Posted on 11/18/2022 3:42:35 PM PST by ebb tide
Bad choice for a post.
Will say nothing further.
Actually, they believe Mary is co-redemptress. Yeah, I know. The made up stuff is damning. And the beat goes on...
In the eyes of Catholics, Protestants, who pointed out the appropriate sins of the Catholic church, are worse off than Jews. Hey you Orthodox people, you are a problem, too!
In the eyes of some TradCaths, yes.
Few Catholics realize that Eastern Orthodoxy, especially as represented by Palamite theology, represents a systematic and comprehensive attack upon Catholic doctrine. Catholic and Orthodox theology are not only in opposition to one another in their understanding of God (theology), but also in the various disciplines of philosophy – in Cosmology, Psychology, Epistemology, Metaphysics, Theodicy, and Ethics. They posit radically different views of God, of man, and of the relationship between God and His creation... Over the past 2,000 years there have been many heresies, schisms, and systems of thought comprehensively opposed to Catholicism. But none has carried the potential threat for corruption of all of Catholic dogma which Eastern Orthodoxy represents. — http://www.waragainstbeing.com/partiii
And there are mutual feelings:
Roman Catholicism, unable to show a continuity of faith and in order to justify new doctrine, erected in the last century, a theory of "doctrinal development." ... On this basis, theories such as the dogmas of "papal infallibility" and "the immaculate conception" of the Virgin Mary (about which we will say more) are justifiably presented to the Faithful as necessary to their salvation. - http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/reading/ortho_cath.html
The Orthodox Church opposes the Roman doctrines of universal papal jurisdiction, papal infallibility, purgatory, and the Immaculate Conception precisely because they are untraditional." - Orthodox apologist and author Clark Carlton: THE WAY: What Every Protestant Should Know About the Orthodox Church, 1997, p 135.
Both purgatory and indulgences are inter-corrolated theories, unwitnessed in the Bible or in the Ancient Church.. — http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7076
Then there are those who attempt to join together all Christian religions into one faith. They would be horrified at the idea of a service with Hindus and Christians celebrating together, yet they do not bat an eyelash at the idea of Orthodox celebrating with Roman Catholics, who with no authority broke off from the Church close to a thousand years ago. — http://www.orthodox.net/articles/against-ecumenism.html►Vladimir Lossky, a noted modern Eastern Orthodox theologian, argues the difference in East and West is due to the Roman Catholic Church's use of pagan metaphysical philosophy (and its outgrowth, scholasticism) rather than the mystical, actual experience of God called theoria, to validate the theological dogmas of Roman Catholic Christianity. For this reason, Lossky argues that the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics have become "different men".[18] Other Eastern Orthodox theologians such as John Romanides[19] and Metropolitan Hierotheos[20][21] say the same
Roman Catholicism teaches, also, that, in the Age to Come, man will, with his intellect and with the assistance of grace, behold the Essence of God. The Orthodox declare that it is impossible to behold God in Himself. Not even divine grace, will give us such power. The saved will see, however, God as the glorified flesh of Christ.
According to Metropolitan Hierotheos that because the Roman Catholic Church uses philosophical speculation rather that an actual experience of God to derive their theology they are lead into the many errors that Orthodox call into question about their theology including the filioque[66]. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox__Roman_Catholic_theological_differences
What Jesus did for all is first and foremost for any Christian believer. Don’t let the variety of denominations get between you and Him. We are to fellowship with other believers and support godly pastors, so you might have to search for the right people to worship and fellowship with.
Jesus First!
Did the author forget about a certain twelve tribes?
Amen
You need to remember that the owner of this site is Christian (not Catholic), and is very generous to allow you to spam your posts here.
Total falsehood.
Indeed, but contrary to so much past papal teaching on submission, TradCaths interpret their Interpreter as being guilty of deviancy in doctrine, and reject aspects of V2 (and actually many of their charges of alteration seem correct). Thus they need not struggle to reconcile such teaching as,
"The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham." (https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html) And John Paul II: "The Church has a high regard for them, convinced that their faith in the transcendent God contributes to building a new human family based on the highest aspirations of the human heart....Today I would like to repeat what I said to young Muslims some years ago in Casablanca: “We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection.” (https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/research_sites/cjl/texts/cjrelations/resources/documents/catholic/johnpaulii/audience_na_catecheses.htm)
<We feel sure that as representatives of Islam, you join in our prayers to the Almighty, that he may grant all African believers the desire for pardon and reconciliation so often commended in the Gospels and in the Qur’an... We gladly recall also those confessors of the Muslim faith who were the first to suffer death, in the year 1848, for refusing to transgress the precepts of their religion.” — Paul VI, address to the Islamic communities of Uganda, August 1, 1969.
“I deliberately address you as brothers: that is certainly what we are, because we are members of the same human family, whose efforts, whether people realize it or not, tend toward God and the truth that comes from him. But we are especially brothers in God, who created us and whom we are trying to reach, in our own ways, through faith, prayer and worship, through the keeping of his law and through submission to his designs...
“Dear Muslims, my brothers: I would like to add that we Christians, just like you, seek the basis and model of mercy in God himself, the God to whom your Book gives the very beautiful name of al-Rahman, while the Bible calls him al-Rahum, the Merciful One.” - John Paul II, address to representatives of Muslims of the Philippines, February 20, 1981
“As Christians and Muslims, we encounter one another in faith in the one God, our Creator and guide, our just and merciful judge. - John Paul II, address to representatives of the Muslims of Belgium, May 19, 1985
We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection...Both of us believe in one God, the only God, - John Paul II , address to the young Muslims of Morocco, August 19, 1985
Christians and Muslims, together with the followers of the Jewish religion, belong to what can be called ‘the tradition of Abraham.’..Our Creator and our final judge desires that we live together. Our God is a God of peace, who desires peace among those who live according to His commandments. Our God is the holy God who desires that those who call upon Him live in ways that are holy and upright. -John Paul II, address to Islamic leaders of Senegal, Dakar, February 22, 1992 -http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/interreligious/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam.cfm
With past papal teaching as,
Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence: "The sacrosanct Roman Church...firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that..not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life but will depart into everlasting fire...unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that..no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” — Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (Seventeenth Ecumenical Council)
However, while Catholics attack Bible Christians for subjecting the veracity of church teaching to ancient church teaching, that of Scripture, they themselves subject the veracity of their modern church teaching to their judgment of what past RC teaching meant. Which also results in much division. Thus so much past papal teaching states:
'the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors," "to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff," "of submitting with docility to their judgment," with "no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed... not only in person, but with letters and other public documents ;" and 'not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority, " for "obedience must not limit itself to matters which touch the faith: its sphere is much more vast: it extends to all matters which the episcopal power embraces," and not set up "some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them," "Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent." (Sources http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3578348/posts?page=14#14)
Eliminating Judaism has always been a hallmark of the left.
Gentiles are branched into the tree that is Judaism, but we aren’t meant to replace them.
He’s usually better than this. Maybe he’s hit the sacramental wine a little hard. I’ll give him a pass (we all err) and maybe we can come out of this for the better.
Oh, I know.. usually it is the other hit & run poster that starts with an “m”.
Once knew a fella came across a bee hive hanging in a tree, so he got a long stick that was barely able to poke it, but he managed to anyway. He was soon swarmed bad, and ran away as fast as he could covering his eyes, ‘cause that’s the first thing bees go for, and ran into a tree. Damn near killed himself, but the bees kept stinging him so he had to get up and run for his life, and after a while the bees stopped chasing him.
Well, he got real mad about all that so in searing pain from all those stings he went back to that hive with a longer pole, knocked it to the ground and started to beat it with his pole. That’s when he found out what a REAL swarm of angry bees can do to you! Wound up in the hospital, blind and fighting for his life.
And he wasn’t near as BATSH!T STUPID as you are!
> Yeaaaaah…that ain’t helping anyone…. <
You beat me to it. Catholics, Protestants, and Jews have many obvious differences. But we also have much in common, enough that we should consider ourselves if not brothers, cousins.
And cousins ought not squabble and insult each other, especially since we have a common enemy (Islam) that wants us all dead.
And here I thought Jesus was the Way, Truth and Life. What was I thinking? /s
We don’t need name calling on a religious thread. A little forgiveness this season would be more dignified.
> This post really bums me out ‘cause I’m Jewish. <
And it should. The original poster is usually better than this. I guess anyone can have an off day.
Anyway, please see my post #34.
Let’s start with John 8:1 and read from there as there are multiple discourses in this chapter.
In part 1, we start with verse 3 wherein He speaks to “the scribes and Pharisees” which leads to the famous “... He who is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone ...”
Next, in Verse 12 He is speaking to Pharisees regarding who He is and who sent Him. Of course, the Pharisees did not believe Him although His followers did.
Now we come to the scriptures referenced in the text from Fr Nix, John 8:33-39 (actually, Jn 8:12-59). Here He is STILL addressing the Pharisees when He speaks of Abraham’s seed. When He speaks of their (the Pharisees’) unworthiness (in verse 39, 40) compared to Abraham’s worthiness (in verse 40-44).
You see, the Jews in scripture often refers to the Pharisees, for, in Christ’s day, the Pharisees were the Jewish Democrats. The Jewish People in general are still the Lord’s People and sacred to Him. Our task is to convert them to Christianity, if we can.
MEGA DITTOS!!
AND ARABS MAY BE OF ABRAHAMIC DECENT BUT ISLAM ABSOLUTELY, CERTAINLY, AND WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, IS NOT OF THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT! THEIR PACT, FROM INCEPTION, IS WITH THE DEVIL!
There may have been a cosmological god that caused the big bang 13+ billion years ago. There may have been a biogenic god that created the first cell several hundred millions of years ago.
Even so, how plausible is it that such a god would care whether humans burned animals on altars to atone for their sins?
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