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1,600 scientists sign letter opposing Trump’s plan to narrow gender definition
The Hill ^ | 11/01/18 | Owen Daugherty

Posted on 11/01/2018 9:56:43 PM PDT by yesthatjallen

More than 1,600 scientists signed a letter denouncing President Trump administration’s plan to narrow the definition of gender to be strictly biological, according to Buzzfeed.

The letter was written in response to a memo reportedly drafted by the Department of Health and Human Services, according to the New York Times.

The memo states that any disputes about a person’s sex would be clarified using genetic testing, which scientists who signed the letter called unscientific and unethical.

“This proposal is fundamentally inconsistent not only with science, but also with ethical practices, human rights, and basic dignity,” the scientists wrote.

Among the signatories are eight Nobel laureates.

The letter emphasizes that both biological sex and gender are on a spectrum and are not clear cut.

“Our best available evidence shows that affirmation of gender identity is paramount to the survival, health, and livelihood of transgender and intersex people,” the letter states.

More than 50 companies signed onto a statement released Wednesday supporting transgender equality.


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To: yesthatjallen
livelihood of transgender and intersex people

One is a choice and the other is a physical abnormality. These are 1600 crackpots, not "scientists".

21 posted on 11/01/2018 10:11:05 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (Every time President Trump calls CNN fake news another hair falls off Brian Stelter's head.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Exactly right! They aren’t scientists and are making a mockery of science.


22 posted on 11/01/2018 10:11:33 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: yesthatjallen
The facts in DNA aren't important.

So much for calling the signers "scientists".

23 posted on 11/01/2018 10:14:54 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: yesthatjallen

My goodness. Well, if they’re scientists, they must not be flipping morons. After all, these are the guys who brought us global cooling, global warming, alar on apples as poison, DDT ban, cyclamates as
Carcinogenic, the effects of eggs and oatmeal on cholesterol, swine flu, bird flu, etc. they’re really really smart, you see, not whores


24 posted on 11/01/2018 10:18:46 PM PDT by j.havenfarm ( 1,500 posts as of 8/10/18. A FReeper since 2000; never shutting up!)
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To: yesthatjallen
1600 of the same scientists who assure us the poles are melting and we are doomed.
25 posted on 11/01/2018 10:19:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

If you go to the linked article, there is another link to the letter with the signatures. A bunch of Ph.D.’s ...including climate, ecology, anthropology, sociology, women’s studies(!); psychology & others. A few funny ones like astronomy...whaaaa? A tiny handful of M.D.’s.

In other words, the usual suspects.


26 posted on 11/01/2018 10:20:35 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: yesthatjallen
I guess it doesn't take much to be called a "scientist" these days. Undoubtedly these cretins went through the typical public school leftist indoctrination, which apparently sunk in. They can dress up their ridiculous statement with all the paradigm-specific terminology, but it still flies in the face of reason.

How is it that for untold generations, people accepted that there were 2 human genders. They met, had children, raised them, and eventually died as a man or a woman. Why only now do we have people deciding their gender based on "what they feel like today" vs. their personal genetics and anatomy? This is just another symptom of the profound sickness of liberalism. It serves to destroy every single norm that ever existed to define society. Now it's gotten down to whether you feel like a boy or a girl today. Tomorrow is another day what you'll feel you are. Surest way to destroy a society, and that's exactly what the libtards are out to do. They haven't figured out what they will do with the chaos that would ensue should they reach their evil goal, but they'll think of something.

27 posted on 11/01/2018 10:21:32 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Trump_the_Evil_Left
Since gender has nothing to do with science, and since science these days has anything to do with science, this is about as indicate of something being true in the real world a pig chirping that cats bark.

What the left means by science is an anonymous collective of persons each of whom's narrative is that zir is a scientists says 'yay!' for the narrative that ... [insert leftist position here]

28 posted on 11/01/2018 10:23:50 PM PDT by tinyowl (A is A)
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To: yesthatjallen

Political scientists....


29 posted on 11/01/2018 10:29:10 PM PDT by PTBAA
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To: yesthatjallen

Probably the same scientists declaring for the third time we only have ten more years to address global warming.


30 posted on 11/01/2018 10:29:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 $215.71 from 50% increase in 1.2183 yrs)
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To: EinNYC
My wife and I in our sixties, asking, "Growing up, did we ever hear people using the word "gender" instead of sex to identify people? No. We don't believe we ever did.

And we've done quite a bit of international travel. Filed for many countries' visas; had to complete many health/quarantine certificates. 'NEVER have we ever seen "What gender are you?" It is always, "What SEX: Male or Female?" That's the case in every country we've visited.

31 posted on 11/01/2018 10:29:29 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: yesthatjallen

What sort of scientists are these? All sorts of people call themselves scientists these days - psychologists and the like are not scientists, however.


32 posted on 11/01/2018 10:33:36 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: yesthatjallen

When did women’s studies make the STEM list? Time to decertify some universities, e.g., UC Mexifornia.


33 posted on 11/01/2018 10:33:45 PM PDT by RideForever
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34 posted on 11/01/2018 10:38:19 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: EinNYC

According to the Congressional Research Service in 2016 there are 6.9 million scientists and engineers in the USA working. that was 4.9% of the total number of people working. I think it might be safe to assume 1600 “scientists” protesting Trump’ transgender polities are not terribly significant. Doesn’t it amount to 0.0238% protestors?It

I think we should go back to 2 sexes and let each person figure out for themselves if Kinsey was correct that 10% of everybody is totally heterosexual, 10% are homosexual with no heterosexual tendencies and 80% are bisexual. Other investigators complicate the numbers by breaking down groups within the three...homosexuals are no longer simply homosexual, now they are transgenders, lesbians, etc. for example.


35 posted on 11/01/2018 10:39:21 PM PDT by Bodega (we are developing less and less common sense...world wide)
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To: yesthatjallen

I ran through the list of signatories. Only about 40% are biologists. Half of them are sociologists, chemists, physicists, anthropologists, or some other non-biological related field. About a fifth are PhD candidates and students.

I saw one who is a chemical engineer and another who is a therapist. So yea, they scraped the barrel.


36 posted on 11/01/2018 10:39:29 PM PDT by Bogey78O (So far so good.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Mental stability is on a spectrum. These so-called scientists are not in its center.


37 posted on 11/01/2018 10:43:28 PM PDT by rfp1234 (I have already previewed this composition.)
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To: yesthatjallen

And all should have their government grants or employment checked. If government employee, fired.


38 posted on 11/01/2018 10:45:42 PM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!y)
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To: yesthatjallen

“Our best available evidence shows that affirmation of gender identity is paramount to the survival, health, and livelihood of transgender and intersex people,”

“I think, therefore I am” has now become “I think I am a man, therefore I am a man.”

Most transgenders today are girls wanting to be men. Ages 16 to 24. An increase of 4,500% in the last ten years. Some liken it to anorexia in it’s social contagion aspect (spread through the media, internet and peers).

It is probably rooted in the mind the same way that anorexia is. There are numerous places that will treat both the mind and body of the anorexic.

Hard to find a therapist that doesn’t just want to put the transgender leaning kid on hormones and then surgery. It is a mind problem - not a body problem.

And it really is - “I think I’m a man” and the clinic will tell them “Oh - you think you are a man? Okay, well then you need to get on hormones, and then after that you can do surgery.”

In one report, something like 240 people that “detransitioned” were interviewed. Something like 60 of them said they were never questioned or given therapy of any kind. Just got the prescription for hormones on the first visit!

It is nuts. The are destroying our kids. (40% of transgenders try to kill themselves after the transition. Some of their stories are so tragic. “I thought it would make me who I really was. Now I realize that I am nothing.”)

And it destroys the families. Which is probably the goal in the first place.


39 posted on 11/01/2018 10:48:20 PM PDT by 21twelve (!)
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To: yesthatjallen

Keep that list of names. It might come in useful someday to know who they are.


40 posted on 11/01/2018 10:56:06 PM PDT by sipow
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