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The Muratorian fragment, dated 170 A.D., affirms 22 out of 27 New Testament books
Wintery Knight ^ | 03/19/2016

Posted on 03/24/2016 5:42:06 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 03/24/2016 5:42:06 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SunkenCiv

*ping of interest*


2 posted on 03/24/2016 5:43:29 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s not a scroll?


3 posted on 03/24/2016 5:44:40 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind
For those interested in New Testament History... This series is worth reading:

The Complete Series: Ten Basic Facts About the NT Canon that Every Christian Should Memorize


4 posted on 03/24/2016 5:45:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I have never heard of this.

Fascinating.


5 posted on 03/24/2016 5:46:02 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: fieldmarshaldj
For those interested in New Testament History... This series is worth reading:

The Complete Series: Ten Basic Facts About the NT Canon that Every Christian Should Memorize


6 posted on 03/24/2016 5:46:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Many thanks for the lost!


7 posted on 03/24/2016 5:49:41 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nice find. Thanks.


8 posted on 03/24/2016 5:52:12 PM PDT by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: BenLurkin

RE: It is not a scroll?

It is a codex — an ancient manuscript text in book form.

The Muratorian fragment is a copy of perhaps the oldest known list of the books of the New Testament.

The fragment, consisting of 85 lines, is a 7th-century Latin manuscript bound in a 7th or 8th century codex from the library of Columban’s monastery at Bobbio; it contains features suggesting it is a translation from a Greek original written about 170 or as late as the 4th century.

Both the degraded condition of the manuscript and the poor Latin in which it was written have made it difficult to translate. The beginning of the fragment is missing, and it ends abruptly.

The fragment consists of all that remains of a section of a list of all the works that were accepted as canonical by the churches known to its anonymous original compiler.


9 posted on 03/24/2016 5:52:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; dragonblustar; ...

ping


10 posted on 03/24/2016 6:02:29 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: SeekAndFind

What kind of material is it written on?


11 posted on 03/24/2016 6:03:33 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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Ancient codexes were typically written on vellum, which is a sheep-skin stretched thin and sewn together. Thus they were extremely expensive.


12 posted on 03/24/2016 6:07:35 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you for this link.


13 posted on 03/24/2016 6:09:48 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: SeekAndFind
Thanks so much for this. Fascinating!

Important line: "And those books were decided on [by the famous synods and councils]because they were in widespread use and respected by everyone."

That's exactly right. It's what we Catholics call the "Sensus fidelium" ... the sense of the Faithful. In this case, the actual practice. The big-T Tradition.

14 posted on 03/24/2016 6:10:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." - Psalm 89:15)
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To: SeekAndFind
"For those interested in New Testament History..."

Hey, thanks for the link!

15 posted on 03/24/2016 6:11:03 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: ConservativeMind

Indeed! In Polycarp’s Letter to the Philipians, Polycarp either quotes from or alludes to all 27 books, including The Revelation of John. Polycarp was martyred in 156 AD.


16 posted on 03/24/2016 6:11:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, it comes from the 7th century, and might be quoting works from 170 to 400. Not sure it represents what it is being claimed to. But most of this is faith, anyways.


17 posted on 03/24/2016 6:11:42 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: WildHighlander57

Lost s/b post :0


18 posted on 03/24/2016 6:12:44 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: SeekAndFind
Paul's letters were considered to be Scripture even prior to that. 2 Peter 3:16

Second Peter has been dated around 66 AD.

Plus if we examine Paul's letters we will find they were circulation prior to this.

1 Thes 5:27 (51 AD) this epistle to be read to all the brethren

Galatians 1:21 (49AD) to the churches in Galatia

Col 4:16 (61 AD) see to it that it is read to the church at Laodicea

The Word was getting around very early in the early church!

Source: Ryrie Study Bible

19 posted on 03/24/2016 6:15:26 PM PDT by ealgeone
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The fragment, consisting of 85 lines, is a 7th-century Latin manuscript bound in a 7th or 8th century codex from the library of Columban’s monastery at Bobbio; it contains features suggesting it is a translation from a Greek original written about 170 or as late as the 4th century.

...

So there is still room for doubt it seems.


20 posted on 03/24/2016 6:21:02 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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