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Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.

But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.

And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.

And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.

That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.

Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.


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To: ansel12

You’re right, it was a bit over the top for me to state declaratively that Romney loves his country.

There are three possibilities: a person either loves the USA, hates the USA or doesn’t really know (understand) or care.

The third type (which is what Romney is if he’s not the first type) can be made to go either way, especially when it helps his cause.

Which way do you think would help Romney’s cause in this political environment?


4,461 posted on 08/16/2012 5:40:11 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: nicmarlo

I’ve posted Scripture already. I won’t be posting it again so you won’t read it, again.
***That scripture you posted had nothing to do with confronting false teaching. I note that you did not answer my questions? The reason is because the answers are obvious and Jesus’s own actions disprove your point.

I’ve already said exactly what you all are doing, and what you’re doing is acting in a manner contrary to Scripture.
***Repetition, the argument of a dullard. Yet you still did not answer my obvious question. The reason why is obvious.

You are divining another’s heart by making statements that they do not belong to Christ, are not saved, are not Christians.
***Same baloney, different post. I’ll post the same question to you: Was Jesus being unChristlike when he confronted the false teachers of His day?

You are not God, you are forbidden to judge (divine) another’s beliefs and standing with God.
***Nonsense. Jesus confronted false teachers, and so do we. A person who lies about God has no standing with God.

When you teach, you are to teach as Christ said, in love and with love, and those Scriptures of how a Christian is to act was also already posted.
***So, when Jesus was calling them “sons of the devil” was that in love? Do you accuse Christ of hatred?

You are destroying your testimony by acting in a manner that is contrary to God’s Word.
***No, it is in direct obedience to God’s word. Jesus confronted false teachers in His day and we are expected to do so in our day. It is you who are acting in a manner contrary to God’s Word by not answering the simple questions before you. Do you accuse Jesus of hypocrisy?


4,462 posted on 08/16/2012 5:41:08 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo
They are proving (and you are proving) that one can be factually accurate, and still be a braying jackass.

1 Corinthians 13:1-3

Your 'heroes' would do well to familiarize themselves with that passage. They would also do well to understand that God is God ... and they are not. You, sir, would do well to refrain from attempted mind reading. You're no good at it.

I have nothing further to say ... your 'heroes' will doubtless have much more to say ... and they will continue to prove me right

4,463 posted on 08/16/2012 5:41:20 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Graybeard58; Williams
'Tis fine...


I know you want to save souls.


Actually; I merely report: they decide.

4,464 posted on 08/16/2012 5:41:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Graybeard58
Ayn Rand is a heroine among some here, Godless atheist that she was.

A blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.

4,465 posted on 08/16/2012 5:42:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: roylene

“One of the most blessed things, is that God can and does use what He needs to accomplish His task.
Sometimes we wish our time line was His time line.
If God chooses to use Ryan for His task He will.
Miracles are always possible, you are correct we need a person to run this country who understands that the founders fell to their knees and dedicated this country to His Will, they knew what they were doing.
The founders understood the magnitude of this dedication.
We need someone who also “gets it”.”

~ ~ ~

Maybe Ryan is the “miracle”, we’ll see. Reminded of
George Washington, a holy man, recall the vision he was
given at Valley Forge? Part of it concerning our nation
and these times and the near future.


4,466 posted on 08/16/2012 5:42:43 PM PDT by stpio
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To: sf4dubya

This is when I stop reading.
***That’s because you’re here to sow discord among conservatives rather than debate honestly.


4,467 posted on 08/16/2012 5:43:18 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Williams
Now I want an answer and I think it’s perfectly reasonable to ask that of Elsie.



4,468 posted on 08/16/2012 5:43:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Yow!

Look at the time!!

Gotta put ‘em up!!!

Back in a bit..................


4,469 posted on 08/16/2012 5:45:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nicmarlo

I’ve already proven it by posting Scriptures which show you are acting against Scripture.
***And I post the question to you that you have never answered: Was Jesus being Christlike when he confronted the false teachers of His day and called them ‘sons of the devil’?

Like the pharisees in Christ’s day, you have hardened your heart to the Truth of the Word.
***Oh, contraire, Pierre. You are the one who ignores the truth, posted to you each time and blithely not answering the question. Either we are doing Christ’s will by confronting false teachers or Christ did something wrong. That’s the dilemma you’re in. Go ahead, accuse Christ of doing something wrong. Oh, now maybe that isn’t the way to go... so go ahead and tell us we’re not doing what He wanted, even though He did it Himself and He’s the Ultimate Example for our behavior. Yup, that’s some dilemma you’re in. And like the pharisees who wouldn’t answer Christ’s question about John’s baptism, you are stuck in your own hard-heartedness and need to snipe at Jesus. You need to tell Him how he should do things better because, OBVIOUSLY, your plan is so much better than His.


4,470 posted on 08/16/2012 5:49:00 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: BlackElk

“My Catholic Faith tells me to be accountable to God for the decisions I make in life, including election decisions. My Catholic Faith does not suggest that I compromise with either of this year’s major party POTUS evils and materially cooperate with militant pro-aborts, and militant cheerleaders for all things rump ranger. Sorry about your faith. I don’t normally argue religion here but you are mischaracterizing Catholicism while you claim to be Catholic. You are effectively claiming that God wants Catholics to support an ahortion-loving, lavender queen supporting excuse for a POTUS candidate. You are thereby scandalizing Catholics. Silence is not an option in the face of scandal.”

~ ~ ~
We are talking about both men.

The scandal is the two choices, you can’t vote for either BHO or Mitt. Both men have legislated, increased abortion and both are pro-sodomy!

Proof it’s the end time, grave sin isn’t even considered sin!!Q!@Q

People, your soul, don’t lose it, cooperating with evil, voting fore either one of them.

What is wrong with writing in a vote?


4,472 posted on 08/16/2012 5:55:20 PM PDT by stpio
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To: ArrogantBustard

factually accurate,
***Then you do not deny the accuracy of the facts. There are some here who are lined up to call you a bigot.

Do you accuse Christ of not having love (as in 1Cor13) when He confronted the false teachers of His day, calling them ‘sons of the devil’? Did He somehow do it reeeealllly nicely, and soft and butter-fly like, and gentle and oh-so-warmheartedly? Or was He more like a Lion of Judah when he confronted these wolves?

I know, I know, I’ll get nothing but crickets from you on the questions because the answer is obvious, and the followup about Christ’s followers doing what Christ did is also obvious. You’re left with no leg to stand on, so you deliver silence. You presume to tell Christ how He should go about His business.


4,473 posted on 08/16/2012 5:56:05 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: reasonisfaith
Which way do you think would help Romney’s cause in this political environment?

Romney's cause is to serve his religion, and that is the role that the United States plays in his cause, America's value to Mitt Romney is based on it's usefulness to Mormonism.

Romney has no interests outside of Mormonism, that is why although he is a career politician, no one knows what his politics are, what his political interests are, or why he has spent 20 years running for office.

4,474 posted on 08/16/2012 5:56:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: sf4dubya

I’m doing it fine, thanks for asking. Will you be answering any of my questions any time soon?


4,475 posted on 08/16/2012 5:57:33 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: sf4dubya
Got along without ya before I met ya. Gonna get along without ya now.

Mittler is part of a political army of moral cowards and monsters responsible for 55 million innocents slaughtered by surgical abortions alone to date in our country alone. As a self-described pro-lifer, you would know that. Yet you persist in the fiction that this second generation GOP-E pro-abort POS is somehow a pro-lifer.

4,476 posted on 08/16/2012 5:59:49 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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To: stpio

Maybe Ryan is the “miracle”, we’ll see.
***How does that go? “Vote for Ryan because he’ll be just a heartbeat away from the presidency, and God can take care of that.” Not a very clean plan.


4,477 posted on 08/16/2012 6:00:12 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: sf4dubya

I know enough to know that the Jews are the apple of God’s eye and I wont harm any of them...

That if I bless the children of Abraham I will be blessed..

What else is there for a Gentile to know ???


4,478 posted on 08/16/2012 6:04:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: sf4dubya

BTW thats through Isaac the son of the free woman..

not through Ishmael the son of the bond woman...


4,479 posted on 08/16/2012 6:06:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: nicmarlo

The reason that the Pharisees couldn’t answer Christ’s questions was their hearts were not after God, and Jesus knew it. The Pharisees probably knew it as well, deep in their hearts.

And the same reason you and others cannot answer the dilemma is because your heart is not after God, just like the pharisees.

Oh, and wouldn’t it be precious if you responded to this post rather than the others so that you wouldn’t have to address the dilemma in the first place? It would be primary evidence towards what I have said.


4,480 posted on 08/16/2012 6:07:49 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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