'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms

Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

[goodseedhomeschool]

I suspected that but I was not sure.

[rwfromkansas]

I will gladly bring the "superstitous tripe" into the classroom when I begin teaching students.

[ApesForEvolution]

LOL!

[Derrald]

did not cite that anywhere in my post. Said you were trying to intimidate with the fear of god's wrath and hell. You distorted this into the idea that I fear hell, by trying to ask a seemingly innocuous question, hoping I would say yes, then saying that evolution does not back up the existence of hell.

Unfortunately, your tactic of distorting what someone says and trying to make a trap for them has failed. I do not fear hell, I only find it frustrating that when your creationist/intelligentdesign/whatevercodenameyoucameupwiththisweekforyourostrichheadapproach argument fails, you can only resort to "Fear the wrath of god and an eternity in hell!" while at the same time subscribing to the people who have always placed as the cornerstone of their arguments that evolutionists use intimidation.

sidebar: if one says 2+2 is 7, and a 4-year old says 2+2 is 4, doo-doo-head, one must not get into "He called me a name!" It doesn't make one any more right.

[ApesForEvolution]

It's no wonder that our nation started sliding when they set up government schooling and showed God the door...

[mathluv]

bookmark for later

[T Ruth]

The grand canyon was created by a Scotsman, who one day lost a golf ball down a gopher hole.

[goodseedhomeschool]

I went to an elite private Christian school yet I still was taught evolution in the 70's even there. I was awakened 8 years ago and I thank God every day for it. I have studied this for so long now. It really angers me that we were sold this lie for so long. I pray it will not happen to future generations.

[PianoMan]

As my old professor told me, "Now that you're embarking upon a career in science, you'll find that facts are very rare and very hard to find."

The biggest knowledge gap I've sensed on these threads is clearly that of philosophy of science. People who seem to properly understand the role of theories, facts, evidence, observations, etc. seem entirely to support the idea of evolution through natural selection.

They don't claim it's perfect or disproves the existence of God, just that it's the best explanation we've got going for the historical record of life.

On the other side there seems to be a lot of misuse of the ideas of theory vs. fact, a lot of almost post-modern sentiments like "well you have your theory and I have mine", and the occasional "you're going to hell!"

[gore3000]

At issue, rather, is whether ID theory, so far unproven by scientific facts

At issue is whether evolution is proven by scientific facts. In fact we can go even further and ask whether evolution is even a theory. No two people will state it the same way. If one goes to the craddle of evolutionist misinformation - TalkOrigins - one will see some 20 different statements of what evolution is.

IT CANNOT BE SCIENCE IF IT IS NOT EVEN A DEFINED THEORY

[Quix]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

SO, your favorite THEORY

is threatened

by another 'THEORY???'

Poor baby.

Perhaps, if the first theory is so shakey as to be threatened by another 'mere theory' from your perspective

. . . then the first THEORY may not be all it's

CRACKED up to be!

[goodseedhomeschool]

Hooray :)

[BenLurkin]

Yes, how gravity works is a theory. We seem to be in agreement on this.

Evolution is also just a theory. That being the case, it is appropriate that the school board wants children to understand that evolution is only a theory.

[AntiGuv]

There's a stark distinction between scientific theory (evolution) and mythological fantasy (intelligent design); scientists would be well-served to remember that distinction. At the very least, in order to displace the centrality of evolution, one requires a competing theory, rather than one preferred fantasy out of a myriad of fantasies..

[ApesForEvolution]

Blessings back atcha!

Praise the name of the Lord God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth!

Whose name is above ALL other names and whose name alone shall men be saved by!

(Had a stirring in my spirit)

[paulsy]

"on the same platter with the well-supported theory of evolution"

What "support"?

[goodseedhomeschool]

:) Amen

[Jorge]

Did you even read my post?

Yes I did. I found it to be an excellent argument for ID.

[Quix]

ID theory, so far unproven by scientific facts, should be served to students on the same platter with the well-supported theory of evolution.

I'd charatibly hope you were kidding if I didn't know better.

"unproven by scientific facts" vs "well-supported theory of evolution."

HOGWASH.

CALLING A POLITICAL POWER BLOCK's winnings in the political and media arena

"well-supported theory"

has got to be a new winning grand example of Billdo-Slick-Zipper-and-Shrillery-Hellery-SPEAK.

You are merely one of plenty of priests in the religion of evolution. Pretending your religion is scientific is about as honest and honorable as pretending it's contentions are "proven" by the "evidence."

But hey, delusions are in vogue from Billdo and Shrillery's White House on down. Enjoy yours while you can--it's days are very numbered.

. . . every knee shall bow, every tongue confess . . .

THAT you can bank on.

[AntiGuv]

I have neither the patience nor the motivation to provide anyone with several years worth of education. Feel free to conduct your own research; perhaps you could initiate the quest here.