May I humbly offer a better solution?
Posted on 08/21/2004 11:16:36 AM PDT by jerrydavenport
the west, blinded by it's islamic cadres has lost many opportunities in the past.
1- In 1998, Iran almost got sucked into a war with the taliban over the killing of iranian diplomats.The west again didn't capitalize on that. This war would have sucked iran into a guerilla war that would have eventually burried the iranian hardliners and destroyed the taliban . This would also have pitted hizbollah and al qaeda against each other and literally routed the entire islamic camp with it. This war would have also dragged Pakistan into the conflict as Pakistan was the backer of the taliban and iran that of the northern alliance.
This war had the potential to destroy the entire terror camp.
2- Since the 90's, india has many times lost patience with Pakistani terror and decided to go to war to wipe Pakistani terror camps and nuclear potential out, but instead of encouraging India to do so, western efforts focused on preventing India from doing so
if the west had a non islamist resource within the region, this war would have taken place, but instead the islamist resource was busy quickly patching things up between the hostile islamic camps.
The west needs to replace its islamic resource with western linguists and western, latino and africans to dominate teams composed of muslims to prevent the muslims from commandeering the teams with their agenda.
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As I said -- they ARE a primitive people, but with no real intention of conquering other folks -- just to make moeny to go back to their mountains and clans.
The problem with pathans is that they always try to conquer other people. They supressed and butchered the tajiks and other minorities in afghanistan.
they were behind the kashmiri insurgency in india and most of the al qaeda, jamiati islami and other islamic terror in pakistan. they made the taliban ranks 100%.
You'd also find pathan fanatics as far away as chechenya, bosnia, albania, europe and the US itself.
THE PAKHTOONS ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ETHNICITY COMPRISING BOTH THE MILITANT WAHHABIS AND SHIITES.
YOU RUN INTO A MILITANT WAHHABI IN THE AFGHANISTAN-PAKISTAN REGION, 90% CHANCES ARE HE'D BE A PAKHTOON. yOU RUN INTO A MILITANT SUNNI OR SHIITE IN THE REGION, HE AGAIN IS LIKELY TO BE A PAKHTOON.
if i were to carve the region up, i'd do it in the following manner.
1- For pakistan, I would first of all declare secular sind and baluchistan as independent countries.
This would rob Pakistan of all the mineral wealth and all it's sea ports.
I would then use these two independent states to isolate and squeeze the militant pakhtoon and punjabi areas for a few decades, much like libya to destroy their militant and fanatical sentiment.
this should be followed by a deporation of militant pakhtoon and other fanatic populations from moderate islamic states.
2- For iran, i would again proceed with an azeri and baluchi cession first. this would rob iran of around a fourth of its population and give us control over iranian sea traffic passing through hormuz.
This could be followed by merging of areas of iran into turkmenistan, afghanistan etc. the persians only make up 51% of the iranian population, the rest could be incorporated into other states along ethnic lines.
3- saudi arabia similarly should be carved into small states the size of qatar. saud had to unite various tribes to create saudi arabia, it can be broken up into small states the same way.
These three countries are the source of all islamic terror, political and WMD efforts.
A break up like that of former yugoslavia, would replace the islamic sentiment with a strong ethnic sentiment and rob these countries of the resources to destabilize the world.
4- whatever the divisions care should be taken not to create any states that might emphasize islamic sentiment.
5- However before we proceed with any of this, The WMD might of both iran and pakistan needs to be addressed.
india could address pakistan, while israel could address the iranian threat.
The US could then buffer israel and India from possible international repercussions.
6- Since this break up would take a while to materialize, i suggest we use the threat of this break up to force pakistan, saudi arabia and iran to crackdown on and destroy the terror they created over the years, shut down all religious schools, outlaw parties like jamiati islami or else we would break them up into small insignificant states.
since pakistan and saudi arabia created al qaeda and wahhabi terror and political movements, they'd be the most effective agents of destroying these movements. Similarly since iran created hizbollah and all shiite terror and political movement, iran would be the most effective agent for destroying all shiite terror and political movement.
we need to threaten these countries with their break up, unless they destroy the terror and political movements that they created.
7- All of this should be accompanied by a clean up within western intelligence of islamist influence, to jettison all islamist elements, to create a new cadre of western linguists and a new cadre made of western, latino and african operatives to lead teams that would use muslims only as guides. It might also be a good idea to do away with islamic intermediaries and for western operators
to run all islamic moles directly to prevent them from forming an islamic lobby.
ghaffar khan's movement consisted of a very few people, while pakhtoon fanaticism was rampant even back then.
You'd find that back in 1948, during the heydey's of ghaffar khan, kashmir was invaded by savage pakhtoon hordes. these savages are at the source of not only all recent terror in the region but also responsible for the kashmir problem.
besides if you take some time and read ancient indian history, you'd see that pakhtoons and looted and plundered india for as long as history can remember. I think the first barbarian's name was ghazni or suri or something. I read about it in some publication from the british-india library or something
I thought a pahktoon was a brass big rimmed bowl on the floor in a saloon, usually containing expected tobacco juice.
We deal with terrorists the way "Black Jack" Pershing did:
capture 'X' number of terrorists and tie them to wooden stakes.
Drag out some pigs, slaughter the pigs in front of the terrorists.
Dip our bullets in pig blood.
Execute 'Y' number of terrorists leaving one alive.
Bury the terrorist's corpses in with the slaughtered pigs.
Release the single survivor back into teh wild with the message that we'll defile them with pigs again and again, as often as it takes.
Simple, no frills, and cost effective.
No converting is needed, just raw fear.
There would be an outcry to stop defiling the pigs with muslim blood, what a waste of baby back ribs...(barbeque sauce)
Oh, baby back ribs.
Forgot about those.
IN southern Pakistan, there's an old saying that all sorrow comes from Kandahar, traditionally a place where brigands would come raid the fertile lands of the Southern Indus valley.
Mahmud of Ghazni is the bloke you were referring to.
Though, I would say that a good part of the Punjabis of Pakistan are now adherents of the Jihad.
Very few remember that in Nov 1979, a mob fired up by the Jamaat Islami destroyed and burned the US Embassy in Islamabad, shortly after the Teheran Embassy had been occupied.
Somehow Paki troops and police, despite being the nation's capital, never made it in time to rescue the embassy - they got there after nightfall, 8+ hours later!! There was one US Marine fatality, Stephen Crowley, shot by a mob, but the other marines were refused permission to fire back by the diplos.
But the incident was papered over in the name of geopolitics.
Jamaat Islami, Maudidi's group was responsible.
This group is now the target of a crackdown by Mushie. Perhaps it won't even be a revolving door this time.
I hope he extends his crackdown to all tableeghis or islamic preachers.
These people might be the communication channels for al qaeda, since they travel all over the world to preach.
In the end, the islamic world has to broken up just like the communist world and the ottoman empire before it to destroy their global aspirations.
Works for me!
I just love the way the colors light up the dark sky, don't you...
I like the high altitude airburst ones.
But those images are hard to find.
Just like Jimmah Carter vs the rabbit.
Well we want to address a problem, we aren't exactly looking for kicks or death and destruction.
We want to address the problem to avoid death and destruction in the first place.
Any solution should be do it as peacefully as possible.
take their WMD facilities out to minimize loss of life.
Then encourage the ethnicities to opt for cession, much like czechoslovakia
We need to take their offensive capabilties out, including their global aspirations with their break, rob them of the resources and then contain them with sanctions.
For kicks, you are better off with your PS2 or whatever.
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