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Einstein vs Bergson, Science vs Philosophy and the Meaning of Time
ABC.net.au/ ^ | June 24, 2015 | Joe Gelonsi

Posted on 06/28/2015 3:47:07 AM PDT by lbryce

When Henri met Albert the stars didn’t quite align; nor did their clocks. Jimena Canales, historian of science, tells Joe Gelonesi about her discovery of an explosive 20th century debate that changed our view of time and destroyed a reputation.

Physicists and philosophers have a curious relationship. They both need each other for the cosmic dance, but one partner sometimes refuses to join in. Star physicist Stephen Hawking even declared the end of philosophy in 2011.

In some ways the pronouncement was to be expected; physics triumphalism dictates that at some point philosophy will exhaust itself and be unable to solve the mysteries that science seems to conquer in leaps. It’s been coming for a while; at least since the word science replaced natural philosophy a few centuries ago.

Along this narrative are high points of confrontation, played out by grand actors on the intellectual stage. Jimena Canales has rediscovered one such moment, which pitted a grandee of philosophy against a rising star of physics.

(Excerpt) Read more at abc.net.au ...


TOPICS: History; Science
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To: super7man

Too much of higher physics is a kludge based on mathematical modeling and not enough evidence backed reasoning. For almost 100 years mathematical papering-over of the holes in our limited comprehension of experimental facts has resulted in warring factions defending dogma.

Disagreement with the official tenants of a scientific religion, results in attack by a bureaucratic version of Torquemada’s Inquisitors to enforce silence. Inability to access peer review and publish contrary findings, the sabotage of funding resources, manipulation of the patent office for retraction after issue and publication, all to protect a fiefdom’s access to the trough.

Overwhelming public evidence will be necessary to overturn the official narratives, exposing “scientific consensus” as self serving. The beating heart of science has always been to “question” not to “go along to get along”.


21 posted on 06/28/2015 9:41:55 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Ozark Tom

The success of quantum mechanics in making correct predictions is 100%.

100% correct in all predicted outcomes of all experiments for over a century.

Not sure how you can have a better track record than that.


22 posted on 06/28/2015 10:38:41 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: MHGinTN

Isaiah left out a lot of the parameters characterizing the precise details of cosmological expansion. I don’t see a conflict between scripture and observations (aka, ‘science’). God is a subtle artisan, He made an intriguing world, a delightful universe, full of mysteries and wonders for us to discover.


23 posted on 06/28/2015 10:41:33 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Men need a reason to shop. Women need a place.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

As God has stretched out the Heavens, what is accumulating the potential energy caused in this stretching?


24 posted on 06/28/2015 10:45:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: lbryce

Wholeheartedly agree!! Worked with fisikers all my engineering career. One such knucklehead wanted the IRIG generator time to be changed to match the time on his wrist watch.


25 posted on 06/28/2015 10:47:13 AM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Ozark Tom

I think you mistake accounts in the popular press for the work of physicists, most of whom are too busy to explain their work to people who don’t have the patience to understand it.

You use a GPS receiver, I am sure. It’s operation depends on postulates from quantum mechanics (atomic clocks) and general relativity (time dilation). Responsible physicists are aware of the inconsistencies in modern physics, the remaining challenges, and limits of their knowledge.


26 posted on 06/28/2015 10:49:44 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Men need a reason to shop. Women need a place.)
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To: MHGinTN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy#Cosmology

The role of entropy in cosmology remains a controversial subject since the time of Ludwig Boltzmann. Recent work has cast some doubt on the heat death hypothesis and the applicability of any simple thermodynamic model to the universe in general. Although entropy does increase in the model of an expanding universe, the maximum possible entropy rises much more rapidly, moving the universe further from the heat death with time, not closer.[69] [70] [71] This results in an “entropy gap” pushing the system further away from the posited heat death equilibrium.[72] Other complicating factors, such as the energy density of the vacuum and macroscopic quantum effects, are difficult to reconcile with thermodynamical models, making any predictions of large-scale thermodynamics extremely difficult.[73]


27 posted on 06/28/2015 11:28:33 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Men need a reason to shop. Women need a place.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Recent developments in Physics indicate that the zero point field is increasing in energy, at an exponential rate with the increasing expansion of the Universe of spacetime. The latest calculations I've seen put the potential energy in a cubic meter of spacetime at 1063 joules, IIRC. Virtual particles jump in and out of 4D existence due to this potential energy stored in the zero point field. Also, there are now peer reviewed papers attributing the existence of inertia and therefore gravity to the zero point field 'resistance' to particle motion. The speed of a photon (speed of light) is slowing down as the zero point energy increases.
28 posted on 06/28/2015 11:35:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
The speed of a photon (speed of light) is slowing down as the zero point energy increases.

Oh, great. Does that mean we have to go out and buy new rulers. Do we have to metric?

29 posted on 06/28/2015 11:39:54 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Men need a reason to shop. Women need a place.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
LOL, I ain't doin' it no matter what they say. I gave away my slide rules thinking electronic calculators were more efficient ... then the batteries failed and the power to the building went off.

Seriously, are you familiar with the work of Haisch, Rueda, and Puthoff?

30 posted on 06/28/2015 11:43:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
Seriously, are you familiar with the work of Haisch, Rueda, and Puthoff?

No, I am not.

31 posted on 06/28/2015 11:58:05 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Men need a reason to shop. Women need a place.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
[[ Quantum Vacuum and Inertial Reaction Force in Nonrelativistic QED
Hiroki Sunahata, Alfonso Rueda, Bernard Haisch
(Submitted on 4 Jun 2013)Quantum Vacuum and Inertial Reaction Force in Nonrelativistic QED Hiroki Sunahata, Alfonso Rueda, Bernard Haisch (Submitted on 4 Jun 2013) The possible connection between the electromagnetic zero-point field (ZPF) and the inertia reaction force was first pointed out by Haisch, Rueda, and Puthoff (Phys. Rev. A, 49, 678, 1994), and then by Rueda and Haisch following a totally different and more satisfactory approach (Found. Phys., 28, 1057, 1998; Phys. Letters A, 240, 115, 1998; Annalen der Physik, 10 (5), 393, 2001). In the present paper, the approach taken by Rueda and Haisch will be followed, but the analysis will be done within a formulation that uses nonrelativistic quantum electrodynamics with the creation and annihilation operators rather than the approach of Rueda and Haisch using stochastic electrodynamics. We analyze the interaction between the zero-point field and an object under hyperbolic motion (constant proper acceleration), and find that there arises a reaction force which is proportional in magnitude, and opposite in direction, to the acceleration. This is suggestive of what we know as inertia. We also point out that the equivalence principle -- that inertial mass and gravitational mass have the same values -- follows naturally using this approach. Inertial mass and gravitational mass are not merely equal, they are the identical thing viewed from two complementary perspectives (Annalen der Physik, 14 (8), 479, 2005). In the first case an object accelerating through the electromagnetic zero-point field experiences resistance from the field. In the case of an object held fixed in a gravitational field, the electromagnetic zero-point field propagates on curved geodesics, in effect accelerating with respect to the fixed object, thereby generating weight. Hence, the equivalence principle does not need to be independently postulated.

The possible connection between the electromagnetic zero-point field (ZPF) and the inertia reaction force was first pointed out by Haisch, Rueda, and Puthoff (Phys. Rev. A, 49, 678, 1994), and then by Rueda and Haisch following a totally different and more satisfactory approach (Found. Phys., 28, 1057, 1998; Phys. Letters A, 240, 115, 1998; Annalen der Physik, 10 (5), 393, 2001). In the present paper, the approach taken by Rueda and Haisch will be followed, but the analysis will be done within a formulation that uses nonrelativistic quantum electrodynamics with the creation and annihilation operators rather than the approach of Rueda and Haisch using stochastic electrodynamics. We analyze the interaction between the zero-point field and an object under hyperbolic motion (constant proper acceleration), and find that there arises a reaction force which is proportional in magnitude, and opposite in direction, to the acceleration. This is suggestive of what we know as inertia. We also point out that the equivalence principle -- that inertial mass and gravitational mass have the same values -- follows naturally using this approach. Inertial mass and gravitational mass are not merely equal, they are the identical thing viewed from two complementary perspectives (Annalen der Physik, 14 (8), 479, 2005). In the first case an object accelerating through the electromagnetic zero-point field experiences resistance from the field. In the case of an object held fixed in a gravitational field, the electromagnetic zero-point field propagates on curved geodesics, in effect accelerating with respect to the fixed object, thereby generating weight. Hence, the equivalence principle does not need to be independently postulated. ]]http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6036

The papers written attempting to dismiss the concept are as interesting to read as the original documents and the calculations therein.

32 posted on 06/28/2015 12:31:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: samtheman

Not everyone declares fealty. Quantum theory is not the only facet of contention; but, for your amusement:

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/the-new-quantum-reality/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-_IRbu1gAo

http://resonance.is/news/quantum-weirdness-replaced-by-classical-fluid-dynamics/

http://math.mit.edu/~bush/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Bush-AnnRev2015.pdf

http://math.mit.edu/~bush/?page_id=484


33 posted on 06/28/2015 12:48:19 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: lbryce
Some supporters went as far as to say that Bergson’s earlier work anticipated the quantum revolution of Niels Bohr and Werner Heisenberg by four decades or more.

Heisenberg was stopped for doing 85 in a 45mph zone. The sheriff shouted “Do you know how fast you were going?” Heisenberg replied, “No, but I know where I am.”

34 posted on 06/28/2015 6:44:39 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive
>> “No, but I know where I am was.” <<

(Fixed that . . .)

35 posted on 06/28/2015 8:48:21 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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