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The Hobbit Hole XXXVIII - There and Back Again!

Posted on 09/23/2009 6:19:16 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog

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To: 300winmag

None at all IMHO aside from the argument regarding supported a d unsupported and the fact I wanted a Glock 35 in 357 Sig. For me that was the lone factor, supported or not I just wanted that specific pistola in 357 Sig.....:o)

I like the round, it’s a common caliber carried by the folks I work and recreate with and for a everyday carry rig, combat Tupperware is a primary choice for me....

Stay safe !


3,951 posted on 01/19/2013 9:39:29 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos
None at all IMHO aside from the argument regarding supported a d unsupported and the fact I wanted a Glock 35 in 357 Sig.

Thanks for the info, I'm glad there are no mechanical issues. The Bar-Sto barrel on my Glock 21 also cut my group size by about 25% with no effort on my part. Not that it's anything to brag about, even now. The SiG P220 is still my best shooter in .45ACP.

And I have a couple of handguns that shoot .357SiG, even though the factory never made one. I've been told that due to the much higher chamber pressures for the .357SiG, it's better to buy one in .357 right from the factory. Adding a .40S&W barrel later becomes an even bigger piece of cake.

3,952 posted on 01/19/2013 10:12:14 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

Concur on the P-220 .... I agree as to its accuracy and reliability. Carried one as aDeputy and my primary concealed carry for a long time. I have a new Mk 25 Sig on order ..... Should be here next week according to my local papered gunrunner . Snagged a case of 147 gr Speer GDHP for it last week so will hopefully be at the range next weekend putting that through its paces..... Nite !


3,953 posted on 01/19/2013 10:21:54 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos
Just a bit of wrap-up for Saturday's National Firearms Appreciation Day. Here's a few more shots of my FNX-45, showing the deluxe packaging they made up for it.

They thought about almost everything, including a longer pocket for the chicom gun safety cable, which I think will be perfect for the suppressor, if I ever get one.

A place for everything, and everything in its place. Now to find a place that has spare magazines.

3,954 posted on 01/20/2013 1:49:00 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

That is a very nice rig .... Looks like a smaller replacement for the Mk 23 Hk suppressed syste. Very nice.


3,955 posted on 01/20/2013 4:46:11 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman; Lost Dutchman; Squantos; Corin Stormhands; JenB; TalonDJ; ExGeeEye; ...
Doing my part to let the good feelings of National Firearms Appreciation Day last longer, I found this cutie calling my name today. A Smith&Wesson 352-1, seven shots of .22WMR, scanium and stainless steel, with a total empty weight of 11 ounces.

The fancy wood grips were left over from my S&W Model 60 upgrade project, and make this little .22 look more like a "grown-up" firearm. I have to admit that I'm a sucker for .22 and .45 caliber handguns, whether high-tech or traditional. This cutie would be perfectly understood 125 years ago, although the materials used would baffle scientists, much less ordinary shooters and gunsmiths. It's main duty will be to take care of four-legged vermin that are experienced in modern suburbs. As long as that cougar has moved on to better hunting grounds. :)

3,956 posted on 01/21/2013 1:44:24 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag
Local radio interviewed a pro-gun individual this morning (I was on my way home from work, and about half there-- not really listening). I'm pretty sure he said the purchase permit requirement is over. Later I looked up HB 5225 and found it is now law. It is written in legalese-- another thing we otta fix after the revolu restoration-- and I wonder whether you have experienced the practical application of it.

I have foregone buying handguns because I refuse to ask permission of the State to do so. Also, we have talked previously about how I own some things out of state and would have to get pewrmission to bring them home, and would rather leave them on free soil then go hat in hand to the masters.

3,957 posted on 01/21/2013 2:07:01 PM PST by ExGeeEye (I'll give y'all 90 days for the wounds to heal; then we start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: 300winmag

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/su-16a/

Run, or run away?


3,958 posted on 01/21/2013 2:30:19 PM PST by ExGeeEye (I'll give y'all 90 days for the wounds to heal; then we start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: 300winmag

Win Mag nice revolver, .22 mag is an underrated cartridge. Well done. btw 11 oz. That’s a lite one all right.


3,959 posted on 01/21/2013 3:24:16 PM PST by osagebowman
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To: ExGeeEye
Run, or run away?

I have not much experience with Kel-tec, but they seem okay. Normally I'd say stroll towards it. In today's world, run!

Word from my local dealer about the change in Michigan handguns laws is that it all depends on what local politicians feel about it. The law was substantially changed because the current NICS check, paid through our federal taxes, works better than the past pathetic Michigan systems, and is free, saving money and people at the state and local level from mindless paper shuffling.

The original bill also had the provision of eliminating the state paper purchase permit, which has never solved a single crime with a registered handgun in the 80-some years of existence. That portion was dropped at the insistence of liberals and police executives, but I repeat myself. But the initial begging process for the first-time purchase permit is gone, as is getting a piece of paper before you purchase subsequent handguns.

The "trash all the state police paperwork in Lansing" portion became a separate bill, which was strongly opposed by the liberal establishment and RINOs, too. As one local rag put it, "$50 million per year spent on the state police paper licensing is a small price to pay for the feeling of safety it produces." So that still exists, but also includes modifications in present procedures.

If you've never bought a handgun in Michigan before, just go to your FFL dealer and buy one just like you would a long gun. If NICS approves, the dealer fills out a paper 4473 (the fed's big hammer) and a state paper registration for the handgun. Drop off the state/county copies with your local police within 10 days, keep the pink copy with your handgun for 30 days (to allow for the $50million/year Michigan paper system to work), and you're done. Where I live, I don't even have to hand the physical paper over to the record clerks. They now have a clear plastic lock box next to the police desk in the lobby, manned 24/7. I just take one of their little envelopes, provided for anybody who desires a bit of privacy, put the 3x5-sized forms inside, and drop in the slot.

Before I got my CHL, I'd go to the records office to get a purchase form. They'd run a NICS or NCIC check themselves before giving me the paper, even though the dealer would do the same thing again. Michigan law forbids local agencies from charging for any of this, but most are so desperate for money that they tell you "we don't care, pay us $20 for notarizing this, or no permit". Dealers almost always have free notarization on site. Doing all of the purchase paperwork with the dealer saves one stop at the local records department, and a $20 illegal bite out your wallet.

Private purchase of a registered handgun would require you to get the sales permit first from police department. That usually means the $20 illegal fee, although in the good old days, if they were feeling generous they'd let you get the final results notarized however you wanted. After that, turn in the final paperwork as usual. They did away with the sham "safety inspection" years ago, where you brought your handgun AND the paperwork back for the police blessing.

The police would be happy to register your out-of-state handguns for the same reason, and the same $20 a pop. But to be brutally honest, unless it's a factor in a larger criminal infraction, possession (NOT concealed carry) of an unregistered handgun is a misdemeanor at most, and prosecution would cost more than the fine would recoup if they went to a full court press, and the court clerk agreed to reserve valuable court time. 99% of the time, if you're stopped, the cop will advise you to please register it, but that's all he can do, assuming he's ambitious enough to do even that.

Sorry to ramble so long, but that's life under current Michigan law. Prior to this, Michigan was one of the "easiest" of the restrictive states. Now it's probably the "hardest" of the "easy" states.

3,960 posted on 01/21/2013 7:48:14 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag
Well, there's some good news in all of that. Just might go to the Feb. 2 gun show after all, crowds or no.
3,961 posted on 01/21/2013 11:37:48 PM PST by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman; Lost Dutchman; Squantos; Corin Stormhands; JenB; TalonDJ; ExGeeEye; ...
Tonight's Saturday Night Gun Pron gives me a chance to catch up on a big list of projects I had "on hold", mostly waiting for parts to arrive, of enough spare time to make it to the range.

A couple of $1 funky metric screws finally arrived, allowing my to complete my American AKM project with the proper Bulgarian side-folding stock.

The stock is both well-designed, and crude in construction. I disassembled it, and ground and polished the bearing surfaced in the hinge assembly so it opens and closes smoothly, but still has that "snap" to it when it locks in either position. A generous rubber bumper in the top loop of the "buttplate" keeps everything solidly locked in the closed position, with no wiggle, rattles, or steel-on-steel contact.

The only thing really modern on this carbine is the PWS muzzle attachment. The original sov-bloc slant-cut attachment was worse than useless, in that it increased noise, muzzle blast, and recoil. Of course, the sights are as miserable as ever, but I suspect the intended users of this style of weapon never learned how to aim, anyway.

I finally had a chance to run a few magazines through the stainless steel CZ75B. That almost didn't happen because I managed to pack up everything I needed, except the magazines. A dozen mags at home, and not one with me at the range. :)

Fortunately, they found another stash of MecGar magazines for the CZ75B, so I was able to buy one on the spot. This was the first rounds I fired from the gun, and it's not too shabby, especially for me. :)

I may have to set aside the classy Hogue aluminum grips, and get some plain ol' rubber ones. The polished stainless steel is just too slippery for me to get a firm enough grip to operate the slide without major effort. The stickier rubber grips should allow me to push the frame forward with my right hand, while pulling the slide back with my left. A minor quibble for what is turning out to be the best-shooting 9mm out-of-the-box that I've ever owned.

3,962 posted on 01/27/2013 2:12:58 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag
You say that slant muzzle brake is worthless? I swapped one of these on a buddy's rifle yesterday and it was LOOSE. In fact, it was loose enough that we wondered if bullets were actually striking it upon exiting the bore. I swapped it with a brake made by TAPCO that looks nearly identical to the birdcage brake on several of the ARs here. Actually, he bought two brakes... both made by TAPCO. One looked like the birdcage brake, except slightly less in diameter with narrower cuts. I put that one on his daughter's rifle. We're going to shoot them today. One needs to be zeroed, and the other we're interested in seeing IF the old brake actually got in the way. :-) Did he do well by buying the TAPCO parts? I appreciate your opinion buddy. :-)
3,963 posted on 01/27/2013 4:36:11 AM PST by hiredhand
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To: 300winmag

Awesome looking Ak variant 300 ....well done. May I suggest one thing to consider doing IF you did some extensive grinding and polishing of that bearing surface. Case harden it again .

http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/metal-prep-coloring/color-case-hardening/surface-hardening-compound-prod27119.aspx

When I hone, grind, get too deep in bearing surfaces I have found it extends the life of the work.

My favorite Ak clone is a MAK 90 (type 56S Chinese, marketed by Norinco) I bought in the late 80’s and it sat idle in the Gunsafe for decades aside from some initial plinking to test it’s function and reliability. It has the under foldider stock and works well. A buddy at work is ate up with the sino soviet / Warsaw Pact rifles. He has real versions properly stamped and papered under NFA etc ...

His collection and knowledge is impressive, second only to his ability to build them from the ground up from individual parts. Recently I acquired a machined receiver that is very well made. He is helping me assemble and properly ensure each historical detail. My primary decision in the next few months will be to stamp it as a SBR and build an AKSu 39 side folder. All good fun during the winter months or hot days in the summer when I hide indoors under the air conditioner.

My goal is to take my time, remove all the machine tooling marks, hone, clean inside and out and build a perfect firearm.

My primary likes these days are old rolling blocks, high walls, Krag carbines and anything Winchester .

Long ago tangs on Winchester lever guns would break when carried in the scabbard and old paint would roll on the ground with the saddle and scabbard still on. I have three such samples of damaged rifles I am repairing and making into shooters versus collectors. One is a 1892 take down, second is a 4 digit serial number 1894 and third is a 1873. All three are / were 44-40 aka 44WCF.

Those projects should fill my casual time for a few years. ....:o)

Stay Safe Sir !


3,964 posted on 01/27/2013 4:56:15 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: 300winmag

Morning Win-Mag - whoa that’s a nice group. Love them CZs. Rented a couple of them a few years back. Both were Ds, I like the decocker feature. Yep, they are surprising accurate. I held one that was the twin to yours about three or four years back. Gunshop near the office had them, it were tempting mighty tempting. I resisted the urge.
Found a new-to-me gunshop in a nearby town and visited it. I had heard about it but this was the first chance to visit. Better selection of and accessories than I was used to seeing (since December that is). They had just got in a shipment of CCI .22WMR “Critical Defense” ammo. Since CCI ammo is apparently made out of unobtainium, I bought a box. Looked at a couple of CZ rifles, the owner remarked he hadn’t shown many bolt action rifles to folks recently, just handguns and EBRs. Dang those CZ rifles are nice (mag and mag release not withstanding). And that’s all the newz that isn’t.


3,965 posted on 01/27/2013 7:11:11 AM PST by osagebowman
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To: hiredhand
You say that slant muzzle brake is worthless? I swapped one of these on a buddy's rifle yesterday and it was LOOSE.

On an AK47, the muzzle threads are protected by a simple screw-on ring. It's locked by the spring-loaded plunger.

There are 8 indentations on the ring that allows you to tighten it enough so it doesn't rattle. On the AKM, there's only one indentation for the plunger, so the slanted part always wound up in the same location. There is always a bit of wobble and rattle because it never tightens up for that last partial turn. One of the problems with any flash hider in any weapon that needs to index to a certain point. With the M-16A2, with the blank area that's supposed to be on the bottom, shims are used for the final "timing".

The PWS flash hider shown for the AKM has two locking notches, because either side can be on top. They provide the red RTV rubber O-ring to take up the last bit of slack, as you snug it up enough to catch the detent pin, and squeeze the O-ring enough to silence any rattle. RTV rubber ("room temperature vulcanizing") is used in high heat applications (engine valve covers, etc) because it won't melt.

The rest of AKM flash hider's flaws I'm taking the word of various articles I've read. It's basically a rocket nozzle with one side of the exhaust bell sliced off to direct a bigger part of the muzzle blast in an off-axis direction, while trying to provide a bit of muzzle rise by directing the muzzle gases up and to the left. I just knew it had to go because it was loose and rattled by design.

One word of advice: I've found PWS muzzle brakes to be very good, as are some other brands, but all the good stuff, for any weapon, costs around $100. On an indoor range, I've seen the difference on my own rifles between something that will light up the entire firing line, and something that produces just a faint glowing jet that vanishes within a couple of inches of exiting the muzzle device. The faster the muzzle blast can be mixed with cooler air, the smaller the visible signature is, especially in the dark. Even for the AR15s, an efficient flash hider has to be at least twice as long as the factory one, with more vents and swirly passages.

That's important enough for me, for both shooting comfort, and tactical reasons, to invest in a better muzzle device. Getting rid of the annoying rattle is just another bonus.

3,966 posted on 01/27/2013 11:06:19 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag
You have to hear this... One of the AKs that we swapped flash hiders on had a "problem". The best we could ever get it to shoot was a five foot circle at 200 yards. Keeping rounds on an 8.5x11" sheet at 25 yards was a challenge. But since swapping that scoop type brake, three of us were able to shoot "about" 1 inch groups at 25 yards, and this wasn't using a bench. My son went prone and shot better than either of us at well under an inch.

We got COLD and didn't do any after dark shooting to see just how effective the flash hiders were. We'll do that another time. :-)

Hey... thanks for the word on the red RTV rubber O-ring. I had NOT thought of that! :-)
3,967 posted on 01/27/2013 5:39:31 PM PST by hiredhand
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To: 300winmag

Oh man I hate it when I get to the range and forgot the mags. It has happened a few times :P Last time I grabbed the wrong box of ammo. Just as bad.


3,968 posted on 01/28/2013 2:13:42 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman; Lost Dutchman; Squantos; Corin Stormhands; JenB; TalonDJ; ExGeeEye; ...
This morning's early-bird edition of Saturday Night Gun Pron looks at how I'm learning about the quirks of my CZ75B. For one thing, it's too slippery and polished for me to handle confidently. I figured that out when it just about slipped out of my hands while taking it down for cleaning after the first time to the range.

It's also too slippery for me to rack the slide, since I have to take such a deathgrip on the slippery beauty, I don't have enough wrist strength to actually pull back the slide.

So I put away the lovely Hogue goncala alves and aluminum grip sets, and settle with some hum-drum, but vey tacky, wrap-around rubber grips.

So here are the results of the second trip to the range, where I spent more time testing the ammo than the new grips.

As before, the handgun is performing better than I am, but it's such a comfy and forgiving weapon, it makes me look better than I deserve to be. :)

But the main point of the range time was to test out the Remington Disintegrator 9mm +P 105gr leadless, heavy-metal-less practice round. While the blurb on the box says "same point of aim, same recoil as comparable service ammo", THEY LIE! It shoots to the same point of aim, and fed flawlessly, just like the Speer 115gr FMJ from the earlier session. But even at +P pressures, and only 10gr lighter, this was definitely a creampuff compared to the ball ammo. And this from a handgun set up for spring rates for regular service ammo. I'll have to see how my other 9mms like this stuff.

The reason I was testing the Disintegrator is because

1. The store got in a pallet of this stuff, without warning

2. The MSRP is $29.95 for box of 50

3. Premium defensive 9mm ammo is reaching $60 per box of 25

4. Generic 9mm FMJ will be approaching this price when new production enters the stream of commerce

Beyond that, the bullet itself is made of compressed and hardened iron "dust". The jacket is .8mm of pure brass electroplated over the iron core. It just has to be strong enough to keep everything together until the bullet hits the backstop, where it disintegrates into a cloud of iron that quickly loses energy. It also will not ricochet off of any surface.

This is certainly a "green" bullet, in that there is no lead, no jacketing materials, and no heavy metals in the primer. Second, the Disintegrator line includes .40S&W, .45ACP, 5.56mm and .22-250 rifle rounds (for "varmint hunting"), plus 12ga 00 buckshot and rifled sabot slugs.

On an indoor range, this is certainly a great benefit because everything is cleaner, and it doesn't slowly beat the hell out of a backstop like even lead eventually does. This ammunition has been out for a few years now, but I never really paid much attention to it. The Remington site lists all its sterling qualities, along with "other special uses". No further explanation.

I think that's a hint this could be a good, less costly home defense round, but Remington can't/won't say it. There are no ballistic gel tests that I know of, but the guys at the store say it performs like FMJ, except it will totally disintegrate on contact with anything as hard as bone, much less steel backplate. Over-penetration does not seem to be an issue. You are free to speculate on the odd fact that the calibers available, except for .22-250, which really is a varmint round, are common law-enforcement/home defense rounds.

One final caveat emptor: a lot of dealers are tacking another $20 to the MSRP, and trying to push it as another premium defense round. Apparently a lot of this just hit the market, and supplies are good. But they're counting on the 9mm ammo drought (after newbies suddenly realized a box of 50 won't get them through even a minor zombie uprising), so some dealers are hoping to rip them off again.

I'm eager to find some .40 and .45 in this line, but I've grabbed five boxes of the 9mm, just to be prudent. This ammo does everything every leftist greenie demands, but it still seems to be pretty lethal in some very specific circumstances. If you see any at the proper price, buy at least two boxes, one for testing, the other for saving.

3,969 posted on 02/03/2013 3:13:08 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

Hmmm. Interesting.


3,970 posted on 02/03/2013 7:25:23 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: 300winmag

Sheet of skateboard tape and some scissors and a paper punch to make some dots to give ya some key friction surfaces.. Clean / degrease the surfaces you want to add this to and stick em on. With heavy use they last a year per my experience. Couple bucks a sheet at local sports shop.

Awesome CZ ....very nice handgun. Love em.

Stay safe !


3,971 posted on 02/03/2013 8:37:19 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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Awesome CZ ....very nice handgun. Love em.

Same here. I bought this one strictly as a safe princess, but it so nice to shoot. Now I need something from CZ in .40 and .45. Real shame nobody makes a .357Sig barrel. And I'm mighty happy I snagged the .22 Kadet kit when I did.

And to top it off, they're a hell of a deal, even with the devalued US dollar.

3,972 posted on 02/03/2013 11:37:33 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman; Lost Dutchman; Squantos; Corin Stormhands; JenB; TalonDJ; ExGeeEye; ...
Apologies for the belated Saturday Night Gun Pron. Once again, The One's "fundamental transformation" of even the simple matter of firearms ownership has everything in some form of turmoil.

As usual, my near-daily trips to "my store" always brings enlightenment, if not some new swag. Some days, the sales floor is empty, but there are tons of new shooters waiting to get on the firing ranges. Typical reaction coming off the firing line, "OMG, I just shot up the box of ammo I bought for this gun. Where can I find some cheap ammo?" I've been sorely tempted to say, "move to New York state, where, by law, seven rounds are all you need, and all you can have". But then I decided that there's no place for smart-assery in a gun store. I've already hit the floor a couple of times as some noob walks in with a weapon, being too stupid to read the warnings about stuff like that when entering the store. Let them get themselves "thinned-out" somewhere where I'm not.

On the positive side, I did score another CZ, this time a CZ75D (decocker) Compact in 9mm. Here it is with the slightly more showy, and slippery, CZ75B with traditional safety.

It has an aluminum frame, rather than steel, and along with two fewer rounds in the magazine and a shorter barrel, and is several ounces lighter while still feeling like a fine piece of machinery. The "D" has a working job waiting, as soon as I can get close to the range to spend a bit of quality time with the new toys.

I also have high hopes for finishing my CZ handgun collection in a short while. They make dozens of variations, but I only need a couple more for a representative population. The good thing is that "my store" decided a year ago that they wanted to be a volume CZ dealer, and ordered accordingly. The bad part is that CZ only sends a few items every week, with no idea of what's in the box of chocolates until they open it. Last week it was six CZ75Ds, which lasted a total of twelve hours spread over two days in inventory. Mine was sale number four of the first day.

Still, I took a hugh amount of smug pride when I said, "wrap it up, and throw in a half dozen spare mags, too". The store had the foresight to order a very large assortment of Mec-Gar aftermarket mags (the company also makes the OEM mags for most European brands, too), heavy on the ones for CZ. When the newbies figure out that an extra magazine, and extra box of ammo, are nice, I now buy six extras. My ammo supply isn't bad, so I can keep looking for bargains that still appear every now and then.

This is almost like a gold rush. Even "sane" people that never owned a gun, or maybe figured that grandpa's rusty .22 pump was "enough" started buying more respectable hardware. They've gone through most of the existing supply pipeline, and are slowing down simply because so much of the "tacticool stuff" is hard to get and expensive. But for the old time prospectors who keep working their little claim by the river, a little bit of "color" in the pan still turns up often enough to keep them interested and busy. Just a shame what all the "gold fever" gun buyers did to the pretty scenery when they stampeded through here not so long ago.

3,973 posted on 02/17/2013 7:14:43 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

LOL .... And this to shall pass ..... Reload, squirrel away for a rainy day !

Very cool CZ.... Have not seen that one before. Grateful for the view.


3,974 posted on 02/17/2013 7:25:41 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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Very cool CZ.... Have not seen that one before. Grateful for the view.

The CZ catalog shows a lot of variations on the 75 platform, some of which, like target models, are most likely one-offs from their custom shop. Still, I'm learning enough of what I want from their spare parts department, or CZ special parts makers to already begin customizing all three (so far) 75s.

The two full-sized ones now have a lanyard loop like the 75D has. And all three have drop-free magazine brakes to replace the Euro-style "you sure you want to dump that almost full magazine?" brake that came standard on them. Customizing is fun when you know exactly what you want, and just need a source to buy from.

Speaking of "buying", I have to shop for some unobtrusive blunt weapons so my nephew can properly outfit his new office as president of the grad student council. Everybody said his encounter with the Korean grad student was the most explosive one ever seen in the 40 years of the grad student poster contest. And he didn't have a damn thing to do with it, anyway. :)

3,975 posted on 02/17/2013 7:48:40 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

Surefire E2DL, a bandanna w a small pocket sewn into the corner for a new roll of quarters to fit in and start using sharpie twin tip chisel markers or at least one.

A messager bag or day pack w ballistic I sets or just a back panel off a old second chance NIJ IIIA rated vest .....

Also ask for a 25 pound ABC fire extinguisher.... Very abrasive to eyes and lungs when used as a riot agent vs a fire fighting tool .... Also the whacka mole option when empty and aggressor is down and coughing etc ...

All that aside a zebra 701 ink pen, 6$ in office max.... Will punch thru half inch plywood if ya can wrap it in a rag or bandanna to protect your own paw.....

Inside the thighs, neck, and armpits etc will do most damage as a get off me tool.

All else fails a simple rubber door stop wedge dropped to lock his office door works very very well to bunker down till the cavalry shows up...

Don’t forget tried and tru wasp spray.... Damn bugs !

Just some ideas.


3,976 posted on 02/17/2013 8:04:17 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: 300winmag

Great Score Win-Mag; I liked that pistol a lot; rented one sometime back and found it easy to shoot. I really like the decocker feature which I understand can approach heresy to the 1911 platform devotees. The DA/SA feature works well with a revolver based muscle memory. Have you tried the Kadet conversion unit on your 75D?

RE: nephew, Squantos has some great ideas for easy to acquire and carry dual purpose items.


3,977 posted on 02/18/2013 10:21:52 AM PST by osagebowman
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A few tidbits before tonight's regular (hopefully) post:

I've commented in emails on how many people sneered at the original list price of the elite H&K 30-round 5.56mm mags, a good value at $40. Built like a Teutonic sh!thouse. They whined about the lack of $6 GI surplus M16 magazines, and declared that even $20 was too much to pay for Pmags.

Well, Friday a new shipment of the same H&K magazines came in, at the new price of $95. The "old" ones vanished instantly, the new ones will probably hang on the pegboard and "age" for a while. Meanwhile, I've been buying whatever "good stuff" I can use, at the same "good ol' days" prices. Mostly magazines, but a couple of handguns were bounced from the brush pile, too. Range report tomorrow.

A pattern is starting to appear for new firearms, which are trickling in from most of the major players, but just a few of each brand. Glock still ships about 30 assorted guns a week, all of which are sold in less than two days. AR15 clones from most appearing, including new models never mentioned before. They're all gone within a few days, even the ones lower on the food chain. Most prices are up $50-100 over the old days.

Companies are also doing all sorts of things to cut costs. Those custom brand-name plastic cases for the more leet handguns are now replaced with cardboard boxes, the reason being "you just throw the nice hard cases away, and this way we save $2". That seems reasonable, but I saw a new Colt "economy M-faux" with the cheapest chicom or Tapco furniture on it, with a model number nobody even knew was out there. It had a pencil-thin barrel (possibly Spanish) and no-name BUIS, but the lower receiver was still marked "COLT" (in a new logo layout), and they were selling it for around $1000. Except for the Colt name, I'd rate it the same as I would a $700 no-name clone from four months ago. Put some money and work into it, and it could be a fine weapon. But for $400 more, that fine weapon is already to take home with you.

One major score this week was the discovery, and delivery, of a case of 500 rounds of Remington "Disintegrator" ammo in .357 SiG !!! for the dealer wholesale price of $25 per box of 50. The most important part is not only is this cheap .357, but I expect to have a range report on it, soon. This particular model of Remington ammo isn't even documented on the Remington site, but it just jumped out at me. :)

My quandary right now is what to test next? New handguns in .40S&W, or older handguns with the new .357?

3,978 posted on 02/23/2013 3:17:29 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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I’m a fan of the .357 Sig..... CHL rig is a Glock 31.

125gr Speer GDHP is the preferred fodder.

Have a Glock 35 in SHort & Wimpy and love it as well, also a Sig P239 with both 40 and 357 barrels. Problem with that is specific mags for each caliber is a must due single stack geometry issues. Yeah either or is fine for paper punching but a P239 in 357 sig will jam if the 40SW mag is used.

40/357 shared staggered HiCaps like the P229 work fine and are carry reliable. Same for staggered HiCap Glock mags in 357/40 swap barrel rigs.....

Was at local shop yesterday and picked up PMAG’s for 30$ each. Also snagged 4 of the Surefire Mag 60’s for a C note each. We have those at work and they are flawless thus far.

My SBR stamped and papered M4gery is now officially a briefcase gun. Fits in a Pelican 1495 briefcase with upper and lower separated . Aimpoint comp B and. PVS-14 behind the Aimpoint on GG&G lever mount with canted BUIS’s . Room for 4 PMAGs orrrrrr 2 of these new Surefire Mags maybe.

Reliability tests will tell.. Nice package for a under the back seat rifle..

Colt is JUST a name anymore..... Not a fan at all. Won’t buy their products at all. Have some older (real) Colts and will keep em .... Bought a US Firearms Company Bisley a few years back and own a original Colt Bisley as well. The USFA quality impressive. Understanding and considering the generations separating the two both are awesome. But if yer going cowboy USFA is the way to go !

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Hope yer well !


3,979 posted on 02/23/2013 3:55:11 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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Afternoon Win-Mag; nicely done on the HK mags; yep, plastic is all the rage but cardboard boxes - dang beancounters. Glocks old tupperware boxes were the easiest to store on shelves but the full size ones not so much, according to my LGS buddy.

Interesting to note in these ammo drought days that he always or usually always has a box or two of ammo to sell with one of his guns. Makes sense to me, most want to shoot it as soon as they get it, not do the wait for the Wal-Mart or Cabellas delvery truck. He even keeps a few P-mags and GI mags when he sells a PDR (personal defense rifle). Terminology good enough for the Federales, good enough for us.


3,980 posted on 02/23/2013 3:32:03 PM PST by osagebowman
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This is the .357SiG ammo that cost me $250 per 500 four days ago.

Now it's $300 per 500, but $500 per thousand. I suspect they realized they underpriced it, so they want you to buy the bigger quantity to get the "old" price. They're probably surprised that people are buying it up. Still a good price, and probably the best deal for the long run.

And I still hear people bitching about the $40 H&K magazines that are now $95 dollars. They still demand the $6 magazines they heard about from somebody else, since they've never bought any up until now. I think those $6 mags date back to the days of nickel beer and a free lunch.

The One and his toadies may be upset that so many people went out and bought these weapons after they were warned not to. But at least the new owners are self-limiting the practicality of these otherwise fine defensive tools by holding their breaths until they get the prices they want. Free enterprise and stupidity is a dangerous combination, as the government has already shown. But these people are showing that our overlords aren't the only ones suffering from this cognitive dissonance.

I'm angry that $22 magazines from a few months ago are now $45. But better a higher price than none at all. I have no intention, and no use, of obtaining more than 5-6 of each magazine type.

I'm also hearing of some buyer's remorse setting in. Some items are coming back to the store as consignment sales as "used, never fired". It's starting to dawn on people that basic skills, and a reserve of supplies for readiness, requires almost as much investment in support items as the original weapon cost. Especially if you decide to get some decent optics, which is the one thing that will add to effective fire in a stressful environment.

Much as I wish it were otherwise, I know that a good handgun, and decent skills on my part, is 99% more likely to save my ass compared to my beloved rifles, which can't always go everywhere I do. I've only gone to the "suburban carbine" to cover the less-likely scenario of the 25-300 meter battlefield, because that's what it would be. But zero to 25 meters is by far the most likely.

Never let yourself be outgunned, especially at the most likely, and deadly, range out to 25 meters.

3,981 posted on 02/23/2013 4:01:33 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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Well that is same frangable design we use for 12 ga breecher loads from ALS.... Copper / tin ..... Works well for contact shots in training on steel targets also.

That stuff used to be LEO sales only .... Good find. Not sure what the terminal effects are but it is hell on hardware you need to remove fast when applied with a 12 ga.

May want to look around before ya waste that stuff because I think it’s coming off the market....

Stay safe ...


3,982 posted on 02/23/2013 9:21:40 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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Well that is same frangable design we use for 12 ga breecher loads from ALS.... Copper / tin ..... Works well for contact shots in training on steel targets also.

That stuff used to be LEO sales only .... Good find. Not sure what the terminal effects are but it is hell on hardware you need to remove fast when applied with a 12 ga.

May want to look around before ya waste that stuff because I think it’s coming off the market....

Stay safe ...


3,983 posted on 02/23/2013 9:22:34 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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May want to look around before ya waste that stuff because I think it’s coming off the market....

I'm surprised the stuff isn't marked "LEO use only". Then again, nothing surprises me when it comes to what is happening with the market, including the unexplained vanishing of all 5.7x28mm ammo just a few months after I bought 2K with no problem. Any regime that orders its Wall Street banksters to lean on smaller banks to cut off lines of credit to now-profitable gun manufacturers will do anything. When will they start squeezing dealers the same way? And put pressure on to close ranges?

Although this frangible stuff is the "greenie's dream". No lead, no toxic heavy metals, no ricochet,etc. It's greener than the proposed "green" tungsten cores that the US military would have been forced to buy from the chicoms.

And I definitely will buy more, as soon as I verify my plastic can handle it. The UPS guys already hate my guts. My biggest shortage right now are MTM plastic ammo cans. Haven't seen any in months, and I feel better when the stuff is outside the cardboard shipping carton, and nice and dry in the plastic can.

3,984 posted on 02/23/2013 10:18:42 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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Get yerself one of those Williams Sonoma or Wally World food saver Appliances that vacuum packs yer garden harvest and or left overs.

I vacuum pack each box or flats of 4 boxes each. Then drop em into a 20mm surplus ammo can that followed me home when I retired from the military. Knuckle Dragger Ammo Apes use to beg us to take the empties so they didn’t have to ship em off.

My TEOTWAWKI wall in my tornado shelter looks like a bomb dump..... Everything from bandaids to bullets to beer making supplies is stored in those 20mm ammo cans.

A food saver, lable maker and some good custom storage shelves keeps moisture and mice at bay quiet well when using the old ammo cans.

Just how I store large quantities of anything ..... Be it beans or bullets. Pretty low humidity in my location versus where your at so understand your concerns.

Food saver widget is a good tool for ones shop as well as the kitchen.

Also consider a dedicated storage room with a dehumidifier that drains itself to a sump pump or drain directly. Check the Craigslist for Pelican Brand cargo cases.... One of those will properly store 6 cases of anything with ease.

I am a big fan of Pelican Cases. Kicked one full of gear off the back ramp of a Herc at about 1600 feet MSL into big blue and it survived the drop at speed. No chute. Granted a few wraps of glass tape was also around the case to augment the latches but contents were dry . Evidence the lid didn’t even flex at the O-Ring.

Love pelican cases.

On the cheap some old chest type freezers are airtight. Left unplugged they make great dry boxes that are clearly tempeture stable.

Used a stainless Coleman cooler in my FJ80 Landcruiser to store emergency supplies. Freezing or Tropical Heat the contents stay in original condition for years.

Oh well we just got a Blizzard warning for the Panhandle of Texas 60 mph wind gusts and 14 inches possible. I am one of few if any texans that have studded snow tires on one dedicated 4x4 for our frequent ice storms and early morning black ice in the winter here on the High Plains. I will go chain up that rig and make it ready to bust some drifts if “I HAVE TO” go out in it for next few days.

Cord woods inside and dry so all is well.... All is well.

Stay safe !


3,985 posted on 02/24/2013 3:28:55 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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It's late, so I'll just post a quick image of my growing FN clan. I fired a couple of magazines through the FNX-45 on top. The FNX-40 below it, and the FNS-40 at bottom remain unfired. The "P-40" is more Glock-like, while the "X-40" has the three-position safety of the X-45, a bit more complex, but offering some desirable added features.

Meanwhile, the FX .40S&W magazines continue to mock me with markings of "40S&W/357 SiG", even though .357 barrels (all that's needed) have never been made, even by aftermarket barrel makers. Range report when I find my .40 ammo, which is scattered somewhere in the basement. CZ and SiG have the 9mm market cornered in my vault.

3,986 posted on 02/24/2013 3:32:14 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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With all the recent panic buying I decided to take stock of our ARs. I rediscovered what I already knew, which is that they are sadly not in a ‘grab and go’ configuration. One thing we are short are some decent slings. I have one on the AK but when I investigated further I realized I have no idea how to work the quick release and single point features it has. So I hesitate to pick up something for the ARs which i might not be able to figure out. Do you know any decent slings with real versatility. I am talking SHTF stuff and not just ye ‘ol hunting sling. Preferably something that has a guide on just what to do with it.

Then I need to figure up some better optics :P and maybe a rail fore-grip... been drooling over danieldefense products.


3,987 posted on 02/26/2013 12:37:42 PM PST by TalonDJ
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Do you know any decent slings with real versatility. I am talking SHTF stuff and not just ye ‘ol hunting sling. Preferably something that has a guide on just what to do with it.

For the money, the Magpul MS3 sling works well for about $45. Good slings aren't cheap, and some companies make custom "operator" slings designed for one particular weapon only. Those are closer to $100 each.

That's the sling in the single-point configuration. The short end, ahead of the D-ring, stays on the rear swivel. The other clamp, which is vey robust and secure, can be unclamped from that D-ring, and put on the front swivel, making it now a two-point sling. The picture isn't very clear, but there is a permanent adjustment handle sewn in, and enough material to cover just about any size. There are simple instructions to show how to do the initial fitting for left or right-handed carry. I've starting using this sling on all my new equipment, just to avoid the added cost of custom stuff, and for operational consistency. It's a good deal for the money, IMHO.

3,988 posted on 02/27/2013 2:00:09 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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This is a special weekday edition of Saturday Night Gun Pron reporting on a major Mossberg KABOOM!!! that happened at the range on Sunday. I wasn't there to see it, but they brought out the remnants of the shotgun (the shooter got away without a scratch) before they send it on to Mossberg, who will replace the 500 free of charge. The Mossberg engineering department was delighted, because they said this was the most catastrophic failure they've heard about in at least ten years, and they were eager to analyze how things performed. Here's Exhibit A:

While the barrel exploded into three major parts (one stopped successfully by the armored partitions between firing points), the rest of the shotgun behind the barrel was visibly unharmed, while the magazine could only hold three rounds, due to the dent where the barrel first bulged.

My own SWAG is that whatever the obstruction was (he cleaned it last year, brought it out Sunday, put the first round of buckshot in, and BOOM!) bears all the hallmarks of detonation, as opposed to severe overpressure that will open up a slit in the barrel, and let the other pressure escape. That usually occurs with a hypersonic shock wave that has to vent energy so fast that there isn't enough time for something to crumple like an aluminum can. Instead, the shock wave crumbles some of the material at the atomic level, before bigger pieces can even start moving. You can see this demonstrated (but not explained) with Mythbusters and their borrowed rocket sled.

They swept down the entire range, and could not find a trace of the shotgun shell, or whatever the obstruction was. My guess is the bright area at the site of the bulge represents the shell and obstruction vaporized, and explosively bonded into the barrel steel in that area. Just a SWAG on my part, of course, and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn.

Thanks are also due to Insight, for their combo pump shotgun/flashlight. It was scattered all around, but it saved his hand.

I'm sure the Mossberg engineers, knowing the physical characteristics of their steel, will come up with an estimate of the explosive force. I'd love to play CSI, and throw all sorts of tech at the rest of the weapon, looking for hidden damage, or flow of material from the site of the explosion to other places inside the shotgun. At least a Magnaflux test of the other parts. They're just happy to be getting so much devastation to study, and are more than happy to give the gun a new shotgun, even though he was probably a grossly negligent boob. :)

You can never make anything completely idiot proof, but you can be confident Mossberg makes something that has raised the bar for future idiots.

3,989 posted on 03/05/2013 2:23:25 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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This is a special weekday edition of Saturday Night Gun Pron reporting on a major Mossberg KABOOM!!! that happened at the range on Sunday. I wasn't there to see it, but they brought out the remnants of the shotgun (the shooter got away without a scratch) before they send it on to Mossberg, who will replace the 500 free of charge. The Mossberg engineering department was delighted, because they said this was the most catastrophic failure they've heard about in at least ten years, and they were eager to analyze how things performed. Here's Exhibit A:

While the barrel exploded into three major parts (one stopped successfully by the armored partitions between firing points), the rest of the shotgun behind the barrel was visibly unharmed, while the magazine could only hold three rounds, due to the dent where the barrel first bulged.

My own SWAG is that whatever the obstruction was (he cleaned it last year, brought it out Sunday, put the first round of buckshot in, and BOOM!) bears all the hallmarks of detonation, as opposed to severe overpressure that will open up a slit in the barrel, and let the other pressure escape. That usually occurs with a hypersonic shock wave that has to vent energy so fast that there isn't enough time for something to crumple like an aluminum can. Instead, the shock wave crumbles some of the material at the atomic level, before bigger pieces can even start moving. You can see this demonstrated (but not explained) with Mythbusters and their borrowed rocket sled.

They swept down the entire range, and could not find a trace of the shotgun shell, or whatever the obstruction was. My guess is the bright area at the site of the bulge represents the shell and obstruction vaporized, and explosively bonded into the barrel steel in that area. Just a SWAG on my part, of course, and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn.

Thanks are also due to Insight, for their combo pump shotgun/flashlight. It was scattered all around, but it saved his hand.

I'm sure the Mossberg engineers, knowing the physical characteristics of their steel, will come up with an estimate of the explosive force. I'd love to play CSI, and throw all sorts of tech at the rest of the weapon, looking for hidden damage, or flow of material from the site of the explosion to other places inside the shotgun. At least a Magnaflux test of the other parts. They're just happy to be getting so much devastation to study, and are more than happy to give the gun a new shotgun, even though he was probably a grossly negligent boob. :)

You can never make anything completely idiot proof, but you can be confident Mossberg makes something that has raised the bar for future idiots.

3,990 posted on 03/05/2013 2:24:18 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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YIKES!! I’m thinking the shooter prolly had to go home and change his underwear after that episode! ;o)


3,991 posted on 03/05/2013 3:03:47 AM PST by SuziQ
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Holy carp!!!


3,992 posted on 03/05/2013 5:16:55 AM PST by Professional Engineer (So long and thanks for all the lutefisk.)
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WOWZA!

That sort of thing gives a shooter chills. The closest I ever came was the time I squibbed a 380 round in my LCP. Fortunately I noticed and did not just rack the slide and fire another.


3,993 posted on 03/05/2013 5:59:22 AM PST by TalonDJ
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Wow - I’ll bet it was loud..Lucky fella, St. Barbara had her hands full keeping that gunner safe. It would be interesting to know what the findings will are; I’m tempted to concur with obstruction.


3,994 posted on 03/05/2013 7:03:53 AM PST by osagebowman
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Please ping me with the autopsy results.


3,995 posted on 03/05/2013 9:58:55 AM PST by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: 300winmag

Wow! Thanks for the report. I think it’s important for us all to realize every now and then just how -possible- these sorts of things are.


3,996 posted on 03/05/2013 11:43:30 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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Wow - I’ll bet it was loud..Lucky fella, St. Barbara had her hands full keeping that gunner safe. It would be interesting to know what the findings will are; I’m tempted to concur with obstruction.

That's what the guy at the next firing point said. I think that's what everyone in the store said. The range safety guy had just passed that firing point when all hell broke loose. He turned around, expecting to see major carnage, and there was the shooter just standing there, stuned but unharmed, like Wiley Coyote with his latest Acme purchase.

Everyone who works at the store is very interested in finding out how this was done, just to keep an eye out for whatever it was. It may be moths before any word comes out, but the safety interest is exceptionally high.

3,997 posted on 03/05/2013 12:16:43 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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Mouse in the mossberg ?


3,998 posted on 03/05/2013 1:58:01 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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What was ammo brand, load, etc, reload, yes or no ?

Ammo .....:o)


3,999 posted on 03/05/2013 2:36:23 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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What was ammo brand, load, etc, reload, yes or no ?

He bought his ammo from the store. Factory stuff, they don't want the legal risk of selling range reloads for their own range. My own guess was the ol' 20ga shell in a 12ga barrel, but the site of the mutual annihilation of the 12ga shell and obstacle doesn't seem quite right for that scenario.

4,000 posted on 03/05/2013 5:09:29 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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