Posted on 09/23/2009 6:19:16 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!
Now it's $300 per 500, but $500 per thousand. I suspect they realized they underpriced it, so they want you to buy the bigger quantity to get the "old" price. They're probably surprised that people are buying it up. Still a good price, and probably the best deal for the long run.
And I still hear people bitching about the $40 H&K magazines that are now $95 dollars. They still demand the $6 magazines they heard about from somebody else, since they've never bought any up until now. I think those $6 mags date back to the days of nickel beer and a free lunch.
The One and his toadies may be upset that so many people went out and bought these weapons after they were warned not to. But at least the new owners are self-limiting the practicality of these otherwise fine defensive tools by holding their breaths until they get the prices they want. Free enterprise and stupidity is a dangerous combination, as the government has already shown. But these people are showing that our overlords aren't the only ones suffering from this cognitive dissonance.
I'm angry that $22 magazines from a few months ago are now $45. But better a higher price than none at all. I have no intention, and no use, of obtaining more than 5-6 of each magazine type.
I'm also hearing of some buyer's remorse setting in. Some items are coming back to the store as consignment sales as "used, never fired". It's starting to dawn on people that basic skills, and a reserve of supplies for readiness, requires almost as much investment in support items as the original weapon cost. Especially if you decide to get some decent optics, which is the one thing that will add to effective fire in a stressful environment.
Much as I wish it were otherwise, I know that a good handgun, and decent skills on my part, is 99% more likely to save my ass compared to my beloved rifles, which can't always go everywhere I do. I've only gone to the "suburban carbine" to cover the less-likely scenario of the 25-300 meter battlefield, because that's what it would be. But zero to 25 meters is by far the most likely.
Never let yourself be outgunned, especially at the most likely, and deadly, range out to 25 meters.
Well that is same frangable design we use for 12 ga breecher loads from ALS.... Copper / tin ..... Works well for contact shots in training on steel targets also.
That stuff used to be LEO sales only .... Good find. Not sure what the terminal effects are but it is hell on hardware you need to remove fast when applied with a 12 ga.
May want to look around before ya waste that stuff because I think it’s coming off the market....
Stay safe ...
Well that is same frangable design we use for 12 ga breecher loads from ALS.... Copper / tin ..... Works well for contact shots in training on steel targets also.
That stuff used to be LEO sales only .... Good find. Not sure what the terminal effects are but it is hell on hardware you need to remove fast when applied with a 12 ga.
May want to look around before ya waste that stuff because I think it’s coming off the market....
Stay safe ...
I'm surprised the stuff isn't marked "LEO use only". Then again, nothing surprises me when it comes to what is happening with the market, including the unexplained vanishing of all 5.7x28mm ammo just a few months after I bought 2K with no problem. Any regime that orders its Wall Street banksters to lean on smaller banks to cut off lines of credit to now-profitable gun manufacturers will do anything. When will they start squeezing dealers the same way? And put pressure on to close ranges?
Although this frangible stuff is the "greenie's dream". No lead, no toxic heavy metals, no ricochet,etc. It's greener than the proposed "green" tungsten cores that the US military would have been forced to buy from the chicoms.
And I definitely will buy more, as soon as I verify my plastic can handle it. The UPS guys already hate my guts. My biggest shortage right now are MTM plastic ammo cans. Haven't seen any in months, and I feel better when the stuff is outside the cardboard shipping carton, and nice and dry in the plastic can.
Get yerself one of those Williams Sonoma or Wally World food saver Appliances that vacuum packs yer garden harvest and or left overs.
I vacuum pack each box or flats of 4 boxes each. Then drop em into a 20mm surplus ammo can that followed me home when I retired from the military. Knuckle Dragger Ammo Apes use to beg us to take the empties so they didn’t have to ship em off.
My TEOTWAWKI wall in my tornado shelter looks like a bomb dump..... Everything from bandaids to bullets to beer making supplies is stored in those 20mm ammo cans.
A food saver, lable maker and some good custom storage shelves keeps moisture and mice at bay quiet well when using the old ammo cans.
Just how I store large quantities of anything ..... Be it beans or bullets. Pretty low humidity in my location versus where your at so understand your concerns.
Food saver widget is a good tool for ones shop as well as the kitchen.
Also consider a dedicated storage room with a dehumidifier that drains itself to a sump pump or drain directly. Check the Craigslist for Pelican Brand cargo cases.... One of those will properly store 6 cases of anything with ease.
I am a big fan of Pelican Cases. Kicked one full of gear off the back ramp of a Herc at about 1600 feet MSL into big blue and it survived the drop at speed. No chute. Granted a few wraps of glass tape was also around the case to augment the latches but contents were dry . Evidence the lid didn’t even flex at the O-Ring.
Love pelican cases.
On the cheap some old chest type freezers are airtight. Left unplugged they make great dry boxes that are clearly tempeture stable.
Used a stainless Coleman cooler in my FJ80 Landcruiser to store emergency supplies. Freezing or Tropical Heat the contents stay in original condition for years.
Oh well we just got a Blizzard warning for the Panhandle of Texas 60 mph wind gusts and 14 inches possible. I am one of few if any texans that have studded snow tires on one dedicated 4x4 for our frequent ice storms and early morning black ice in the winter here on the High Plains. I will go chain up that rig and make it ready to bust some drifts if “I HAVE TO” go out in it for next few days.
Cord woods inside and dry so all is well.... All is well.
Stay safe !
Meanwhile, the FX .40S&W magazines continue to mock me with markings of "40S&W/357 SiG", even though .357 barrels (all that's needed) have never been made, even by aftermarket barrel makers. Range report when I find my .40 ammo, which is scattered somewhere in the basement. CZ and SiG have the 9mm market cornered in my vault.
With all the recent panic buying I decided to take stock of our ARs. I rediscovered what I already knew, which is that they are sadly not in a ‘grab and go’ configuration. One thing we are short are some decent slings. I have one on the AK but when I investigated further I realized I have no idea how to work the quick release and single point features it has. So I hesitate to pick up something for the ARs which i might not be able to figure out. Do you know any decent slings with real versatility. I am talking SHTF stuff and not just ye ‘ol hunting sling. Preferably something that has a guide on just what to do with it.
Then I need to figure up some better optics :P and maybe a rail fore-grip... been drooling over danieldefense products.
For the money, the Magpul MS3 sling works well for about $45. Good slings aren't cheap, and some companies make custom "operator" slings designed for one particular weapon only. Those are closer to $100 each.
That's the sling in the single-point configuration. The short end, ahead of the D-ring, stays on the rear swivel. The other clamp, which is vey robust and secure, can be unclamped from that D-ring, and put on the front swivel, making it now a two-point sling. The picture isn't very clear, but there is a permanent adjustment handle sewn in, and enough material to cover just about any size. There are simple instructions to show how to do the initial fitting for left or right-handed carry. I've starting using this sling on all my new equipment, just to avoid the added cost of custom stuff, and for operational consistency. It's a good deal for the money, IMHO.
While the barrel exploded into three major parts (one stopped successfully by the armored partitions between firing points), the rest of the shotgun behind the barrel was visibly unharmed, while the magazine could only hold three rounds, due to the dent where the barrel first bulged.
My own SWAG is that whatever the obstruction was (he cleaned it last year, brought it out Sunday, put the first round of buckshot in, and BOOM!) bears all the hallmarks of detonation, as opposed to severe overpressure that will open up a slit in the barrel, and let the other pressure escape. That usually occurs with a hypersonic shock wave that has to vent energy so fast that there isn't enough time for something to crumple like an aluminum can. Instead, the shock wave crumbles some of the material at the atomic level, before bigger pieces can even start moving. You can see this demonstrated (but not explained) with Mythbusters and their borrowed rocket sled.
They swept down the entire range, and could not find a trace of the shotgun shell, or whatever the obstruction was. My guess is the bright area at the site of the bulge represents the shell and obstruction vaporized, and explosively bonded into the barrel steel in that area. Just a SWAG on my part, of course, and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn.
Thanks are also due to Insight, for their combo pump shotgun/flashlight. It was scattered all around, but it saved his hand.
I'm sure the Mossberg engineers, knowing the physical characteristics of their steel, will come up with an estimate of the explosive force. I'd love to play CSI, and throw all sorts of tech at the rest of the weapon, looking for hidden damage, or flow of material from the site of the explosion to other places inside the shotgun. At least a Magnaflux test of the other parts. They're just happy to be getting so much devastation to study, and are more than happy to give the gun a new shotgun, even though he was probably a grossly negligent boob. :)
You can never make anything completely idiot proof, but you can be confident Mossberg makes something that has raised the bar for future idiots.
While the barrel exploded into three major parts (one stopped successfully by the armored partitions between firing points), the rest of the shotgun behind the barrel was visibly unharmed, while the magazine could only hold three rounds, due to the dent where the barrel first bulged.
My own SWAG is that whatever the obstruction was (he cleaned it last year, brought it out Sunday, put the first round of buckshot in, and BOOM!) bears all the hallmarks of detonation, as opposed to severe overpressure that will open up a slit in the barrel, and let the other pressure escape. That usually occurs with a hypersonic shock wave that has to vent energy so fast that there isn't enough time for something to crumple like an aluminum can. Instead, the shock wave crumbles some of the material at the atomic level, before bigger pieces can even start moving. You can see this demonstrated (but not explained) with Mythbusters and their borrowed rocket sled.
They swept down the entire range, and could not find a trace of the shotgun shell, or whatever the obstruction was. My guess is the bright area at the site of the bulge represents the shell and obstruction vaporized, and explosively bonded into the barrel steel in that area. Just a SWAG on my part, of course, and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn.
Thanks are also due to Insight, for their combo pump shotgun/flashlight. It was scattered all around, but it saved his hand.
I'm sure the Mossberg engineers, knowing the physical characteristics of their steel, will come up with an estimate of the explosive force. I'd love to play CSI, and throw all sorts of tech at the rest of the weapon, looking for hidden damage, or flow of material from the site of the explosion to other places inside the shotgun. At least a Magnaflux test of the other parts. They're just happy to be getting so much devastation to study, and are more than happy to give the gun a new shotgun, even though he was probably a grossly negligent boob. :)
You can never make anything completely idiot proof, but you can be confident Mossberg makes something that has raised the bar for future idiots.
YIKES!! I’m thinking the shooter prolly had to go home and change his underwear after that episode! ;o)
Holy carp!!!
WOWZA!
That sort of thing gives a shooter chills. The closest I ever came was the time I squibbed a 380 round in my LCP. Fortunately I noticed and did not just rack the slide and fire another.
Wow - I’ll bet it was loud..Lucky fella, St. Barbara had her hands full keeping that gunner safe. It would be interesting to know what the findings will are; I’m tempted to concur with obstruction.
Please ping me with the autopsy results.
Wow! Thanks for the report. I think it’s important for us all to realize every now and then just how -possible- these sorts of things are.
That's what the guy at the next firing point said. I think that's what everyone in the store said. The range safety guy had just passed that firing point when all hell broke loose. He turned around, expecting to see major carnage, and there was the shooter just standing there, stuned but unharmed, like Wiley Coyote with his latest Acme purchase.
Everyone who works at the store is very interested in finding out how this was done, just to keep an eye out for whatever it was. It may be moths before any word comes out, but the safety interest is exceptionally high.
Mouse in the mossberg ?
What was ammo brand, load, etc, reload, yes or no ?
Ammo .....:o)
He bought his ammo from the store. Factory stuff, they don't want the legal risk of selling range reloads for their own range. My own guess was the ol' 20ga shell in a 12ga barrel, but the site of the mutual annihilation of the 12ga shell and obstacle doesn't seem quite right for that scenario.
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