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Rewriting the dawn of civilization ( Was Göbekli Tepe the cradle of civilization? )
JoNova ^ | January 2nd, 2012 | Joanne

Posted on 01/03/2012 10:27:32 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: JimSEA

“It would be instructive if one of the “all scientists are moronic fakes” crowd could speculate on what use or reason other than religion could have given rise to this monument.”

Maybe their team won the Pre-history Bowl that year.


21 posted on 01/03/2012 1:13:15 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They have a carving of Serpent Head Carville.


22 posted on 01/03/2012 6:06:19 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for posting! Fascinating stuff.


23 posted on 01/03/2012 11:15:15 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (Our GOP candidates: Good grief, is this really the best field we can put together???)
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To: LachlanMinnesota

Because there’s no utility to it. It wasn’t a private residence (as even a palace would be), judging from the fact that it was open-air.


24 posted on 01/04/2012 5:31:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: JimSEA; Boogieman

:’)


25 posted on 01/04/2012 5:32:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Tucker39

FreeRepublic has a whole section for religious discussions, which is not what this topic is about, so knock off the hijacking.
I find it fascinating to watch these so-called intellectuals and brilliant minds, tie themselves in knots to come up with some scenario; ANY scenario, for what may have happened there, just as long as they can leave GOD out of their thought processes, and N-E-V-E-R mention the Scriptures or any connection Biblical history might have thereto!
There's no connection with the Scriptures because the site is 9000 years old, or 3000 years before Genesis. The OT mentions other sites specifically, some of which have been found by the same (or transliterated) names, because they were capitals of various neighboring groups.


26 posted on 01/04/2012 5:38:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; BenLurkin; StayAt HomeMother; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Ernest_at_the_Beach for the topic and ping, and thanks BenLurkin for the additional ping. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


27 posted on 01/04/2012 6:04:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: SunkenCiv; Ernest_at_the_Beach; TheOldLady
FreeRepublic has a whole section for religious discussions

By the weirdest coincidence, if you visit the FR religion forum, you find it is filled with bloodthirsty troglodytes clubbing each other to death...

IMO, "cradle" is a misuse here. The people who built this place were somewhat beyond the cradle.

28 posted on 01/04/2012 6:40:16 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We just watched a show about this on Netflix a couple of days ago. Interesting theories. Thanks for posting!


29 posted on 01/04/2012 8:51:44 PM PST by Peanut Gallery
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To: SunkenCiv

Was VGöbekli Tepe the cradle of civilization?

NO.


30 posted on 01/04/2012 10:09:29 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: JimSEA
Trading center.

Necessary to the health of the tribe. You need to interact with other groups so you need a place where you are sure to meet them and a place that is under a "peace bond" if you will.

So you set it up in a way that people can see it from a long way off thus the tall standing stones. Each tribe sets up a pillar and carve it with pictures to show it was theirs.

They rebuilt as old tribes died out or were absorbed by other tribes and new tribes were formed.

If it was a religious site then there should have been housing for a permanent staff of priests and their families as religious sites need to be tended. Can't have the gods getting ticked because some wolf peed on the stone sacred to Og lord of the trouser snake.

Meeting and trading centers have no such requirements, when you are done you just go.

31 posted on 01/04/2012 10:26:56 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: TexasTransplant

Exactly!!! Everyone knows it was when they invented BEER.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/how-beer-saved-the-world/


32 posted on 01/05/2012 6:48:14 AM PST by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: A. Patriot

Thanks for the link!!!

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/how-beer-saved-the-world/

TT


33 posted on 01/05/2012 10:58:02 AM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: Boogieman

This site is part of the “Ancient Aliens” shows on the History Channel.

Say what you will about these guys, no one has been able to satisfactorily explain to me how these ancient cultures were able to mill gigantic stones into absolutely straight edges with smooth stones containing entaglio carvings or recess niches, also with straight edges and even depths.

You can theorize about hauling huge stones all you want, but cutting them, grinding them smooth, and doing the entaglio carving perfectly seems a bit out of the grasp of ancient bronze tools.


34 posted on 01/05/2012 11:54:00 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: A. Patriot

Again ... Thanks for the link ...

I just thought that I would expand on it ... Beer may have been given to us by Aliens (and if I knew how to post pictures I’d post the Alien guy with the Hair and Brown Suit)

Thanks again ... my buddies are all getting a kick out of the Vid

TT

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/how-beer-saved-the-world/


35 posted on 01/05/2012 5:18:08 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: wildbill

Wow ... hadn’t read your post but it was kinda cool the way they meshed.

As far as the Stone cutting and moving ... seeing some of those sites is definitely on my bucket list.

I also had an idea ... in the vid they mentioned how many gallons of beer it took to build the great pyramid ... some fairly simple math from then to now and we should be able to deduce the inflation rate using a REAL Monetary Base and therefore establish the value of anything in today’s market.

Just one more thing that Beer can do

TT


36 posted on 01/05/2012 5:26:01 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If National Geographic had more stories like this one, I’d be inclined to subscribe.

Unfortunately every time I see an issue the lead story is always "How Global Warming will Drink Your Baby's Blood and Shoot Your Dog" etc.

37 posted on 01/05/2012 5:34:50 PM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: wildbill

Follow up (it’s always WHY)

Those Stones that they carved were also harder than the tools that they had available and ... they did not have the wheel and ... WHY did they feel the need to move (Import) them such a distance when easier to work materials were right there.

Just a couple more things that make ya go hmmmmmm

TT


38 posted on 01/05/2012 6:14:34 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: TexasTransplant; SunkenCiv

Here’s another puzzling thing that archeologists never explain.

There are several civilizations that have tombs cut deep into the bedrock or laid out with access throuh corridors deep in the pyramid or whatever structure. Many of the corridors and of course the tombs themselves are decorated with glyphs and painted scenes.

So how did the artists/carvers get enough light to carve and paint these tombs since they are absolutely black inside them when the archeologists of our time explore them with electric lights?

The usual answer is torches—but the ceilings of the corridors, tombs and painted scenes show no traces of soot from torches. How’d they do that?


39 posted on 01/05/2012 7:04:58 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill

Good question. Tomb builders, plasterers and tomb painters were issued candles, which were carefully accounted for and recorded by scribes. From these records we know that the day was split into two four-hour shifts with a break between.

The candles were constructed of canvas twisted into 35 cm lengths and bound spirally with linen webbing. This wick was then smeared with fat mixed with salt - the salt considerably reduced the amount of smoke and soot produced. These candles could not be held in the hand; instead they were placed singly or in groups of three in tall jars placed on shelves or in special niches in the walls.

One record states that 32 candles were used in a tomb every day for 22 days; another says that between 52 and 58 candles were used daily in a royal tomb.

So the clever addition of salt to the candle-fat prevented smoke and soot blackening the tomb or leaving any traces today.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_egyptians_see_to_paint_inside_their_tombs#ixzz1ie9ZgeqT


40 posted on 01/05/2012 8:01:31 PM PST by anglian
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