Posted on 09/22/2012 10:25:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
Geneticists have previously estimated mutation rates by comparing the human genome with the sequences of other primates. On the basis of species-divergence dates gleaned -- ironically -- from fossil evidence, they concluded that in human DNA, each letter mutates once every billion years. "It's a suspiciously round number," says Linda Vigilant, a molecular anthropologist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. The suspicion turned out to be justified.
In the past few years, geneticists have been able to watch the molecular clock in action, by sequencing whole genomes from dozens of families5 and comparing mutations in parents and children. These studies show that the clock ticks at perhaps half the rate of previous estimates, says Scally.
In a review published on 11 September1,Scally and his colleague Richard Durbin used the slower rates to reevaluate the timing of key splits in human evolution. "If the mutation rate is halved, then all the dates you estimate double," says Scally. "That seems like quite a radical change." Yet the latest molecular dates mesh much better with key archaeological dates.
Take the 400,000-600,000-year-old Sima de Los Huesos site in Atapuerca, Spain, which yielded bones attributed to Homo heidelbergensis, the direct ancestors of Neanderthals. Genetic studies have suggested that earlier ancestors of Neanderthals split from the branch leading to modern humans much more recently, just 270,000-435,000 years ago. A slowed molecular clock pushes this back to a more comfortable 600,000 years ago (see 'Better agreement over the human story').
(Excerpt) Read more at nature.com ...
No, about the other humans who apparently did not descend from Adam and Eve... the ones Cain was afraid of... where did they come from?
And no, that silly “population calculator” does not explain how 7 billion humans could have descended from a starting pair of two, whose mode of reproduction is incest / inbreeding.
Go take a look at how the Egyptian royalty fared due to this cultural practice, and what happened when European royalty married into small gene pools (consanguineous marriages, cousin-marriages, and not even incest, by the way).
Don’t let the cheers from the peanut gallery distract you from answering to the point.
Repeating a strawman fallacy from sites like Answers in Genesis or their ilk does not, in fact, constitute a valid argument. Try reading up on how the actual science is done, and how the fields of paleontology, geology, genetics, biochemistry, etc., all approach the questions from different angles and yet still come up with a picture that is pretty consistent. Compare that to the stories invented by various creationist con men--they aren't even consistent with each other, let alone with any science.
Also, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on people to "wake up to this fraud" that is actually the unifying theory of biology. The ancient Greeks were aware of evolution; if scientists haven't found an alternative scientifically defendable theory in those thousands of years, I doubt they're going to come up with something now.
Your personal attack does not answer my argument as to why the bible can not be considered as evidence in logic. Please provide objective proof of The Genesis story. And I am a young person not senile, yet.
Time is on my side, as the evolutionary revolution has about run its appointed time. I am Christian, and reality is the safest footing any Christian can have traveling through time in a flesh body. Once the last soul created eons ago willingly takes this flesh journey then there will never be a need for flesh bodies again. Imagine that, all the time effort and money spent to prove the evolutionary fairy tail/tale will have been for naught. What a waste.
Once this flesh age ends, the real undisputed education will begin to erase the tales/tails of Darwin. Probably makes the evolutionists wince at the prospect they will have to junk all their theories beginning with that hot steamy pot of primordial pond scum, wherein one single cell got all hot and bothered and magically reproduced itself and walla there was life.
Since God uses evolution, he is an evolutionist, but I suppose he forgives you and would like for you to attain the knowledge that he allowed humanity to discover.
Somebody lied to you. God never obsessed over flesh bodies. He had Solomon describe the two bodies in Eccelastices, the flesh body under the sun, and that spirit body that lives beyond the grave. The flesh body gives the identification of each and every 'soul' that comes through this flesh age in a flesh body. Not all souls will pass through this flesh age, some left their habitation and mixed with the daughters of Adam and sought to pollute the blood line to Christ. This bunch have been sentenced to death along with the first rebel. But, that flesh body is not what goes before the Creator and Christ as advocate on judgment day. Peter says categorically without question there are 3 heaven/earth ages. The beginning is never dated and that first heaven/earth age ended when the devil rebelled. Isaiah 14:12- and Ezekiel 28:12-.
By the time Christ (God with us) inhabited this earth and before any of the so called New Testament got penned upon animal skins or plant fibers, Christ said (Mark 13:23) Behold I have foretold you all things. Christ did not set in motion man the authority to revise and extend what had already been set in motion. Flesh is going to die and will never be useful to anyone ever again.
You’re using the Bible as a biology book. No wonder you come off as ignorant.
That's a Bible verse about philosophy, not science and knowledge. You are misusing it to promote ignorance.
Actually, you don’t know what you’re talking about, which isn’t surprising, given your outburst of nonsequitur clichés. By having the clock slow down, any chance of a 6000 year old Earth just got a nasty blow to the privates.
Me, read about the Cambrian explosion? You read about it — it’s clear that you haven’t read anything other than the usual Satanic lies from the usual online sources which pretend to be Bible-based, but are in fact the lies of Satan.
IOW, get thee behind me.
Hey, what did you expect from that troll?
Thanks JCB, I’m saving it to read later, along with its link.
I dozed off trying to read it, but I think it’s actually for null and void? :’)
Well said, and unless there were *more* mutations, and I mean MANY more, and miscarriages from bad ones, there’s no way to make it work — IOW, the “explanation” one of Satan’s followers up there gave that before “corruption” the genome was totally stable, makes no sense at all.
Thanks preacher.
A slower clock (as in this article) is probably an outgrowth of the Replacement model, in which a master race of “anatomically modern” humans left Africa and completely wiped out all earlier forms (such as Homo Erectus, which is what Peking Man was) and Neandertal without mating. Both Replacement and Multiregionalism has some early species (generally, Homo Erectus) leave Africa and continue to develop in isolation from Africa and from one another. The two models differ in that, the Replacement model sez the isolated groups reached the point of genetic incompatibility with the other groups; the Multiregional model sez the egress from Africa led to isolated parallel development and eventually to the modern ethnic drifts we see today. The Multiregional model makes the most sense IMHO, and the Replacement model is just some kind of racist drivel. I’d also add that, since the continental shelf (which is now submerged) has been dry land for most of the past two million years, and the lower the altitude, the warmer conditions are (everything else being equal, such as at latitude for example), probably Africa and the rest of the Earth as we know it today was colonized from what are now the submerged areas.
It's not even necessary for favored traits to appear. For evolution to occur, it is only necessary for the genomes of two different populations to diverge. It's analogous to the way our languages have diverged--you write "favour" and I write "favor", but neither way is advantageous. They're just different.
You don’t know what you’re talking about, and regurgitating some foolish ex cathedra claims of some so-called expert just makes you look even more ridiculous.
Once this flesh age ends, the real undisputed education will begin to erase the tales/tails of Darwin. Probably makes the evolutionists wince at the prospect they will have to junk all their theories beginning with that hot steamy pot of primordial pond scum, wherein one single cell got all hot and bothered and magically reproduced itself and walla there was life.
The Rapture could be tomorrow, and we could all be whisked off to God's kingdom and find it drastically different than anything here on earth. That changes nothing about the nature of the real world. Those of us who are born with a drive to learn as much as we can about the world around us aren't going to encounter any great surprises. We're certainly not going to find out that all of the evidence of evolution--not only of life on earth, but of the universe since the big bang--is nothing but an elaborate hoax. If God is truly as great as we have been taught, He will leave as many mysteries for us to discover in His kingdom as he left for us here on earth.
If you truly believe that God does not obsess over our physical bodies, then why are you so obsessed with believing that the story of Genesis is literal? Why should it matter that we evolved, if our physical form is so unimportant?
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