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Alice's at 50: Thanksgiving not complete without Guthrie (50th Anniversary)
Providence Journal ^ | 11/24/2015 | Karen Lee Ziner

Posted on 11/26/2015 5:12:41 AM PST by Kid Shelleen

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To: equaviator
I don't even think about Alice or her restaurant on Thanksgiving Day or any other day for that matter.

My brother e-mailed me this early this morning. I had no idea why. I deleted the e-mail after about 5 seconds listening to the horrible sounding song on YouTube. Had no clue it was some sort of strange Thanksgiving tradition.

21 posted on 11/26/2015 6:00:22 AM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Fond memories of youth. We always felt special when songs mentioned something about Massachusetts. And for those of us who grew up there, there’s nothing like Thanksgiving in New England. Package that up for us with some humor and beat, and you’ve a winner.

Interesting interview overall. Love the fact that it’s about music first and foremost for him, and that he thumbs his nose at being put in a box.

The comments about why he registered as a republican are...thought provoking...and could provoke different thoughts today than they might have 20 or even 10 years ago...especially the part about “guilt by association”.


22 posted on 11/26/2015 6:01:23 AM PST by o_1_2_3__
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To: LS
"And said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay $50 and pick up the garbage. " He said, "What were you arrested for, kid? " And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench.....

till I Said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand, And we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, Father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the Bench. ..."

Great stuff

23 posted on 11/26/2015 6:03:48 AM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red.)
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To: KevinB
Steve Goodman wrote that one, of course, but Arlo made if famous.

He wrote some good ones.

I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison. And I went to pick up her in the rain. But before I could get to the station in my pickup truck. She got run over by a damned old train. {You never even called me by my name aka The perfect country and western song Steve Goodman & David Allan Coe.}

24 posted on 11/26/2015 6:14:03 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe; KevinB

One of my personal Steve Goodman favorites is ‘A Cub Fan’s Dying Request’. It is really an anthem for the poor Cubbies. Sadly, we lost Mr Goodman to leukemia in the autumn of 1984. Loved his music.


25 posted on 11/26/2015 6:25:51 AM PST by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Kid Shelleen
"Alice's Restaurant" had just come out a bit before a neighbor found a pile of garbage dumped on his property. As in the song, he found an envelop with the perpetrator's name on it. The police were called, and the perp was forced to remove the garbage in order to avoid a fine. We all had a good laugh, and I gave a copy of the Guthrie album to the neighbor. (I don't think he even played it).

Several months later, a windmill which had been near the garbage pile, mysteriously disappeared from the property. It had been disassembled over night, and carried away, piece by piece. The neighbor was justifiably angry, as there was some value to complete, but unused, windmills as collector's items and antiques. I found out many years later, that the same person who dumped the garbage was the one who stole the windmill. He got the last laugh.

26 posted on 11/26/2015 6:27:21 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: elcid1970

The lottery was at Christmas, 1969. One of the first things coeds used to ask about a new guy was his number. We would want to know if he was going to be around for a while. My college boyfriend’s number was 42. He was never drafted. Thank you for your service.......I hope you were treated decently when you returned home so many years ago.


27 posted on 11/26/2015 6:28:51 AM PST by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: heylady

Actually, I was about to become an Army officer when that number came out, so it was mox nix.

I volunteered for Vietnam. How dumb was that?

;^)


28 posted on 11/26/2015 6:49:22 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: samtheman

Littering is a misdemeanor, which doesn’t preclude being drafted. People got drafted with a lot worse on their record, especially during Vietnam.

Unless Arlo Guthrie was convicted of leading a convoy of garbage trucks to dump toxic waste into Lake Tahoe, I ain’t buying his story.

;^)


29 posted on 11/26/2015 6:55:50 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: elcid1970
>> Littering is a misdemeanor, <<
AND creating a nuisance !!!
30 posted on 11/26/2015 6:59:52 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Kid Shelleen

OK, OK, but does it make one unfit for military service?

Arlo did write his “conviction” into the “Alice’s Restaurant” narrative, so it was likely embellished somewhat.

And yes, he was `soft left’, not a hard-core pro-Soviet mouthpiece like his dad.


31 posted on 11/26/2015 7:07:56 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: elcid1970
>> OK, OK, but does it make one unfit for military service? <<

I dont know. I am just having a little fun. I am sure there is some artistic embellishment.
Happy Thanksgiving FRiend!

32 posted on 11/26/2015 7:12:34 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I saw it back in 1970 at the theater. A waste of time. The University students really went for it as the bookstore had several cartoon books of the movie, poorly drawn.
Actually, the poorly drawn cartoons were better than the movie.


33 posted on 11/26/2015 7:29:45 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Kid Shelleen

The only thing memorable about the movie was the trailer shown a few days before, especially the scene where the camera moves away from what appears to be the cover of SGT PEPPER’S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND and all the characters are singing the theme to Alice’s Restaurant.
I distinctly remember a Tiny Tim character singing his heart out.


34 posted on 11/26/2015 7:34:58 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Kid Shelleen

The song was very clever and very timely, but I remember seeing the movie and not being at all impressed.


35 posted on 11/26/2015 7:39:58 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: elcid1970

Yes. You are right. And thank you for your service.


36 posted on 11/26/2015 7:59:12 AM PST by samtheman (I will build a great, great wall on our southern border... - DT)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I have discovered that Arlo Guthrie’s lefty politics are pretty mild compared with others in folkie showbiz. It’s kind of a joke to him. He’s not a Pete Seeger or Joan Baez.

But his father Woody Guthrie!? He didn’t take up singing for the troops until the U.S. was firmly committed as an ally of the Soviet Union. His guitar (actually several) were inscribed, “THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS”. Socialism or death was Woody Guthrie’s ideology.

Anyway, have a happy Thanksgiving.

Or are we now supposed to call it “National Indigenous Peoples’ Genocide Day?”

;^)


37 posted on 11/26/2015 9:19:24 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: originalbuckeye

Yes it is. Steve accomplished so much in his short life. He knew early that his years were limited and made the most of what he had. In addition to all the great songs he wrote he pretty much made John Prine’s career. Prine is a huge lefty, but it can’t be denied that he wrote a bunch of great songs.


38 posted on 11/26/2015 1:35:47 PM PST by KevinB (Barack Obama: Our first black, gay, Kenyan, Socialist, Muslim president!)
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