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PIV is always rape, ok?
Radical Wind - blowing through female outerspace ^ | December 15, 2013

Posted on 01/04/2014 3:58:04 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Just to recall a basic fact: Intercourse/PIV is always rape, plain and simple.

This is a developed recap from what I’ve been saying in various comments here and there in the last two years or so. as a radfem I’ve always said PIV is rape and I remember being disappointed to discover that so few radical feminists stated it clearly. How can you possibly see it otherwise? Intercourse is the very means through which men oppress us, from which we are not allowed to escape, yet some instances of or PIV and intercourse may be chosen and free? That makes no sense at all.

First, well intercourse is NEVER sex for women. Only men experience rape as sexual and define it as such. Sex for men is the unilateral penetration of their penis into a woman (or anything else replacing and symbolising the female orifice) whether she thinks she wants it or not – which is the definition of rape: that he will to do it anyway and that he uses her and treats her as a receptacle, in all circumstances – it makes no difference to him experiencing it as sexual. That is, at the very least, men use women as useful objects and instruments for penetration, and women are dehumanised by this act. It is an act of violence.

As FCM pointed out some time ago, intercourse is inherently harmful to women and intentionally so, because it causes pregnancy in women. The purpose of men enforcing intercourse regularly (as in, more than once a month) onto women is because it’s the surest way to cause pregnancy and force childbearing against our will, and thereby gain control over our reproductive powers. There is no way to eliminate the pregnancy risk entirely off PIV and the mitigating and harm-reduction practices such as contraception and abortion are inherently harmful, too. Reproductive harms of PIV range from pregnancy to abortion, having to take invasive, or toxic contraception, giving birth, forced child bearing and rearing and all the complications that go with them which may lead up to severe physical and emotional damage, disability, destitution, illness, or death (See factcheckme.wordpress.com for her work on the reproductive harms of PIV, click on the “intercourse series” page or “PIV” in the search bar). If we compare this to even the crappiest online definition of violence: “behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something”. Bingo. It fits: Pregnancy = may hurt, damage or kill. Intercourse = a man using his physical force to penetrate a woman. Intention / purpose of the act of intercourse = to cause pregnancy. PIV is therefore intentional harm / violence. Intentional sexual harm of a man against a woman through penile penetration = RAPE.

If we look at the act in more detail (skip this parag if you can’t take it), PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of himself into her most intimate parts, often forcing her to be entirely naked, banging himself against her with the whole weight of his body and hips, shaking her like he would stuff a corpse, then using her insides as a receptacle for his penile dejection. How is this a normal civilised, respectful way to treat anyone? Sorry for the explicit picture, but this is what it is and it’s absolutely revolting and violating.

The term “f*ck you” is not an insult for nothing, men know why – it’s the worst thing you can do to a human being. It is in itself an extremely physically invasive act, very often painful, generally at the beginning before the pain may be cut off by the genital arousal; causes all sorts of tears, bruises, swelling, discomfort, STDs, vaginal infections, urinary infections, genital warts, HIV and death. Not to forget the additional sado-gynecological interventions/ costs of PIV-maintenance, and all the secondary physical mutiliation and financial costs that go with our duty to make ourselves look decorative for male sexual consumption – such as hair removal, make-up, starvation or forced feeding, torturous limb deforming or cutting up, etc.

The fact intercourse causes so many infections and tears and warts attests to the unnaturalness of intercourse, that it’s not meant to be. The vagina’s primary function isn’t to be penetrated by a penis but to eject a baby for birth. They are two muscle tissues / sphincters pressed against each other to help the baby be pushed out. Penetration of the penis into the vagina is completely unnecessary for conception.

There’s a reason men need to groom us into it, and why this grooming takes so long- because it’s so grossly violating and traumatising that we would otherwise never submit to intercourse. The only reason we may now not feel raped or have the impression we desired or initiated PIV, is because men broke down our barriers very skillfully and progressively from birth, breaking down our natural defences to pain and invasion, our confidence in our own perceptions and sensations of fear and disgust that tell us male sexual invasion is painful, harmful and traumatic.

Through an all-pervasive and powerful male propaganda, they stuff our minds from infancy with the idea that PIV is normal, desirable and erotic, before we can even conceive of it as something horrifying, and make sure we never see any alternative to their lie – or that if we do, we can no longer take in the information, are punished for thinking and saying otherwise. The fact we may not immediately feel raped doesn’t mean it’s not rape, objectively speaking. To give a classic example, many women in prostitution may not identify the act of prostitution as rape, except if the act wasn’t paid for. It doesn’t stop us from saying that all prostitution is rape. We know that our subjective feelings or thoughts may be colonised by men’s perspectives and as radical feminists we don’t let that override and erase the objective reality of violence. (PS -The reason why ONLY the lack of payment is defined as rape is because the offence here isn’t against the prostituted woman but the pimp who was deprived of his income. Rape comes from rapt, which is an old word for theft of woman-as-property.)

Lastly, from a structural point of view, as a class oppressed by men, we are not in any position of freedom to negotiate what men do to us collectively and individually within the heterocage. Men, by whom we are possessed, colonised and held captive, are the sole agents and organisers of PIV. Men dominate us precisely so we can’t opt out of sexual abuse by them; intercourse is the very means through which men subordinate us, the very purpose of their domination, to control human reproduction.


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This is what feminism has devolved to.
1 posted on 01/04/2014 3:58:04 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can almost hear Eve laughing.


2 posted on 01/04/2014 4:02:52 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The answer is “No, not always.” and “You need help.”


3 posted on 01/04/2014 4:06:35 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I heard a similar argument a couple decades ago. It sounded stupid and pointless then too.


4 posted on 01/04/2014 4:06:48 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What’s PIV? Professionally Interactive Vectoring?


5 posted on 01/04/2014 4:11:01 AM PST by Ken522
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All feminists ought to stick by this belief, thus becoming extinct in a generation or two. The world would be better for it.


6 posted on 01/04/2014 4:11:53 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is John Semmens fooling around again?!


7 posted on 01/04/2014 4:12:37 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am now worried about your surfing habits! The link progression must have been a wild one to end up there. BTW, what in the H is PIV?


8 posted on 01/04/2014 4:14:26 AM PST by mazda77
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A rational person would assume this is the mindset that Obama had in mind for his new background check restrictions?


9 posted on 01/04/2014 4:17:10 AM PST by mazda77
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To: Ken522

Penis-in-Vagina??


10 posted on 01/04/2014 4:17:29 AM PST by trailz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think this b!tch has any personal worries regard PIV, as she calls it. She probably looks like Michael Moore and smells like Baltimore. At low tide.


11 posted on 01/04/2014 4:19:29 AM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Imagine having to spend an hour in the vicinity of this creature !


oy-piv-vey

12 posted on 01/04/2014 4:21:19 AM PST by tomkat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No, this is not truly what feminism has devolved to. This is, actually, a VERY sick, VERY broken woman who has had awful trauma in her life. I went to the blog and saw a small collection of very broken women.

I know 'feminist' women, and I even know a few pagan/witch types (this author identifies herself as same) who would lay claim to the feminist label. They have active, healthy sex lives with their chosen man.

I say this without anger, without sarcasm, without any other emotion than compassion: I hope this woman finds the help she needs. She is terribly broken, and in a continuous state of anguish.

13 posted on 01/04/2014 4:25:32 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nothing new here, Andrea Dworkin & Catherine McKinnon were saying that many years ago, that all male/female sex was rape.

Yet more examples that some people are capable of being so over educated that they’re incapable of actually thinking or making sense.

Mark


14 posted on 01/04/2014 4:25:53 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is the first I’ve heard about Pelosi being In Virgina!


15 posted on 01/04/2014 4:26:00 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author of this is still angry that she never could get a date.


16 posted on 01/04/2014 4:28:29 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I used to really enjoy reading the most radical feminest stuff, Catharine MacKinnon was a favorite, as was Andrea Dyorkin.

This is my favorite feminist book, it is by the womyn who shot Andy Warhol, Valerie Solanas.

S.C.U.M. Manifesto
(Society for Cutting Up Men)

http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm


17 posted on 01/04/2014 4:28:59 AM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Ken522
"What’s PIV? Professionally Interactive Vectoring?"

Partially Infected "Va-jay-jay"?

18 posted on 01/04/2014 4:30:33 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: mazda77; Ken522

PIV stands for Penis In Vagina. No, I’m not kidding.


19 posted on 01/04/2014 4:31:07 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: Ken522
I had to look it up.

After rejecting Particle image velocimetry, I finally came to Penis In Vagina

I suppose that differentiates it from PIA or PIR ... maybe even PIM, and the less used PIE

20 posted on 01/04/2014 4:32:39 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: mazda77

Mental Illness and Radical Feminism
http://theothermccain.com/2014/01/03/mental-illness-and-radical-feminism/

And Twitchy is having a ball with it:

‘Was she dropped on her head?’ Feminist shrieks about sexual intercourse; Mockery ensues
http://twitchy.com/2014/01/03/was-she-dropped-on-her-head-feminist-shrieks-about-sexual-intercourse-mockery-ensues/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter


21 posted on 01/04/2014 4:34:04 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

P.I.V. is Proven Intellectual Virgin : English, someone that has proven beyond doubt that they have never used the brain God gave them.


22 posted on 01/04/2014 4:37:24 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't know who this person is, but I'm quite sure she gets pleasure from vaginal penetration in the form of a dick, so her beef (pun intended) is not against peni, but against life.

Thus, she's one of Satan's molls and should be banished to the pit of hell where the rest of them wail and gnash.

23 posted on 01/04/2014 4:37:54 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of himself into her most intimate parts,

And if the woman is on top...?

24 posted on 01/04/2014 4:39:21 AM PST by verga (Poor spiritual health oftern leads to poor physical and mental health)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I sense a 300# trog with her wallet on a chain posted this blog in search of single triangular carpetry...

Check out the comments, a victimized psychopalooza.


25 posted on 01/04/2014 4:41:40 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: knarf

Thanks for the explanation. I thought “P” might stand for “pussy”..but gave up after that..


26 posted on 01/04/2014 4:48:31 AM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For some reason, this makes me want to have sex with a conservative guy as soon as freaking possible.


27 posted on 01/04/2014 4:51:55 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: MarkL

Susan Brownmiller was saying the same things as well. I knew early on that the rad-feminists were wacko when nuts like Brownmiller said ALL!! men were for rape to control women. The feminists of the sixties struck me as being mentally disturbed people who needed psychiatric help.


28 posted on 01/04/2014 4:53:20 AM PST by driftless2
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To: ToastedHead

Sorry, I’m married. [chortle]


29 posted on 01/04/2014 4:53:32 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dude, this is not about morals. This is about my complete and total rejection of her premise. Throw me against a wall like a corpse!


30 posted on 01/04/2014 4:59:33 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

What was I thinking?


31 posted on 01/04/2014 5:00:43 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: driftless2

I have a copy of her 1975 book Against Our Will: Men, Women, and Rape.

It is wildly entertaining if you like to read books by insane radicals.


32 posted on 01/04/2014 5:02:49 AM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What was I thinking?

Obviously not with the right "organ".

33 posted on 01/04/2014 5:03:58 AM PST by verga (Poor spiritual health oftern leads to poor physical and mental health)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s better. I’ll be in the heterocage...


34 posted on 01/04/2014 5:06:02 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: verga

Quick, someone fax me some Viagra!


35 posted on 01/04/2014 5:06:23 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: ToastedHead

Is it gilded?


36 posted on 01/04/2014 5:06:51 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: ToastedHead

I once dated the president of the NOW chapter at a university, after 2 or 3 months she showed me that she had removed her NOW ring, and left the organization for good.


37 posted on 01/04/2014 5:07:51 AM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Its very easy to laugh at the biological data, the lack of logic, the hollow assumptions, and the general inaneness of this kind of stuff, but there is a serious side to it all. If feminazi’s like this ever get the upper hand, they will have no hesitation is driving all men into some kind of gulag, or extermination camp. I have no doubt about that at all.


38 posted on 01/04/2014 5:08:21 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With Bitcoins.


39 posted on 01/04/2014 5:08:39 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

(fax me some Viagra...)

I’m a pharmacist. I’ll bring a bottle with me.


40 posted on 01/04/2014 5:11:23 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

Natürlich.


41 posted on 01/04/2014 5:11:56 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: Vanders9
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

42 posted on 01/04/2014 5:12:48 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: ansel12

That’s all those kinda girls need. A few nights with a real man. It must be the pj boys turning them into man haters.


43 posted on 01/04/2014 5:13:32 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the universal feminist, Colleen Hyphenated-Lastname, must have written the all-sex-is-rape article that you just posted.


PLANE CRASH HITS WOMEN HARDEST

Recent plane crashes have hit women hardest, says a new study just released by the Propaganda Organization for Women (POW).

POW President Colleen Hyphenated-Lastname said there were both men and women aboard the flights when they crashed. "But in every situation, women are hardest hit. Obviously that rule applies to plane crashes as well."

"In virtually every income and social level, women are at a disadvantage compared to men," Hyphenated-Lastname said. "Naturally, this also applies to death. Ever since childhood, boys were encouraged to play war games, or cops and robbers and other games in which the players pretend to be shot and killed. Therefore, boys grow up with valuable training and experience in dying that puts women at a disadvantage. Society imposes this limit on girls and women. Like the sneaker commercial says about girls: 'If you want to empower me, teach me how to die.' "

Hyphenated-Lastname explained other ways in which her organization reached its findings: "We know that violence against women is always wrong. And the flip-side of that coin is that violence against men is sometimes great. Now, this was a very violent plane crash. So obviously all the violence against women was wrong, but some of the violence against the men was justified or tolerable. To these men we say, 'stop whining.' "

"We know that the men on the plane just sat there while this terrible violence happened to women. How is it, in our day and age, that these men could just sit by and do nothing while women died? Because of their lack of action, those men are partly to blame for the deaths of those women -- as are men everywhere."

"It seems likely that some of the men on that plane were not willing to give up their lives. This is part of the backlash against women. We see the same thing when men do not want to be fired, demoted, passed over for promotion or discriminated against in order to assure equality. These men do not want to give up their privileges. We assume that some men on that plane did not want to give up the privilege of life, either. But obviously, if they died, then a woman might get their jobs. They might claim that they 'only want to go on living.' The real reason is they just want to hold women back."

"However, it is a matter of controversy as to whether any men on the plane actually died," Hyphenated-Lastname said. "We know that death is the ultimate form of victimhood, and we also know that only women are victims. Therefore it's debatable whether any of the men on the plane actually died, or whether they merely underwent a radical deconstruction of their Eurocentric consciousness."

"We studied the plane crash using the same methods we employ to study and identify domestic violence, discrimination and sexism," Hyphenated-Lastname said. "All those studies show that only women are victims. So obviously there were no male victims on the plane that crashed."

"Our study defined death thusly: It's death if it happens to women, and it's not death if it happens to men. This is, after all, the same way we define discrimination and sexism. And once the proper definition of death is understood, the inherent sexism of men in every situation becomes clear. For example, USA men have literally been dying to find a way to shirk their responsibilities onto USA women at work, where 92 percent who leave the workplace by death are men, thus USA women are the ones who are forced to tough it out when abandoned by lazy, sexist male coworkers."

"I am sure," concluded Ms. Hyphenated-Lastname, "that after hearing my testimony today, it is patently obvious that society can no longer tolerate ongoing women's suffrage."
_________________
[Text shamelessly adapted from Pers Manifesto]

44 posted on 01/04/2014 5:15:00 AM PST by elengr (Benghazi betrayal: rescue denied - our guys DIED - treason's the reason obama s/b tried then fried!)
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To: ansel12
I was a lot more liberal back then than I am now, but after reading feminist "literature" in the college library, the only conclusion I could come to was that the great majority of feminists were anti-male, anti-American lunatics who needed to be squelched.

But I think their own radicalness did them in. A great percentage of young women of the succeeding generation did not want to be called feminists. I blame these harpies for much of that anti-male hysteria that exists today.

And I also believe that much of the gains for women attributed to these jerks would have happened anyway. The fact that after WWII, unlike previous generations, millions of baby Boomer females were going to college mandated changes in the workforce. So I don't give those radical feminists credit for anything except helping to destroy American society.

45 posted on 01/04/2014 5:16:22 AM PST by driftless2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We can destroy her theory in any language you want, kid.


46 posted on 01/04/2014 5:16:24 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
... we are not in any position of freedom to negotiate what men do to us collectively and individually within the heterocage.

Oh, I wish.

47 posted on 01/04/2014 5:16:50 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: ToastedHead

So ...... Come here often ?

(popping breath mints)


48 posted on 01/04/2014 5:19:05 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: driftless2

“I don’t give those radical feminists credit for anything...”

I give them credit for making things more awkward in the workplace. Guys are always afraid to be themselves around me until they see I’m not a feminazi looking to take them down. Once they see I’m on the side of the minority status straight white male, its party time.


49 posted on 01/04/2014 5:20:34 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: Skooz

I welcome your oppression. As do the overwhelming majority of normal chicks who resent feminism.


50 posted on 01/04/2014 5:27:00 AM PST by ToastedHead
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