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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: decal; Harmless Teddy Bear

Only 30, but my father swiped me a coffee spoon when I was 5.
(I liked my coffee, even then.)
And for my anniversary the missus grabbed a full set, fork knife and spoon on E-bay.

So technically I have two spoons.
But one I do not use and keep safe.
Very safe.


261 posted on 07/31/2005 5:11:34 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Monkey Face

I'm from South Jersey.


262 posted on 07/31/2005 5:11:57 PM PDT by mware
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To: mware

Rice-cream just sounds...

wrong.


263 posted on 07/31/2005 5:12:26 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: mware

LOL!

OKthen! Midwest AND South Jersey!


264 posted on 07/31/2005 5:13:47 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tuliptree76
Rice-cream just sounds... wrong.

It is, extremely wrong.

265 posted on 07/31/2005 5:13:59 PM PDT by mware
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To: tuliptree76
OK how do you eat animal cracker?

First I bit off the legs. then I nibble off its head, leaving the torso for last.

266 posted on 07/31/2005 5:15:35 PM PDT by mware
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To: Darksheare; All

We just had a commercial for the monsoons..."It's monsoon season here, and we're looking for that special combination of ~~ high water and low intelligence!"


267 posted on 07/31/2005 5:15:43 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face
I am watching the History Channel. Part 2 on Cannibals.
268 posted on 07/31/2005 5:17:08 PM PDT by mware
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To: mware

Head, legs, torso.


269 posted on 07/31/2005 5:17:12 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: mware
Don't try the soy until they perfect the anti-gagging additive. :)

Confession, I drink soy milk. It is ok as long as you can get rid of the idea that it is MILK. It is not milk. It does not taste like milk. It does not have the same mouth feel as milk. It does not smell the same as milk. It is not milk.

But if you drink it as a soy drink rather then as milk it is ok.

270 posted on 07/31/2005 5:18:45 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite (Adjusts tin foil hat with stylish copper lining))
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To: mware

I love animal crackers. I eat them head first, then legs, then torso...and always give the broken ones to your younger siblings. (Unless they are Mother's Frosted Animal Cookies...)


271 posted on 07/31/2005 5:19:13 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

I blame my mom, I inherited the addiction to chocolate from her.
;-)


272 posted on 07/31/2005 5:20:01 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: mware

I watched as much of that as I could when it was on a few months ago. It was pretty interesting.


273 posted on 07/31/2005 5:20:10 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tuliptree76
When I was a kid eating carrots and peas.

Move the peas and carrots about 5 times around my plate, than tell my parents I was full.

Mashed Potatoes.. shape the potatoes like a volcano and pour the gravy into the vent. Carve little rivers with my fork and watch the gravy pour over the side.

274 posted on 07/31/2005 5:20:39 PM PDT by mware
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I didn't even get one of those.


275 posted on 07/31/2005 5:22:09 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: mware

I didn't play with my vegetables much. I actually liked peas and carrots.


276 posted on 07/31/2005 5:22:17 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Oh ugh. I will not touch anything with soy in it if it is in the first five, on the list of ingredients. If they use it as a hormone replacement for women, imagine what it can do to little girls. And men.


277 posted on 07/31/2005 5:22:41 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: mware

Yah gotta put butter in the hole before you add the gravy!


278 posted on 07/31/2005 5:23:22 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Darksheare

I have no idea where I got mine, but I could care less! I have it, and that's what counts! ;o]


279 posted on 07/31/2005 5:24:15 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I hear ya. Actually that soy milk helped me when the lactose intolerance was at its worse. I was down below 95 pounds and think at that point had a eating disorder. Each of those soy milks had something like 220 calories per drink. It helped me to stabilize my weight and eventually gain weight.
280 posted on 07/31/2005 5:24:43 PM PDT by mware
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