Posted on 12/02/2008 1:54:26 PM PST by patriotgal1787
Last week, Gary Kreep of the US Justice Foundation was on my radio program to talk about the lawsuit he has brought with the California Secretary of State asking that the state's 55 Electoral College votes not be cast on December 15 until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The suit was filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes along with California Electors Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson. Tonight we're talking with writer and author Joan Swirsky, who has written extensively about the cloud of doubt surrounding Obama's eligibility to be president because of uncertainty about his place of birth. Her latest piece appeared in the Tulsa Today newspaper on Nov. 22nd, and provides one of the most comprehensive overviews of the issue and the various lawsuits that have been filed demanding Obama produce his Certificate of Live Birth, in order to show once and for all where he was born.
To this date, Barack Obama has refused - or been unable -to produce an authentic birth certificate that attests to the fact he is an American-born citizen. He has had more than the two-years of campaigning for the presidency of the United States to do this, but failed.
Why is this important? Because the Constitution of the United States expressly forbids anyone born on foreign soil to run for the highest office in our land!
You would think that Obama would have volunteered the "proof" of his eligibility within a nanosecond of entering the race. But here we are, less than two weeks away from the election, and Americans still don't know if Obama is an American!
While Obama's camp submitted a supposedly authentic birth certificate to the far-left blog Daily Kos, it was found to have been a photo-shopped version of the birth certificate of his half-sister, who was actually born in Hawaii, as Obama claims he was.
While this glaring omission in Obama's eligibility to become the most powerful man on earth mystified some and rankled others, a few people - clearly alarmed at what they considered a stealth candidate's attempt to dance his way around the Constitution and venture into the realm of criminality- took action.
Coincidentally, over the Thanksgiving holiday, an acquaintance wrote me: And yes, the State of Hawaii says it has a birth certificate, but it's one that was filed AFTER he was born. Hawaii spokesmen did NOT say he was born in Hawaii. Don't be confused. For example, I have a birth certificate in my possession. You probably have one too. It is NOT the vault original that is kept or registered in the city or town of my birth. Thus my copy is just that. A copy. And the form it is on bears no resemblance to the original vault copy. It does not have all the information (doctor's sig., my birth weight, length, footprint, etc), legal stamp -- it is a notarized certificate proving that I was born on such and such a date to my mother and father. Period. The million dollar question is "Why won't Obama simply produce the original certificate and put all this to rest????" Those who think we are making "much ado about nothing" are reaching a conclusion without all the facts. Listen to my interview with Kreep, the attorney who has filed the petition with the Superior Court of California on behalf of Alan Keyes -- AND two CA Electors who are demanding that the Sec. of State and Obama fulfill their oath to uphold the Constitution and produce the original birth certificate which will show where he was born. Before the electoral college can cast their votes, they MUST adhere to the requirements of the Constitution, which necessitates proof that the president -elect is qualified under ALL the rules of Article II of our Constitution, which foremost states: "No person except a natural born citizen... shall be eligible to the Office of President." To date, he has refused to provide that simple piece of paper. Why??? His continued refusal to produce it makes the whole issue even more suspicious. Why won't he? He was in Hawaii when his grandmother was dying -- he could have done it then and there. Why didn't he? He is the only one who can request it. Is he above the law? Is he hiding something? Smarter people than me seem to think so, and are willing to take it to the Supreme Court to force the issue and make sure our Constitution is obeyed. Join us tonight at 9 ET when we'll talk more with Joan Swirsky about it. Link to the the show here."The State of Hawaii says they have the record so believe them - it's sour grapes again because the majority of the voters and the Electoral College voted for him - which didn't happen 8 years ago. For once let the people be heard. After all, I believe that we a Nation governed by the people for the people."
Another wrote: "...why wouldn't the GOP and McCain's team have brought it up? Plus Hawaii did confirm his Birth certificate....Last, Arnold Schwartzenegger should and would be bitching...'
Yes, the State of Hawaii said they have the birth certificate that was filed with the state by his mother -- BUT It is NOT the original. That would be the VAULT certificate which is signed by the attending physician at the time of birth, and typically signed and witnessed by the attending nurse -- and -- which indicates the precise time and date of birth and name of the hospital where said child was born. It is THE definitive certificate of birth, from which all others, including the one filed with the state of Hawaii, are derived.
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Why oh why is there this strange factionalism?
Why don’t people who speak out about the birth certificate also speak out about Obama’s father’s UK citizenship and his step-father’s Indonesian citizenship being passed on to BHO-II?
People, get your act together.
So, I will repost to show this is just not going anywhere in regard to the removal of Obama and Biden taking over. The people have decided, whether we were in agreement or not
Natural Born Citizen McCain,
Colero Also Challenged Denofrio Vs. Wells Barack Obama,
Birth Certificate,
Citizenship Questions Justice Clarence Thomas: Distributed Leo C. Denofrio’s renewed application For Conference on December 5
Beginning in October, Denofrio made his way up through the ranks of the courts until his constitutional question as to the meaning of “natural born citizen” reached the Supreme Court.
He submitted an application for an emergency stay to prohibit the use of what he called “defective ballots” in the state of New Jersey because they contained ineligible candidates for the office of President of the United States, and asked that the court order New Jersey Secretary of State (SOS) Nina Mitchell Wells to remove the names of Republican candidate John McCain, Democratic candidate Barack Obama and Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero from New Jersey ballots.
According to Denofrio, the three candidates are not “natural born citizens,” as required by the Constitution to hold the office of President of the United States.
Denofrio also quotes a section from the U.S. Department of State’s Foreign Affairs Manual, which states, “Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”
“The Foreign Affairs Manual also addresses the issue of eligibility for president as such: “It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.”
Denofrio cites 8 USC 1402(a): that McCain may claim his citizenship because of the statute. But does that make McCain a “natural born citizen”?
Denofrio states, “McCain is in the class of citizens who obtain their citizenship at birth, but not from the Constitution, but rather federal statute.”
...had the U.S. legislature intended to grant ‘natural born citizen’ status to all who were born on U.S. soil, then the 14th Amendment would contain the words ‘natural born citizen,’ but it doesn’t … McCain was born in Panama. Panama is not considered U.S. soil, nor has it ever been considered as such.”
The Naturalization Act of 1790 stated, “… the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens …” However, Denofrio points out the Naturalization Act of 1795 specifically repealed the 1790 act and replaced it with the same clause except with the words “natural born” deleted. Denofrio states McCain was born in Panama, Calero was born in Nicaragua and Obama’s birthplace has not been verified.
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Not until Congress and the SCOTUS get involved in this case will it ever be resolved.
I kept on thinking that Obama may come up with a legitimate COLB. But then again, if these documents are extant, what is his reason to hide them and paying lawyer fees in the hundreds of thousand of dollars in order to stonewall the case. Where is the equivalent of “Deep Throat” that Nixon had to contend with in the Watergate affair?
My opinion is that the Watergate affair is insignificant compared with the absence of Obama’s true identification. In these dangerous times it is absolutely critical that the American people know who they have in the WH.
Not only lying but also putting himself in a position of shaming us for not letting him run for President, calling us racist liars and what not.
Shame on the sham artist. This is typical muslim tactic of pedophiles. They are good at this creep manipulation of kids they abuse.
If some of the Electoral College voted for Obama; would their votes be null and void without proper proof?
This issue isn’t going away because there is legitimate question about Obama’s eligibility. Gary Kreep indicated during his interview with me that there are more lawsuits being brought, many of them without fanfare in an effort to avoid threats to person and property. I suspect there are suits being brought on behalf of several — maybe even most — of the states in the union.
The electors have a responsibility to uphold the Constitution in the conduct of casting their votes. If they cannot establish conclusively if Obama is a natural born citizen, what then?
Time will tell what is to become of this. Obama’s men who surround him and the media who protect him are powerful. Are they more powerful than the lower courts? The Supreme Court? I fervently hope not. Let truth and justice prevail.
Meantime, I subscribe to the Edmund Burke quote below. I know you do too.
If the electoral college chooses to do nothing about this travesty then we should discuss whether we should support it, if it will not insure a free and honest election then it has no place in American politics.
Maybe a third world country could use it instead.
I can just imagine if all the GOP party was to boycott or ignore the electoral college in the future IF they chose to not follow the proper procedures now.
The best interests of the country will then come into play. Especially in a time of war and International unrest. How so many crises could suddenly surface during one's presidency (Bush), is very unusual and skeptics would suggest a patient, calculated enemy within.
You're more "in tune" on this subject than I.
However, I would be surprised if this generates more than a hoarse audience of the very diligent few. If nothing else was going on of great magnitude, then maybe I would think otherwise.
In regard to the main culprits, the media: There should be a Code of Ethics for all journalists/ News (disclosure of commentary aside) in which the individual or collective individuals are held responsible and punishable under a designated committe of their peers as in other fields dealing with distributing information to the public-say in real estate, law, insurance etc. In journalism there seems only a "voluntarily" code.
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In the U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1, it states:
No person except a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Title 8 of the U.S. Code explains what “natural born citizen” means:
▪ Anyone born inside the United States.
▪ Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe.
▪ Anyone born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
▪ Anyone born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national.
▪ Anyone born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year.
▪ Anyone found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21.
▪Anyone born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time).
▪ A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born. For example, separate sections of the U.S. Code address territories that the United States has acquired over time, such as Puerto Rico, Alaska, Hawaii, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Guam. And the law contains one other section about the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. It states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was "declared" to be a United States citizen.
Because this section doesn’t carry the words "natural-born" or "citizen at birth," this became an issue for Sen. John McCain when he ran for president in 2000. But that issue was resolved when it was found that McCain was considered a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person.
On the other hand, I can think of no reason why any eligible person with a temperament even remotely suited to being president would be unwilling to do that. Even if there are details in the records that would be embarrassing, that's no basis not to make them available to the court and have it reveal the essential fact necessary for his eligibility.
If Barack isn't eligible, anyone who would allow him to take power to avoid the riots that might otherwise ensue would be, quite literally, surrendering the Constitution to mob rule.
That's exactly why he can't produce the birth certificate. It will unravel his whole life. It is the key to everything about him.
It may well be that the details are far more than embarrassing and provide evidence that he is dishonest and unfit to be president. Embarrassing details can be easily explained and smoothed over by the media. A revelation of self-serving deceipt would be career ending.
There is no legal reason why Obama should have to release any information which could be even remotely damaging to an eligible person. He could authorize the state of Hawaii to officially a statement resembling any of the following:
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