Obama's Online "Birth Certificate" is Not Evidenciary, Says Professional Forensic Document Examiner

Investigating Obama ^ | 12-29-2008 | Arlen Williams & Phil at the Right Side of Life

[unspun]

While addressing your attention to the featured article in The Right Side of Life, I.O. suggests one potential and essential reason that Barack Obama has spent approximately one million dollars to keep his actual Hawaiian birth certificate undisclosed:

Whatever it shows or fails to show, as to his place of birth, his Hawaiian birth certificate ostensibly demonstrates that Barack Hussein Obama I is his father. While not a new revelation, that would become compelling procedural evidence that he is not a natural born Citizen and is therefore not constitutionally permitted to be U.S. president.

On the other hand, Sandra Ramsey explains why Obama's "online COLB" is not evidence.

Keyes v. Lingle: Case Dismissed; Forensic Examiner Disproves Online COLB

Submitted by Phil on Mon, Dec 29, 2008

Another case that had been flying under the radar was Keyes v. Lingle, where the Constitution Party and Dr. Amb. Alan Keyes were petitioning against Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle, Chief Elections Officer Kevin B. Cronin, and various other Defendants as a means of holding an official accountable for determining Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility.

Documentation:

• Dismissed on December 5 (HTML/PDF)
• Motion to Reconsider dismissed on December 12 (HTML/PDF)

You will notice that the case was dismissed on a technicality (according to the judge, the Plaintiffs referred to the wrong Hawaiian statute(s)), not on content.

However, the bigger story to this lawsuit is the fact that forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines (pictured) has documented in an associated affidavit (PDF) the following:

2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” [PDF] who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.

3. Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for oliterating it.

4. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all. [emphasis mine]

The above clearly illustrates that it is impossible to determine eligibility based on the widely-circulated certification of live birth and that the only way to determine Barack Hussein Obama’s natural born citizenship status is to retrieve the currently-sealed certificate of live birth.

It appears that we’re dealing with an individual who has so much to hide on so little a document.

Now, one cannot say this online COLB is evidence of absolutely nothing. That is because it is "natural" evidence of its own existence, also that it is purported to be about Obama's citizenship. It is "natural" evidence of this, because that is self-evidently true, even though the online COLB is not the evidence it is purported to be (of Obama being an American citizen of any kind). And that, by the way, may become criminal evidence of fraud.

Why did I even write that? I am writing that to explain what "natural" means, in law. It means self-evident. E.g., a person demonstrably born to American parents in America is a natural born Citizen of America, but a person born to a foreign father and who thusly takes on his father's citizenship in another nation is not a natural born Citizen of America. That is, his citizenship is not self-evident, rather unclear, in doubt, needs further work, adulterated, etc., since one may be a citizen of only one nation at a time and international law holds that this person is a citizen of his father's nation, by hereditary right. That is what the term, natural born Citizen means, in Article II of the United States Constitution.

[Gemsbok]

I’ve read some of the challenges to your research and they focus on attacking you personally and not on the data and obvious results and conclusions.

Specifically, they do not address the difference in the change in state seals or the border differences. They intentionally ignore all the inconsistencies.

Similiarily, has anyone defended the obvious inaccuracies and inconsistencies regarding the Selective Service Registration form from Deb. Schussel’s site?

It seems to have many of the same problems that you have identified with the bogus posted COLB.

It employed the wrong usage of the forms for the year issued, wrong usage of serial numbers and wrong usage of postal seal or stamp for the year processed.

Wrong, wrong, wrong = BOGUS-POTUS

[Gemsbok]

“expert in azz prints and Jugs JPGs” while they bring out their own “expert” to knock my knockers analysis”

Ha! Perhaps you are an expert there, but I would likely defer judgment to a team of cosmetic surgeons!!

[Polarik]

You're right about the SS registration form having similar problems. I'm sure that if we had an entire paper-trail of Obama documents (the bulk of which have been lost or destroyed), they would either be outright forgeries or contain false information wherever historical data is requested - like his application to law school.

Bambi's run for the Presidency formerly began in 2004 with his DNC keynote address. From that point onwards, everything has been carefully orchestrated to make 2008 become 2012, the year pundits projected him to seek it.

But, I've been thinking about this thread and its implications. I'm almost tempted to write a companion post and call it, "It's the forgery, stupid!" because of something I said earlier. A natural-born US citizen would not create a forgery to prove that he is a natural-born US citizen.

The Obama team probably thought they had this in the bag when they tried to pass off this bogus COLB as his "original birth certificate." It would have been tough to forge and post a long-form birth certificate, but they thought that they did not have to make one since Hawaii does not make copies of them anymore.

Boy, was that a dumb move or what?

[Gemsbok]

One would think that with the kind of money that he has raised combined with criminal element that he has associated himself with that he could have splurged and had the job(s) done right.

He should have hired well-seasoned professionals that would have produced impeccable documentation and no one would have batted an eye.

[Polarik]

FYI: Anti-Mullah led off Tuesday's blog by making my rebuttal to Dr K's screed a "Must Read":

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2008/12/details-pro-con-polarik.html

Interesting for him to say that Dr K was on Obama's spin team.

[Polarik]

Seems like they rushed to create one after Jim Geraghty’s National Review Online article that appeared on June 9 raising the issue about Obama not being a US citizen. Before that, I had no idea it was even an issue. I was more concerned about Obama’s vision for the future of America when I listened to his keynote speech on 2004

[MHGinTN]

He has a major ex-CIA working for him now, the man who owns the company which was one of the sources that accessed Obambi’s passport files illegally. Any guesses as to why they needed to get in those a third time?

[seekthetruth]

GREAT VIDEO AT THE LINK BELOW TO HELP FOLKS LEARN THE TRUTH.

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/

[unspun]

Good.

[TheCipher]

Bad placement on my part. I noticed it right after I posted. When I said "No, this case was filed after the election" , I was referring to his original question about the Keyes v. Lingle case, not the Berg case. What I was referring to in the Berg case was when he asked Why hasn't anyone made a Freedom of Information Action (FOIA) request of the State Department for Barack Obama's passport file? Since I put that statement after talking about the Berg case in the previous statement, I should have specified I was talking about he Lingle case when I said "this" case.

[armourup]

If perchance Obama’s true birth history is outed... and he is outed; there is no doubt social upheaval will follow. At what point do the non-sheep start pointing fingers at the REAL culprit here... the press. In the era of internet it is now possible for a grassroots efforts to spread truth outside of the MSM. They no longer have a monopoly

[screaming eagle2]

The certificate isn’t a birth certificate.It is a registration. Two differant things