Posted on 10/20/2009 3:00:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Many are STILL discussing the birth issue surrounding President Obama. This apparently is not going away, anytime soon.
Received this email yesterday from the United States Justice Foundation, a non-profit organization. You will read some of the arguments made before this court, by the DOJ and the USJF.
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From The Desk Of Gary G. Kreep, United States Justice Foundation.
Barack Obama is sweating it out after his Department of Justice ("DOJ") attorneys walked into court expecting United States Federal District Court Judge David Carter to dismiss the birth certificate case. Why you ask? Simply because they "think" Obama is President. Their arguments were hollow and unconvincing. and after hearing hours of argument, the Judge Carter "took the matter under submission." He has still not issued a ruling, 10 days later!
Is The President Above The Law and the Courts?
DOJ attorneys tried to explain to the Judge that no Court in the United States had the jurisdiction to rule on whether Barack Hussein Obama was eligible to serve as President of the United States? In their view he could only be impeached and/or disqualified from the Office of President under the 25th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution.
NOT TRUE! USJF pointed out to the Court that both the impeachment statutes, and the 25th Amendment required a sitting President, but if Mr. Obama is not eligible to serve as President, he could not be, and never was, a sitting President, so those options for removal could not apply. Therefore the courts would have jurisdiction.
Monday, October 5, 2009, , at 8:30 a.m., in California, was a critical milestone for our entire legal and public relations effort to force Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate and to prove whether he is eligible to serve as President of the United States. And with your support USJF was able to be there to argue the case.
The case has an excellent chance to survive the Department of Justice ("DOJ") motion to dismiss what has proven to be the best chance for America to have a hearing on the merits of this critical Constitutional issue.
What happened that day in Court? It's very simple—the DOJ attorneys brought up every argument that they could to try to persuade the Court to dismiss this case USJF provided sound legal arguments against the DOJ legal theories; otherwise the whole case could have been over right then and there! The USJF oral arguments will be the difference between this case surviving or being dismissed.
The Judge raised issues critical to our case:
1. Did Senators question the eligibility of Mr. Obama? (Only Senators Coburn and Shelby and a number of House members.)
2. Were objections made by Members of Congress when the vote of the Electoral College was certified? (NO, then Vice-President Cheney had not performed his required duty of asking for objections, so there could have been none raised.)
DOJ attorneys argued that only Congress, and/or the Electoral College, could decide on the eligibility of Mr. Obama. Fortunately, the USJF legal team filed pleadings pointing out that the DOJ legal arguments in this regard WERE WRONG! And, I was there to argue against those claims.
People at the hearing and those who have found out what happened there since have been contacting USJF, thanking us for standing up for the truth!
But the fight is not over yet! We expect a ruling from the Court any day now. If we defeat the dismissal motion, then we're immediately filing pleadings ("discovery") seeking Mr. Obama's birth certificate, his college records, and so much more. AND, we'll be seeking to depose Mr. Obama ASAP!
And if the Court grants the motion to dismiss, we'll be immediately filing an appeal of the decision!
But we can only do this if we have your financial support!
Judge Carter has set a trial date of January 26, 2010 in this case. To keep that date, we need to defeat the DOJ dismissal motion, and then, IMMEDIATELY, move right into the discovery phase discussed above. BUT THAT WILL BE VERY EXPENSIVE AND WE WILL NEED TO:
* Retain attorneys in Washington, D. C., to take the Obama deposition.
* Retain attorneys in Hawaii to take the deposition of those in control of the Obama birth records and school records.
* Take the deposition of Occidental, College officials to obtain Obama school records.
* We will have to retain attorneys in Massachusetts to take the deposition of Harvard. Law School officials to obtain Obama school records.
* Pay the cost of the court reporters for all of these depositions. Plus,
* Pay the cost of serving the subpoenas on the various witnesses.
We expect the DOJ, as well as Mr. Obama's private attorneys, to fight us every step of the way! Obama attorneys will file motions to block the depositions in each and every state, and the District of Columbia by the Obama defense team!
WE WILL NEED MORE HELP TO:
Question the issue of the passport files of Mr. Obama! We're going to be going after the records of how he traveled abroad without a United States Passport in the 1980's, as he admits doing.
Question the issue of his alleged adoption by his step-father in Indonesia! We'll be seeking records about that also!
Resolve questions about his Selective Service files!
We'll be seeking records concerning that also! But, first, we have to get past the DOJ dismissal motion!
The DOJ's motion to dismiss also claims that our clients have no "standing," that the Federal Court does not have "jurisdiction" to hear this case, and that the matter is "political."
But, if we as citizens of the United States have no "standing" to verify the citizenship of the man occupying the White House, who does?
If our Federal Courts have no jurisdiction to hear this case, who does? It's not a "political" question, it's a CONSTITUTIONAL question!
Last November, people said we were crazy to pursue this issue. Now, we've been shown to be right in our pursuit of the truth. It's not just the original birth certificate that they're refusing to release. Barack Obama's legal team has spent, according to published reports, over $1.4 million dollars so far to STOP anyone from seeing ANY of his actual identification documents, and many other documents.
WHAT is Barack Obama trying to hide? WHAT is he afraid of? WHY doesn't he just release these documents to prove he is a natural-born citizen and therefore qualified to be president -- especially his actual birth certificate?
When Barack Obama officially entered the office of President, he became, in essence, a "pretender to the throne." According to the Constitution, only a "natural born citizen" can occupy the presidency.
Even though he was sworn in on January 20, 2009, Barack Obama is NOT legally the President of the United States, unless he can prove that he is a "natural born citizen."
What's more, every action taken by him while he occupies the White House may be invalid. If he cannot legally be President, every law passed by Congress will be null and void because the Constitution clearly requires that all laws be signed by the President... and, without a legally elected and sworn in President in office, that becomes an impossibility.
This crisis must be ended! And it must be ended NOW! HELP US MAKE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA PROVE IF HE IS ELIGIBLE TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
And that's just what we're fighting to do. The United States Justice Foundation is spearheading a campaign to protect the United States Constitution... and your liberty.
We have to press our case to stop Barack Obama from, apparently, illegally holding the Presidency, despite the ongoing threats against us. We are speaking of filing additional lawsuits and administrative actions, over and above the dozens already filed, if you will help us today.
Are you willing to see the Constitution shredded by the Left? Will you sit back and do nothing while a foreign-born person may be illegally occupying the White House as President of the United States?
Our country is on the fast track to disaster... but you can help us keep the situation from getting worse. I pray that I'll hear from you today.
Sincerely, Gary Kreep, Executive Director United States Justice Foundation
P.S. This is the biggest political cover-up in American history! It would be so simple to release the documents to PROVE Obama is a natural-born citizen… IF THEY HAD THE DOCUMENTS!
America has never before faced such a threat. Everything we hold dear is at risk with Barack Obama sitting as President without him releasing his actual birth certificate, plus the dozens of other documents that he refuses to produce.
Please remember that we are fighting in the California Appellate Court system.
Barack Hussein Obama thinks he can get away with DUPING the American people and DESTROYING the U.S. Constitution. DON'T LET HIM DO IT!
No, he doesn’t and neither do the other birthers. This is what is keeping thier blood pumping. When it IS finally over, we will need to be there for them.
parsy, who is ready to deprogram them
The birthers don’t have a strategy. They also do not have a case. Soon, they will not even have their pride. They will come slinking onto various threads apologizing for their delusions and as good freepers we will need to welcome them back like the prodigal children they are.
parsy, who will kill the fatted chicken for them ( I can’t afford a whole calf)
Oh really. Do you mean the Certification of Live Birth, aka long form, from the hospital where he was hatched? If so, please direct me to it because I have not seen it.
It will never be over for them. Obama's mysterious long-from hospital birth certificate will remain cloaked in darkness forever more.
I mean the official document that Hawaii issues when one requests their birth certificate. As I said, birthers don’t accept it.
If a politician says one thing and then seals or hides all information to verify it, I think that is a red alert for the sake of all our families to seek the truth.
Don’t give up too soon. There is a higher power and that is Jesus.
“obama seems to have unlimited funds...”
That’s why we need to enact a policy of Loser Pays.
Your lies are a nice complement to your illiteracy.
Bumperoo!
“...the birth issue surrounding President Obama. This apparently is not going away, anytime soon.”
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The longer this issue is allowed to linger, the less likely it will ever be resolved. It grows like an untreated cancer.
It is shameful that the answer to a president’s BC has to be kept hidden from the American people for so long a time. This government does not want to get to the truth because the truth will only show how widespread the conspiracy is. It has become an unheard of event in the history of this nation.
To: MestaMachine
It’s incredibly simple. Just don’t attack other posters.262 posted on Sunday, October 18, 2009 6:12:43 PM by Jim Robinson
Maybe, but then again it could just be plain ‘ol nosiness.
parsy, who says, like him or not, he’s YOUR president
We have to think positively here. One day they will wake up, as if from a dream, and they will be so embarrassed they will change their FR screen names. Sometime in 2011, when Obama finds the time right, he will release the long form if it helps him in the polls. In the meantime, let’s pray they do not damage the conservative cause too much.
parsy, who is trying to think of a more useful conspiracy for them
What’s up with Judge Carter? Did I miss something? Did he ever come up with a decision?
No reason to be scared of the truth , if the president is an honest person why fight it.
Who said he was an honest person?
Parsifal, I’m inclined to think you’re Eggs Ackley right!
Kreep got some face time as he ejected trouble maker John Ziegler from a CPAC meeting recently. Ziegler went to confront CPAC’s director, with his having donated to the reelection of RINO Arlen Spector while slighting the true conservative.
Taitz legal tactics can be questioned, but she clearly knows that it is harder, perhaps impossible, to attack through our compromised legal system if the public doesn't know about it. She understands the necessity of keeping in front of the public - and willing to take the attacks from both sides stimulated by her public exposure.
Kerchner/Apuzzo have an almost immaculate case languishing in federal district court since July because, in my opinion, the livelihood, friendships, and perhaps physical safety of the justices are certain to be threatened. The “Retired Marine” judge Carter, who convinced Taitz to forego a certain hearing because the defendents failed to respond in exchange for his word that the case would be heard has just acquired a legal assistant from the law firm defending Obama, and run by Maoist Anita Dunn's husband. Coincidence?
This is about the life of our nation. Kreep is diminishing the efforts of patriots. Who knows if his motives are sinister. His actions are having that effect. He is also on Taitz’ legal team at the insistence of Judge Carter. Coincidence? He, not Taitz or the defense, requested a delay from the previous court date. Coincidence?
Our heros are dying in Afghanistan as our commander in chief modifies the rules of engagement to favor the natural born citizens of other nations. Kreep is obstructing the discovery of the too obvious fact, attested to by Obama, that Obama Sr. was a British citizen and thus was the son. We are being led by a dual or foreign citizen, of what country we are not allowed by our legal system to ask. If the law does not resolve this question we are headed for revolution. Kreep should put away his collection baskets.
Support Kerchner, or Donofrio, or Taitz, or anyone willing to attempt to force judicial review. We still may have a few patriotic judges, though the soft revolution we are experiencing has been accomplished, in part, through the appointment of politically compliant judges. That is why Congress has just approved the appointment of about 60 more. Our supreme court knows well of the president's ineligibility. Congress had hearings on McCain's NBC status and all know. There aren't many now who don't need to be replaced if we are to be a nation based upon The Constitution. Every legislator is willing to pretend Article II Section 1 Cl. 5 doesn't exist, or, like parrots, repeat the mantra "...it isn't defined in the Constitution." No; it is common law, cited and repeated in a dozen supreme court cases, including by Chief Justice John Marshall, attorney, friend of Washington and Madison, approver of the Constitution for the Virginia Federation, in The Venus, 12 U.S. 253, p 289. There is no doubt about who is and is not a natural born citizen. The U.S. is not currently in compliance with our Constitution.
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