Posted on 11/10/2009 11:55:00 AM PST by B-Chan
The remedy, obviously, it to retain strict and clear separation from the state.
There is an odd mutant offshoot of what calls itself “conservatism” that is defeatist at best and quisling at worst, in that it hopes to enlist the enemies of civilization generally into its domestic partisan causes. See for example Neville, er, Dinesh D’Sousa’s latest scribblings and the disdain with which they were deservedly greeted here.
The same way in which it was paid for in the Middle Ages.
(Really, evading the question is -- I won't say "unlike you" because that would be a lie... I won't say "pathetic" because, while true, it would be rude -- so I'll say it's "unimpressive".)
The desire for “a true free republic where individual freedom is paramount and no man is a king” is not part of the patrimony of faith left for us by the Apostles. Instead, we are told “fear God; honor the King” (1 Pet 2:17).
“The same way in which it was paid for in the Middle Ages.”
Rape, pillage, feudalism, plague, conquest, oppression, etc.?
This must be a joke.
Going on a complete tangent here, but I always wondered what a person in Jesus’ day could do to get a 100% capital gain. I suppose you’d have to invest in livestock or something.
Because there is no such thing as a "conservative" Roman Catholic. Not after they've all lined up behind Ratzinger's "global authority" encyclical.
Double-talking fascism -- global power over everything in the hands of a few, self-appointed despots.
The problem arises from the fact the papacy has no clue as to the mind renewed by the Holy Spirit or the liberty of a Christian conscience.
At least with the issuance of this duplicitous document Roman Catholic apologists can never maintain Rome believes in freedom or democracy or individual initiative. (Not that it ever did; Rome's always been a mobster unto itself.)
Through all this communistic drivel we have to wonder how William Buckley would have reacted to the pope's treacherous edict. Under the guise of helping the poor Rome seeks to enslave the sweaty masses once again, urging that America give up her sovereignty, defense, courts, social policies, immigration laws, borders and legal system to some "global authority."
Rome has become an enemy to America's very survival.
God willing, all mysticism and tyranny will go the way of the guillotine...unless Ratzinger wants to bring that back, too.
Then move to Spain.
“Technological improvements aside, Spain of the sigla de oro was a paradise compared to any modern secular megastate.”
Yeah, that killing and expelling of Jews by the State was so cool.
The Vedas teach that the ideal government is a righteous king - a Rajarshi - which is a combination of the two words Raja - king, and rishi - wise holy man.
A society where dog-like men (no offense to dogs, they are what they are, but people should not resemble them) elect other dog-like men leads us exactly to what we have today.
Of course, kings or other rulers who are dog-like are not better. The problem is really with animalistic immoral people, not exactly the form of government.
With no due respect, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
I am proud to be a conservative Roman Catholic and there are many like me. Feel free to disagree with Catholics all you like but don't presume there aren't any conservative Catholics.
Maybe if the Catholic Church had reformed its abuses there would have been no need for a Protestant "heresy", commonly called "The Reformation".
Also...Is this guy actually suggesting that we as a society should return to a government and church relationship that existed before Martin Luther? UNBELIEVABLE!
The ranks of the Catholic hierarchy and intelligentsia is full to overflowing with idiots like this writer. It is one among many reasons why I started looking for a different church 30 years ago. Wow! Am I ever glad to be out of the hold of this nuttiness!
This reminds one of Max Weber's thesis about the inner connection between capitalism and Calvinism, between the formation of the economic order and the determining religious idea. Marx's notion seems to be almost inverted: it is not the economy that produces religious notions, but the fundamental religious orientation that decides which economic system can develop. The notion that only Protestantism can bring forth a free economy whereas Catholicism includes no corresponding education to freedom and to the self-discipline necessary to it, favoring authoritarian systems instead is doubtless even today still very widespread, and much in recent history seems to speak for it.Related threads:
- Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI), Market Economy and Ethics, 1985"...Protestants showed a special tendency to develop economic rationalism; that is, a particular approach to creating wealth that was less focused on the gain of comfort than on the pursuit of profit itself. The particular satisfaction was not in the money extracted to buy things (which had always driven money making in the past), but in wealth creation based on increased productivity and better use of resources."
- Book review: The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, by Max Weber
Great perspective.
It's kind of hard to believe that people who claim to be conservative come to FR and advocate the destruction of the Republic and union of church and state.
Feel free to disagree with the polls all you want, but don't presume conservative Catholics make up anything remotely close to a majority of professing Catholics in the world today - and don't assume that your Pope agrees with your politics.
...let me once again share the four-pronged typology that a veteran priest here in Washington, D.C., gave me a few years ago. There are, he said, four kinds of Catholics in this country and, thus, four Catholic votes on almost any issue. Any news report that lumps these groups together isnt worth very much.Related threads:* Ex-Catholics. Solid for the Democrats. Cultural conservatives have no chance.
* Cultural Catholics who may go to church a few times a year. This may be one of those all-important undecided voters depending on whats happening with the economy, foreign policy, etc. Leans to Democrats.
* Sunday-morning American Catholics. This voter is a regular in the pew and may even play some leadership role in the parish. This is the Catholic voter that is really up for grabs, the true swing voter that the candidates are after.
* The sweats the details Roman Catholic who goes to confession. Is active in the full sacramental life of the parish and almost always backs the Vatican, when it comes to matters of faith and practice. This is a very small slice of the American Catholic pie.
IIRC, this country was initially settled by people fleeing religious persecution. To their credit they didn't preclude members of churches that had been persecutors from being allowed to come here. Instead they embraced the philosophy of the enlightenment that we could reason together and the truth would be revealed. Of course it requires an educated populace to be able to reason together.
Any one here want to agree with such an outlandish statement?
I know many (not all) Freepers are trying to purge anyone here who doesn't worship Sarah Palin, but it would be news to me if most Freepers agree with the statement that there aren't ANY conservative Catholics. Actually it would be news to a lot of people in my home state of Louisiana.
I put up with enough anti-Catholic bigotry from the likes of Maureen Dowd. If conservatives want to be the angry, white Southern Protestant party, it's going to be a minority party for a long, long time to come.
This may change in the next couple years. The reason being the economy. When our economy was strong it was a magnet attracting large numbers of immigrants from the south (legal & illegal). Now that the economy is in bad shape and bleeding jobs (unemployment 10.2 - 17.8% depending on which stat you use) a large number of these immigrants are going back. As the numbers shrink the % of native born RC's will increase. I think the conservatives in this church are found in this pool.
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