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[Thanks, David.]
Posted on 01/25/2010 9:05:13 AM PST by opentalk
THERE IS MUCH EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT AN AGREEMENT WAS MADE TO PUSH OBAMA AND IGNORE THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT
I believe that the RNC and DNC at the highest levels in 2008 were both complicit in shutting down all discussion of Obama’s eligibility issue in the Congress, Main Stream Media, Print Press, and in the leading conservative Talk Show radio stations.
I believe that the RNC and the DNC were complicit in subverting Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of our Constitution as to the eligibility requirements for the Office of the President, i.e., the person eligible for that office must be a “natural born Citizen“, i.e., one born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country such that the child born has singular and sole allegiance at birth to the USA and no citizenship at birth with any other country via his parents or due to the place or location of birth.
A natural born Citizen needs no law or resolution of Congress to give or clarify citizenship status. Natural born Citizenship status can only be obtained by the facts of nature at the child’s birth. This is natural law. This is what the founders and framers of our Constitution required for the singular and most powerful office of the President and Commander in Chief of the military.
John Jay and George Washington put that requirement into the Constitution for exactly the reason that the person serving in that office would have no foreign influences on him/her at birth due to the facts and circumstances of his/her citizenship at birth. Only “natural born Citizenship” in the USA per natural law guarantees no other allegiance or citizenship claims by an another country at birth.
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I actually think we need a two-pronged approach in order for it all to work - and we’re on track for that, if we can bring enough public pressure to force a criminal investigation.
The way I see it, if we can inform the public and force a criminal investigation it will force the DC Court to not only do the Quo Warranto thing that Leo is asking for, the case will already be proven so they will have no choice (I know, I’m dreaming) but to agree that Obama was never eligible to be the president and thus has never been the president.
At that point the dems can try to figure out how to pass TARP 2 all over again and the spendulus and....
This information has been given to every lawmaker in Hawaii, the OIP, DOH, Ombudsman’s office, HI lieutenant governor’ and governor’s offices, Nebraska’s US attorney (who says they won’t take reports from citizens), and Hawaii’s director of the Department of Public Safety, as well as to multiple news organizations. The FBI thrice said they don’t investigate document fraud. All refused to act. Red flags.
US attorney "won’t take reports from citizens"?... The FBI don’t investigate document fraud?
So much for a Nation, where: "no one is above the law."
All pigs are equal, but some pigs -- in the newly minted America -- are DEFINITELY a hell of a lot MORE equal than other pigs!
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Bump Dat...
Once nominated, support McCain, or Bush, or Dole, or Bush I, or Gerald Ford, whatever their policy positions were because they were clearly better than the Democrat choice. Anyone who suggested that dissenters should not vote for McCain because he was the source of bad policies that were not in the interest of the Country was derided.
McCain is clearly not a natural born citizen any more than Obama is. There has never been any doubt on that issue--there wasn't any doubt when the Senate passed a resolution directing the Supreme Court to ignore the issue. But members here who ought to be at the front of the Constitutional argument were forcefully opposed to even talking about the McCain facts.
Frankly, I am disappointed that Sarah has agreed to campaign for McCain. Her excuse may well be that she owes him but I would like to hear her say so. In any event, we are fortunate to have other legitimate Conservative candidates in DeMint and Bachmann.
Between McCain and Obama? I'm not really sure it is possible to say one is worse than the other. Both support and advocate policies that are destructive of the foundations of our Republic. I don't see anything "lite" about McCain.
As to the point of this article, there is clearly some overriding force that precludes any open discussion of this issue. However in the face of that force, I believe current polling now indicates that 50% of America is now aware that Obama was born in Mombassa.
I tend to think that we are likely to see this issue turn around as people recognize the stakes. I am not sure what a preferred resolution ought to be. I think it's adverse to our interest to see Congress elect Mrs. Clinton which I see as an ultimate Constitutional resolution. But the issue has enough force at present that in the context of continuing erosion of support for Obama's policies and Administration, it is likely to be on the table as a legal Constitutional challange at some point.
Thanks for the warning, LucyT.
Got Mylanta and aspirin by my side.
Yes sir, The KING is going to clean house far sooner than folks think. Be ye ready to meet the KING!! CO
INDEED! INDEED!
Exactly.
I’ve spoken to several people who have tried to report to the FBI. It’s sad. Really, really sad. After the FBI worker in the local office told me three times that the FBI doesn’t investigate document fraud I went online to find out who does. I submitted an online report which was supposedly forwarded to... the FBI.
I went to my US attorney’s office. They said they only take cases referred to them by the FBI or local law enforcement.
I called my county sheriff. A: Interesting stuff; I’ll forward it to the County Attorney but we don’t have the money to investigate anything.
I called my state AG. A: Didn’t happen in Nebraska so we can’t touch it.
I contacted the US Attorney in Hawaii’s office. They wouldn’t give out contact information.
I contacted my governor. A: “I trust that those who confirm this information for federal elections have done their job accurately.”
Before the election I went to my Secretary of State. A: The media would never let somebody get away with fraud. We take the applicant at his word.
I went to the HI ombudsman’s office. A: We don’t investigate crimes. Report it to the police yourself.
I contacted the HI Director of the Dept of Public Safety the only way available - through a web form. No response. I tried using the e-mail address template with his info so I could e-mail him personally and have record that I contacted him. Bounced back as undeliverable.
I went to the OIP and DOH. A: We can’t reveal what’s on a birth certificate, even to law enforcement when we know there’s been a forgery. (But we CAN reveal whatever we want from a birth certificate in a public statement if we want to - even though the Administrative Rules that we’ve hidden for over a year absolutely forbid it)
This is absolutely an indictment of the condition of law enforcement in our country. It’s a sick, sick joke. It is rule by the mob.
I’m not so sure about McCain’s eligibility. I’ve seen it argued from early legal sources (can’t remember which ones) that the children of a nation’s ambassadors are natural born even if they are born on foreign soil while their parent is serving as ambassador in that foreign land.
I don’t know how the law classifies military folks, but I would consider them ambassadors of the US when serving abroad.
That issue is for the courts to decide. It frustrates me that the court can do all this penumbra mumbo-jumbo regarding stuff that’s not even in the Constitution, but a question that is directly from the Constitution won’t be addressed.
You can argue about anything. But a person born in another country under a foreign sovereign is not a natural born citizen for US Constitutional Law purposes no matter who his parents are or why he was there.
Ping to #51.
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One cannot fault your logic. But as a matter of fact, Congress would be under no obligation to proceed with Impeachment, and it is even less likely that the Senate would convict.
It simply does not follow that any finding of the courts, or any criminal indictment ... or even conviction ...would AUTOMATICALLY lead to Impeachment.
Good first step in a very, very long and arduous race.
It is this simple fact that is the beginning of the Cognitive Dissonance from which we are all presently suffering. Unless BHO,Jr. tells us now that he lied about who is father was, he is clearly ineligible.
In a way, the biggest "Birther" of them all is BHO,Jr., because he bases his eligibility solely on Hawaiian birth.
Of course, we must find out if that claim is true. Here is where he counts on confusion. If he were born in Hawaii, but what he told us about his father is true, he still would not be an eligible Natural Born Citizen.
The only way he can be an eligible Natural Born Citizen is if we discover that he lied to us about who his biological father may have been!
That, folks, is crazy. We are in a psycho ward and Dr. Obama has placed himself in charge.
What's even worse, IMHO, is that a vast number of our fellow citizens have accepted the ruse. On this site, freepers have told me that they consider the children of illegal aliens to be "Natural Born Citizens." In other words, regardless of Constitutional safeguards, eligibility to run for and serve as POTUS should be a "Civil Right."
Article II of the Constitution is not about Civil Rights. It is about National Security.
I have addressed that point several times but not for some period and am going to do so again now.
That argument, on the historical precedent based on English Common Law is probably correct. In the context of the current situation, it doesn't have any impact.
I know that many here see the law as a more mechanical setting that gets "correct" result. That isn't the way things come out in court. The system just doesn't produce results in that fashion. I don't like it; you may not like it; but it is the way it works and you need to adjust your thinking to the real world in order to be effective.
If you got that argument to the Supreme Court, you would lose at least 5-4 and maybe 9-0. If Obama could prove he was born in Hawaii, he would win. I believe if he thought he could win the born in Hawaii argument, he would have proceeded to bring the issue to a judicial resolution--because the rest of the argument is a non-issue in the current setting.
At this point, there is no real argument about where he was born. As I recall, there are now two true birth certificates in Judge Wrights court file in California, both clearly certifying that he was born in Mombasa. Taken in the context of other evidence, much of it not yet under oath, there just isn't any doubt about where Obama was born. There isn't any argument, factual, documentary or otherwise, that he was born in Hawaii.
And even given the clarity of the answer on the current record, there is still no certainty how the judicial system would come down on the question if the issue ever got to a real trier of fact. Given the highly charged political nature of the issue and the strong commitments that the political establishment has made to ignore it, you need to know that unless you have skilled prepared lawyers, the case probably gets lost in any event. We get lots of bad results from the legal system--we get lots of wrong findings of fact that never get reversed; it is the system we have got.
The rest of this stuff--argument about where his parent's were citizens and lay argument about Vittel is worthless in the real world of legal argument. And it is distractive of the main point--which is that the digital image posted on line regarding his Hawaii birth connection is not a real document; and even if it were, it does not prove anything about where he was born; and further, that there is abundant evidence, documentary and otherwise about where he was in fact born and it was not in the United States. He was born in Mombasa, part of modern day Kenya--no doubt.
It was not my intention to imply that impeachment or removal by Senate trial would be “obligated” or “automatic.” However if a president were to be convicted of a felony, it is highly likely that president would be viewed as a liability and a pariah to his own party.
Look at how quickly a Democratic majority got rid of Rod Blagojevich in Illinois last year and it is the Republican majority in South Carolina that is trying to get rid of Mark Sanford. And six out of seventeen Republicans voted to impeach Richard Nixon when the House Judiciary Committee drew up articles of impeachment. Losing those Republican votes is what convinced Nixon to resign because the full House voting the Articles out and a likely conviction by the Senate became a foregone conclusion.
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[Thanks, David.]
( Sitting here laughing.)
Wintertime ( a serious certificater!)
Thank you for all your work. Hopefully, the ice jam will break soon.
There are only two things that real steam me: Voter fraud and scamming the system.
With other political issues ( for example health care or tax and cap) I always feel that we can persuade our fellow citizens, or that natural consequences of poor political policies will result in a correction in later elections.
Obama with his eligibility is an example of not only scamming the system, it is fraud as well. Personally, I can't stand it. ( In the meantime the Dems are laughing at our discomfort.)
Thank you for all your work. Hopefully, the ice jam will break soon.
There are only two things that really steam me: Voter fraud and scamming the system.
With other political issues ( for example health care or tax and cap) I always feel that we can persuade our fellow citizens, or that natural consequences of poor political policies will result in a correction in later elections.
Obama with his eligibility is an example of not only scamming the system, it is fraud as well. Personally, I can't stand it. ( In the meantime the Dems are laughing at our discomfort.)
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