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Hawaii Wants to Fine Me After Framing Me
Butterdezillion | March 8, 2010 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 03/08/2010 8:08:30 PM PST by butterdezillion

The "Vexatious Requestor Bill" is moving forward. The Office of Taxation wants to fine people who are labeled "vexatious requestors" and Fukino has said there are 4-6 people who are all set to be labeled this. I am certain I am one of them. Fukino is asking for "facilitated passage" of this bill.

The comment will have the link to the testimony by Fukino and the taxation dept.

It will also have a link to the latest addition to my blog - a post describing how the DOH falsified the e-mail communications record in order to frame me as a "vexatious requestor".

They are out for blood.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; butterdezillion; certifigate; colb; eligibility; fascism; fraud; fukino; hawaii; ineligible; naturalborncitizen; obama; palin; treason; usurper
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Fukino's (late) testimony: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2010/Testimony/SB2937_TESTIMONY_JGO_02-23-10_LATE.pdf

My blog post showing DOH falsification of the e-mail record: http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/doh-falsifies-communication-record/

1 posted on 03/08/2010 8:08:30 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Okay. Try again.

Fukino’s (late) testimony: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2010/Testimony/SB2937_TESTIMONY_JGO_02-23-10_LATE.pdf
My blog post showing DOH falsification of the e-mail record: http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/doh-falsifies-communication-record/


2 posted on 03/08/2010 8:09:20 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Who’s axing them about what that they are all hot and bothered about?


3 posted on 03/08/2010 8:10:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: butterdezillion; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; DJ MacWoW

Pinging a few of you.


4 posted on 03/08/2010 8:11:25 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: butterdezillion

(I mean, like can you furnish us a coherent story about this from the beginning, not just the middle.)


5 posted on 03/08/2010 8:12:04 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: butterdezillion

In order to avoid the pancake on the bunny head...I believe that this thread is about Hawaii trying to go after people who they believe are asking (too often) for documents regarding Obama’s birth.


6 posted on 03/08/2010 8:12:15 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The basic run-down of the story is at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

The Hawaii folks have been breaking their laws right and left. They’re mad because I exposed them at it so they’re doing the Chicago way.

This may give us a prime reason to contact Governor Lingle’s office though - asking her to become informed on what is happening in her state and asking her to promise to veto this bill if it is passed.


7 posted on 03/08/2010 8:14:54 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: icwhatudo

Gee, this would all go away if Obozo would just release A
REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
It is becoming more and more obvious that he does not have one.


8 posted on 03/08/2010 8:16:24 PM PST by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: icwhatudo; little jeremiah; butterdezillion; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; ...
~Ping~

Hawaii Wants to Fine Me After Framing Me

In order to avoid the pancake on the bunny head...I believe that this thread is about Hawaii trying to go after people who they believe are asking (too often) for documents regarding Obama’s birth.

9 posted on 03/08/2010 8:19:09 PM PST by LucyT
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To: butterdezillion

Did all of your info get sent to Lingle’s office to show who is lying?


10 posted on 03/08/2010 8:19:26 PM PST by luv2ndamend (They call themselves greens because they're too yellow to admit they're reds.)
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To: AlexW
No problem:

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11 posted on 03/08/2010 8:19:27 PM PST by freedumb2003 ( Tagline lost -- anyone seen it?)
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To: little jeremiah

It took so long for me to document for the post I put up today that I didn’t even take time to let John Charlton or anybody else know about this. Today and tomorrow are busy work days for me and my kids are going nuts wanting homework checked, but I wanted to get this out there because they are definitely out for blood.

If you guys could help get the story out there it would be great. I’ve already taken more time today than I should have on this. You guys are great.


12 posted on 03/08/2010 8:19:42 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Someone needs to take Hawaii to court. They are stepping over the line. They can’t fine people for asking questions.


13 posted on 03/08/2010 8:21:14 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: butterdezillion

This is madness.


14 posted on 03/08/2010 8:21:36 PM PST by thecodont
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To: luv2ndamend

I’ve forwarded lots of stuff to Lingle and to Lt Gov Aiona, as well as to all the members of Hawaii’s House and Senate. That’s why they’re mad. They know how guilty their whole government is and they hate it that they’ve been exposed.

If you read the post on my blog you’ll see that there is a LOT of information. It should have been so easy for them to just give what they’re supposed to. But every bit of information is like pulling teeth. I would love to show everybody all the communications so you could see what these people have been up to, but somebody like Lingle would never have time to go through it all.


15 posted on 03/08/2010 8:22:12 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: AlexW

Yep.

Twenty five bucks tops and it is history, if bammy is not hiding somthing that will blow his ENTIRE game.

His current bill appears to be around two million dollars.

Two million dollars to hide a $25 BC is smoke, flame, fire, welding sparks, forest fire, spewing volcano, nuclear reaction, etc...


16 posted on 03/08/2010 8:23:03 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: butterdezillion

If Hawaii does this... these knuckleheads are opening a way to get them into court.


17 posted on 03/08/2010 8:24:29 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: butterdezillion; LucyT; null and void

LucyT has ping list, nully as well I think. They’ll ping everyone. I am a noted techtard.


18 posted on 03/08/2010 8:24:30 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Red Steel

This becomes a serious first amendment issue if they start trying to limit access to government.


19 posted on 03/08/2010 8:24:43 PM PST by edge919
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To: Red Steel

Hmm. Yes.


20 posted on 03/08/2010 8:24:45 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: butterdezillion

Well, Obama has been pretty good at presiding over the passage of various ex post facto laws.

But it does seem to me that what you describe would violate the basic rule of law, if they try to pass a new law to punish a “crime” that was committed before the law forbidding it was on the books.

In fact, ex post facto application of the law has been considered wrong ever since Magna Carta.

Perhaps they are pretending to clarify existing law. Still, I would think that the worst they could do would be to forbid any future “harrassment.”


21 posted on 03/08/2010 8:26:32 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: butterdezillion

I’m not a fan of the ACLU, but this is actually something that would be down their alley. Hawaii is opening themselves up for a court battle ... one that might finally force the original Obama birth records out into the public.


22 posted on 03/08/2010 8:29:42 PM PST by edge919
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To: butterdezillion

Thanks, I read them. The problem is someone exposing them.


23 posted on 03/08/2010 8:30:46 PM PST by luv2ndamend (They call themselves greens because they're too yellow to admit they're reds.)
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To: butterdezillion

Get some legal representation that has not been involved with your cases so far.

Sounds like a bill of attainder now that it’s on record to be targeting only 4 to 6 people in the state.

You can also find some media allies here, point out the state is curtailing sunshine laws and FOIA laws in a tyrannical attempt to destroy the 1st amendment rights of the people and the professionals who want open and honest government. Someone on those islands will have interest piqued if they see that angle as a good headliner.


24 posted on 03/08/2010 8:39:04 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: butterdezillion

X... just marking my spot so I can continue to follow this thread.

Keep up the good work!


25 posted on 03/08/2010 8:47:36 PM PST by Diver Dave
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To: Cicero

The thing of it is, they don’t have any laws saying how many requests you can make, whether you can ask for the same thing somebody else asked for already, whether you can associate with other people to reduce the number of requests necessary, whether you can appeal to the OIP if you are wrongly denied, etc. All the stuff I’ve done is legal. The whole determination is whether they are bothered by it.

In the instances where they gave answers that I was able to understand as conforming to the law I didn’t ask anything more about that. One person I know of has NEVER asked a SINGLE question about Obama. Her only requests have been for things they are required to have available and to make public.

This is entirely a punitive law - punishing people for the DOH folks feeling frazzled.

Well, they wouldn’t feel frazzled if they would just answer the stinkin’ questions as required by law. Jeesh.


26 posted on 03/08/2010 8:51:36 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
'Vexatious requester" law or not, to prosecute you for any action taken prior to the passage of a law against that action is to be prosecuting under ex post facto provisions of that law, and that is unconstitutional.

The most they could do is attempt to stifle further actions under any new law, and the passage of such a law would indicate that they are hiding something.

Which, of course, they are.

27 posted on 03/08/2010 8:55:23 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: butterdezillion

I noticed the DOH mentioned states where they were getting mulitple requests. One was Arizona, so I’m wondering if that’s Linda Bentley, the reporter for the Sonoran Desert News who wrote about the selective service forms. The point is that this law would infringe on the freedom of the press. butter, you should look her up and send her a note. A little teamwork might be necessary.


28 posted on 03/08/2010 8:55:38 PM PST by edge919
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To: JerseyHighlander

I’m a legal moron. I don’t know any of the terminology and I’m actually not involved in any cases because I can’t afford an attorney to represent me. I’m also not from Hawaii, which is the big complaint they’ve made in newspaper articles. Their laws say that “any person” has access to their records, but they hate it that people outside Hawaii are asking for records.

But for them to be making these drastic moves it should put red flags up for everybody. You don’t get rid of your open records law in order to punish 4-6 people.

Anybody with ideas of what needs to happen, I’m all ears.


29 posted on 03/08/2010 8:56:16 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
As and idea of what needs to happen, have you considered not bothering Hawaii DOH?

As ex post facto laws are not a problem they cannot frame or fine you for things you have already down under legislation they are just now passing.

30 posted on 03/08/2010 9:01:49 PM PST by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: butterdezillion

Keep us posted if you can. You definitely have pissed someone off, which is a good sign you’re getting close to something.


31 posted on 03/08/2010 9:03:47 PM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners, no mercy. 2010 is here...)
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To: butterdezillion

Lingle is no fan of Obongo’s, at least she wasn’t.... maybe he has bought her off now.


32 posted on 03/08/2010 9:06:41 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: butterdezillion

Ugh. Do you know when this goes into effect? I’m sure I am one of the 4-6, too.

What amazes me is the Takase argument that people are coordinating their UIPA requests. UIPA is supposed to be all about public interest, that’s why people are working together. Takase/Fukino want to punish the public for having a keen interest.

AND Takase believes that she is qualified to diagnose mental illness? This attitude is so over the top.

There are no solutions for you, Butter. I don’t believe any of the lawyers involved are on the level. I imagine none in Hawaii would represent a case like this... They’ve probably been forewarned/bullied.

They are clearly trying to intimidate us. They want us to give up. This is a gross abuse of power.

I very much disagree with Takase in her assessment that people are abusing the spirit of UIPA. I think she’s just shocked and upset that it’s a law that actually works FOR the people, instead of corrupt government officials like BHO.

BHO has been afforded every loophole in not being required to show his BC. The one law that works for the people and they CHANGE the law to suit corruption. It’s not a surprise, but it’s shocking none-the-less.


33 posted on 03/08/2010 9:09:55 PM PST by MissTickly
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To: Red Steel

Wasn’t there something in some outdated document that used to mean something in this “nation” about a “right” to petition the rulers or dictators or something like that? I know it doesn’t mean anything anymore, as this story shows, esp after the rise of The One. Just asking for the history buffs, I’m sorry old dead white guy mythology buffs...


34 posted on 03/08/2010 9:49:02 PM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: Red Steel
Someone needs to take Hawaii to court. They are stepping over the line. They can’t fine people for asking questions.

Especially when it's them who are dragging their feet and not following their own rules. Visions of The Best Little W*house in Texas' governor's side step song:

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-

I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,

cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

35 posted on 03/08/2010 10:05:48 PM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: butterdezillion
But for them to be making these drastic moves it should put red flags up for everybody. You don’t get rid of your open records law in order to punish 4-6 people.

I'm sure they're in close contact with Hussein's handlers and this bill is a group effort. Remember who it is who enjoys railroading laws through merely on his own ego.

36 posted on 03/08/2010 10:13:59 PM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Red Steel
If Hawaii does this... these knuckleheads are opening a way to get them into court.

Maybe they know that too. Hmm.

37 posted on 03/08/2010 10:16:29 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: butterdezillion
But for them to be making these drastic moves it should put red flags up for everybody. You don’t get rid of your open records law in order to punish 4-6 people.

I'm sure they're in close contact with Hussein's handlers and this bill is a group effort. Remember who it is who enjoys railroading laws through merely on his own ego.

38 posted on 03/08/2010 10:17:04 PM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: butterdezillion
Anybody with ideas of what needs to happen, I’m all ears.

Hey so is Obama. Probably more than you.

39 posted on 03/08/2010 11:09:31 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: edge919; Red Steel
"This becomes a serious first amendment issue if they start trying to limit access to government.

Indeed it is. The $2,000,000.00+ dollar question is...who in the judicial system would even consider hearing such a case. Unfortunately, I'm thinking that they would simply say that such a plaintiff has no standing.

They can't possibly handle the truth.

40 posted on 03/08/2010 11:36:02 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: allmendream; butterdezillion
"As ex post facto laws are not a problem they cannot frame or fine you for things you have already down under legislation they are just now passing.

What make you so sure they wouldn't simply step all over ex post facto laws? I mean, aren't they already stepping all over their UIPA laws?

41 posted on 03/08/2010 11:47:14 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: MissTickly; butterdezillion

They certainly can’t fine you for anything you did up to now, and if you don’t live in Hawaii, any future fining mechanism seems problematic at best. They’ll probably just stop answering requests on this issue.


42 posted on 03/09/2010 12:01:42 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: butterdezillion

That is brazen thug-o-cracy, FRiend. I’m going to sound the trumpet on this. God bless you. BTW, a different way of looking at this issue:

Are ABC, CBS, NBC, FactCheck, and N.Y. Times ‘birthers’ too?

McCain ‘birthers’: ABC, CBS, NBC, FactCheck, N.Y. Times
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127362
Eligibility issue was huge in 2008 when Obama opponent was focus of attention


43 posted on 03/09/2010 4:34:43 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (ONLINE TAX REVOLT 150,000 AND GROWING. http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com)
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To: onyx; MeekOneGOP

“The Office of Taxation wants to fine people who are labeled ‘vexatious requestors’”


44 posted on 03/09/2010 4:36:15 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (ONLINE TAX REVOLT 150,000 AND GROWING. http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com)
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To: Smokin' Joe

If they pass such a law, it runs a real risk of destroying their own careers. It’s a dangerous law, in many ways.


45 posted on 03/09/2010 4:39:04 AM PST by bvw
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To: HiTech RedNeck

In other words, time for an off site’s hit counter to rack up a few hundred hits...


46 posted on 03/09/2010 4:40:42 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I would sure like to be a “vexatious requestor”.


47 posted on 03/09/2010 5:20:31 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: mojitojoe

But the people who are covering for Obama were largely appointed by Lingle. Fukino, AG Mark Bennett, Cathy Takase... they’re all in their positions now because Lingle put them there.

There are 2 people who have dared to do their jobs honestly and courageously, if I’m not mistaken: OIP Attorney Linden Joesting and Lt Gov Duke Aiona (if he’s the one who forced the DOH to post their administrative rules as required by law).


48 posted on 03/09/2010 5:21:19 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Who’s axing them about what that they are all hot and bothered about?

Someone is hitting them with an ax? Because that is what "axing them" means. OTH, if you mean asking, then you should actually write asking.

49 posted on 03/09/2010 5:23:13 AM PST by calex59
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To: MissTickly

Labeling people as crazy because they question the political machine is the world’s second-oldest profession. Takase is only being true to who she is.

Their argument that working with other people shows that somebody is being “vexatious” is disingenuous for 2 reasons: First, working together actually reduces the number of requests necessary so it SAVES them time. And second, punishing people for practicing their right to peacably assemble is unconstitutional.

They are violating the First Amendment in several ways on this bill.

And Takase is the person who wrote in an official OIP Opinion Letter in 2007 (the very year the Factcheck-forged COLB was originally printed) that public outcry is reason enough for documents confidential by specific law to be released to the public. Oh, the irony of that. Now she’s telling us that public outcry is reason to shut down UIPA.


50 posted on 03/09/2010 5:29:08 AM PST by butterdezillion
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