Check out butterdezillion's comments on this thread, especially # 47.
Posted on 08/01/2010 8:57:49 PM PDT by geraldmcg
Finally when it appeared that the truth was going to come out once and for all about Obama's mysterious birth, the State Department wiggles out of producing records of Obama's mama's by saying that some circa '60's documents were destroyed, and that the records of Obama's mama, Stanley Ann Dunham, were missing.
This let down was the apparent end of a trail from a Freedom of Information Act request for those documents.
But the some documents provided from teh Freedom of Information Request, included two different locations and dates for STanley Ann Dunham's marriage to Lolo Soetoro, Barack Barry Hussein Obama's step-father from Indonesia.
“Do you think so? I’d love it, but would be happy (as a start) to see ANY of it nullified. Don’t think it’ll be possible, though, until after BHO’s out of office (please, God!), as he’ll veto any repeal(s) passed.”
Long as the GOP acts like the DNC’s Unick’s and keeps working like they never want to win again ,we have a problem, They have shot themselves in both feet and one hand so far one was the Unemployment then the BP money and the third was the 9/11 first responders,The Rats will beat on them with this.
These Idiots want to lose!
If he’s been using a Kenyan BC until 2006 and the his Hawaii BC has no legal value, doesn’t that mean that he’s been using a Kenyan passport until Jan 20 2008?
“Barry was born in Hawaii.”
Prove it !!!
Please don’t miss this.
We might add in the fact that our socialist scholar presidential momma Stanley Ann at one time worked for Tim Geitner’s father when he was head of the Ford Foundation and had them hiring socialists trying to figure out how starvation in Asia could be prevented with massive socialist planning.
Seems that the big socialist lie keeps being recycled and recycled.
1967- Government Inquiry – Barack Hussein Obama – Born in the US and Stepson of Lolo
“He is living with the applicants’ spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii.”
“He [word stricken out with xxxx’s] is considered the applicants stepchild”
He = Obama
applicant = Lolo?
Does this mean Obama legally adopted by Lolo?
Sorry to ask the obvious.
Duration of pregnancy, birth weight, and legitimacy are the 3 items required in the medical portion of the CDC’s Standard Birth Certificate for 1961. Everything required by the standard BC was also required by Hawaii law so no BC could be legally complete unless it contained those items.
Those items aren’t even printed on the long-form BC’s, much less the COLB’s, so Obama probably thought he could just add it to complete the BC and nobody would ever know. But the HDOH Administrative Rules say that any non-typo amendment made to the birth certificate has to be noted on any BC they print - including the abbreviated BC (COLB).
That’s why Obama had to make a forged COLB even though he could have a genuine one printed any time. The genuine COLB would have note that he added the birth weight in 2006. And he would have a 2006 BC#, because the BC was only completed when that birth weight was added.
And that missing birth weight is doubly problematic because it would have been so easy to resolve if Obama had actually been born in Hawaii. They had 30 days after the birth to get the baby to a doctor so that medical information could be added to complete the record. You’ve noted that as far as we can tell SAD was in Seattle 2 weeks after the birth. It’s still possible that she had the baby in Hawaii and then immediately traveled to Seattle. But if they went to the trouble of applying for a Hawaii BC for him I would think they’d have the baby examined so the BC could be completed - unless the child COULDN’T be examined by a Hawaii doctor because the baby wasn’t IN Hawaii, even during the 2 weeks before SAD was in Seattle.
Based on all the responses the HDOH has given, adding a birth weight is the only amendment that fits the responses. And it fits with other observed phenomena which I am not at liberty to reveal at this point.
I won’t reveal exactly what responses the HDOH have given which lead to this conclusion, because if the HDOH destroys the embedded transaction record for Obama’s file as they have destroyed other original evidence such as the original hand-written birth index for 1961 (or at least they claim it no longer exists), then the responses I’ve got on an external drive may be the only evidence left of what was REALLY done with his file. That is the danger when the fox guards the henhouse.
The fox IS guarding the henhouse and we all know it. That’s why it’s so outrageous that this passport FOIA response refers to records they imply may have been destroyed, even though such records are required to be permanent. At this point I think most of us realize that every government office is capable of breaking laws on Obama’s behalf, just as (so far) the Social Security Administration, Selective Service Administration, HDOH, and State Department have all apparently done - corrupting every official record that may exist for Obama.
Regarding Obama’s doctor in Chicago, his doctor at the time the amendment was made was David Scheiner, a Columbia University grad who protested the healthcare reform bill because it didn’t totally nationalize healthcare.
His partner is Quentin Young, one of the founders of the Democratic Socialists of America, which under the counsel of Francis Fox Piven (co-author of the Cloward-Piven Plan to overthrow America) morphed into The New Party in order to unite with the dems in an effort for the communists to take over the democratic party. Obama was a signed member of The New Party. As you probably know, Neil Abercrombie was also thick with the DSA. Quentin Young was at the party at Bill Ayers’ house where Obama was inducted into the Chicago political scene.
So no, I don’t believe that it is hyperbole to refer to Obama’s communist doctor. The communists in Chicago were all thick with each other, and that includes Obama’s doctor and his medical partner.
Based on the list of documents that can be used to furnish missing info on BC’s and the clues given by the HDOH’s own responses, I am almost certain that a page from a medical record was used to make this amendment.
We know that Obama used SOME kind of record to get into kindergarten, get his driver’s license, get a passport, etc. He didn’t have anything from Hawaii or Washington so it had to be from somewhere else. My suspicion is that Obama has a valid BC from wherever he was really born - whether that is Canada or Kenya. That BC was probably used to create a medical history for him which is in his medical file. By transferring the birth weight info from a Kenyan (for instance) BC to a medical file Obama’s doctor can “launder” the info so its original source is not known.
If you look in “Dreams” you’ll see that the details of Obama’s parents getting married, where they lived, etc are all very blurry. But there is one reference that is very concrete: the reference to Obama’s birth weight. If Obama and/or Ayers knew a birth weight for Obama it was from some other document besides the Hawaii BC if that was the item Obama amended. That would be evidence that there is a non-US birth certificate that SOMEBODY (specifically Obama, Ayers, and probably Scheiner & Young) has known all along.
Lucy, can you ping the list on this one?
Probably until whatever day they altered his passport records. I think the final passport breach was in March of 2008?
That is, unless he naturalized at some point, in which case he could have a US passport, if I understand correctly. But any documentation for his place of birth had to use a BC besides the Hawaii one. And even now, he could not use the Hawaii BC for official purposes.
Check out butterdezillion's comments on this thread, especially # 47.
As usual, butterdezillion, you have researched this to the nth degree. Thank you so much for the detailed answer.
What if Stanley Anne kept a baby book which has survived to this day? I kept baby books for my first childre — got to busy for the later ones. Even when I got busy, I recorded the birth weight and length for all of them. Obama has some old records that he referred to when “writing” Dreams. Is it possible that he picked up the birth weight from a baby book, rather than an official record?
Also, I have had some questions in the back of my mind about his birth weight. How tall is he? Around 6’2”? As I remember, his birthweight was in the 7 lb range and his length was in the 20 in. range. I think that is small for a child who grows to 6 ft. 2in. My oldest son (who was born about a month before Obama) is now 6’ 2” and was nearly 22 in. long at birth. Now it is possible that Obama was not full term, and that could account for the small size. Or not.
Doctors and political relationships. Ron Dellums was the SDS backed candidate for his first run for poliltical office in 1968 — Berkeley City Council. He was also Communist backed. I don’t like to call someone a Communist unless there is evidence, as there is in Dellums’ case, and Frank Marshall’s, and apparently these Chicago doctors. Again, thank you.
He could have gotten the birth weight for the book from a baby book, but a baby book would not be sufficient for legal purposes so the source for his amendment just about had to be a medical record.
Also, one of Obama’s books (I think “Dreams”) refers to a birth certificate he had with a newspaper clipping. If it is true that his Hawaii BC was not completed until 2006 then his claim of having a BC would have to refer to a different BC. So he was either outright lying about having a BC, or he referred to the BC he used all along, which is not from Hawaii or Washington - and he KNOWS it.
I believe he has known all along that he was not born in Hawaii because in the summer of 1980 he told Race Bannon that he was born in Mombasa, grew up in Indonesia, and was going to be president someday.
I think the information we’ve got will (Lord willing and anybody has the courage to stand for the law) be enough to convict him of perjury in any state in the union where he signed a sheet saying he is eligible to be president - because the evidence increasingly points to the fact that he KNOWS he was not born in the US and deliberately violated the US Constitution.
I've not read *Dreams* and don't remember anyone reporting on BO's birth weight. Is that info really in the book?
What an amazing person you are to have compiled all this information. Thank you.
Page 22. It says he was 8 pounds 2 ounces.
It’s in the context of saying that the Dunhams weren’t thrilled about a baby but then the baby came home, 8 pounds 2 ounces and hungry. So they warmed up to the idea as daily needs had to be met.
I originally was pointed to the information by looking at http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g44.htm#zree3 , where I read that doctor’s reaction to the short letter Dr Scheiner put out as a summary of Obama’s health. He was not impressed, to say the least. Notes 3 different points which suggest that Dr Scheiner was just trying to take up space without saying what a real doctor would say.
It’s interesting that both of the alleged Kenya BC’s - one from the DOH and the other from the hospital - have the same weight listed. But the weight in “Dreams” is different.
It will be really interesting if/when we finally see the actual documents. Could be the Kenyan ones are fabrications. Or could be that Obama and Ayers never saw a real BC and just guessed a weight. Or could be that this is more disinformation in order to discredit any real BC that would come out.
I had a hard time reading the first 25 or so pages from “Dreams” because by the time I read it just about everything in it had already been refuted by evidence from actual documents of the time. If the birth weight listed in there is accurate then it stands alone as the only truthful detail in at least that part of the book.
A child cannot pick the circumstances of his birth. There is plenty to criticize about Obama’s character and actions, but disparaging his birthplace, wherever it was, is unwarranted and cruel.
Wooooo! I haven't heard that before. Is that documented anywhere? Are we talking about the FR Race Bannon?
That’s enough Communist credentials to convince me!
Here is the RACE BANNON LINK:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2397370/posts
for all the thanks he got for it!
And they laughed at TOM FIFE also...
http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-first-time-i-heard-of-barack-by-tom-fife/#more-4557
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