Posted on 07/26/2011 8:03:13 AM PDT by charlene4
When people hear that Obama's birth certificate is a fake, some people (the number is shrinking) shake their heads in disbelief - or feign disbelief - and say things like, "That's impossible', "not in this day and age" and "Not in our country". Those are the same refrains voiced by Russians when Stalin took power, and what the Germans said when Hitler's sadistic rein of terror began (by the way and for the record, Stalin murdered 40-60 million of his own people, Hitler about 7 million, if you're into body counting to score left/right political points. Hitler was also a "Nazi Socialist", meaning the left wing is simply lying when they attach conservatism to Nazism, anyway. Stalin and Hitler were simply variations of the same totalitarian, media-controlling coin, and entirely apart from any free-market, first amendment-loving, free-society conservative notions that have ever existed).
Not only do we now know that Obama's birth certificate is a pathetic fake from the fact that the digital image practically crumbles in your hands upon examination, but there is a long precedent for the forgery used by the highest leaders in the most powerful nations. Those forgeries are what this illustrated post is about, because Obama's forged birth certificate is serious business. As a devout communist virtually by his own admission in his autobiography, the realities of those past forgeries would not be unknown to Obama, and may figure heavily in his thinking. Indeed, Obama's own 2008 campaign art reflects a very heavy soviet propaganda influence in its style:
(Excerpt) Read more at obamafake.blogspot.com ...
“It begs the question. Where did these foreign news stories get the idea he was from Kenya? Who, other than himself would have spread such a rumor?”
People on the internet who wanted to claim that Obama couldn’t be President.
I mean, you are actually familiar with the internet, right? People make crap up and it spreads. Some years back there was a rumor about John McCain having an illegitimate black child. Do you think McCain started that rumor? Do you think Sarah Palin started the rumor about Trig being her grandbaby? Most rumors aren’t created by the people they’re about.
“Prove the 9 were made up.”
Seriously? There are probably thousands of articles saying he was born in Hawaii, and nine that say he was born in Kenya (even calling them ‘articles’ is generous). And in order to believe that they made the same mistake (confusing his father’s birthplace for his), you want me to “prove” that a handful of foreign journalists got their facts wrong about an American politician? What exactly would that ‘proof’ consist of, now?
“More like Obama let people believe he was “Kenyan” for the early part of his political career because he felt it lent him an exotic air.”
Okay, so if we assume that Obama claimed he was born in Kenya until he ran for President, where are all the examples of that? Anything other than the Kenyan Standard article?
I’m willing to bet I could produce a lot more pre-2008 examples of Obama being Hawaiian-born than Kenyan-born. On the other hand, I bet you can’t even produce five examples of Obama ‘letting people believe he was born in Kenya’ prior to his Presidential run. It’s your contention that he carried on that way; can you back it up with examples?
“The African press, not getting the word to change gears the way the American Press moves in lockstep,”
Yes, because OBVIOUSLY Fox News and BigJournalism and Ann Coulter would ‘move in lockstep’ to forget all these supposed instances of Obama claiming to be born in Kenya.
“She did it twice. This time in 2007. Yeah, sure, no one would be confused about THAT statement from her.”
So she called him “Kenyan.” I have a friend who was born and raised in South Carolina. And yet she calls herself “Columbian.” Do you know why? Because her PARENTS were from Columbia.
I suppose you’d think she was lying about her South Carolinian origins if she said she was “Columbian,” because that MUST mean that she was born in South America. Or is there some reason why you think it’s okay to use the adjective for South American heritage but not for African heritage?
See, you keep saying that Obama let people believe he was born in Kenya for years, but if you had real examples of Obama or anyone knowledgeable about him saying ‘Barack was BORN in Kenya,’ you’d be sharing those. But you don’t, so you have to misinterpreting ordinary comments about ethnicity.
I can not even find a Spell_check that doesn't highlight his name as not valid! Seriously? Yes, I have too many times.
Some people are just die-hard Obama fans and will support him no matter what.
Then there are people who've looked into the evidence and concluded that it hasn't been proven that the documents a fake.
I am unaware of an expert who states that. I have seen many experts say it is fake. I tend to go with majority.
It's not that there's any great trust in Obama or politicians.
It's that the arguments for forgery just aren't convincing: often they're laughably unconvincing.
There may be some that are unconvincing,it really doesn't prove anything anyway. It is an *abstract*. Add that to the other questions surrounding a man who refuses to be the least bit transparent and yes, I doubt anything he says.
It's a far better argument that Birthers are the source of the “Obama was born in Kenya” meme.
As for Michelle Obama, you can believe that she was claiming BHO was born in Kenya. Or you can believe she was pandering to the crowd she was speaking to. Or possibly she was intentionally yanking the Birther chain. That's your choice. To argue that her comments are proof BHO was born in Kenya is flimsy at best.
If an expert doesn't think it's proven to be a fake and doesn't know that there are people who still claim that it's a fake, that expert isn't going to post about it online. So what you're seeing is an unrepresentative sample.
Consider all the people here who've just stopped paying attention to this and you get an idea of how skewed the representation can be. People -- experts or not -- who aren't convinced that there are easily detectable signs of fraud in the document have just stopped talking about this and stopped caring.
And what kind of "experts" are you talking about? "Experts" who don't know about fountain pens and manual typewriters and how they work? "Experts" who think a forger would take the same word off different documents produced with different typewriters? "Experts" who don't know that turning a document in a bound volume into a two dimensional graphic necessarily involves some distortion of the words and letters and lines?
Realizing that there are people out there who assume that the ordinary workings of old fashioned pens and typewriters are signs of forgery because they don't look like today's ballpoints and felt-tips or word processors and laser printers convinced me that if there was a fraud, these "experts" would never be able to prove it.
I get no joy from being a skeptic. It would be the story of a lifetime if the birth certificate were an easily detectable forgery. But if you were the President of the United States -- even a particularly incompetent president -- wouldn't you at least be able to hire a competent and skilled forger if you needed one?
I'm not saying the document is legitimate. I don't know and couldn't prove it one way or the other. But most of these online "experts" don't have a clue either.
The state of Hawaii has provided Obama with “plausible deniablity.” He can always say that he mearly posted what the state of Hawaii sent him. If there is something wrong with the birth certificate, it’s the state of Hawaii’s fault.
HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU – The Hawai’i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,” Hawai’i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.”
On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President’s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President.
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.
President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai’i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment.
In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai’i, and both provide the same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai’i at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein Obama.
In 2001, the Hawai’i State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.
Director Fuddy made an exception for President Obama by issuing copies of the original birth certificate. The departmental policy to issue only computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth remains in effect for all birth records that have been computerized. Director Fuddy, in her capacity as Health Director, has the legal authority to approve the process by which copies of birth records are made.
“The exception made in this case to provide President Obama with a copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth was done according to the letter of the law,” Attorney General David Louie said. “Director Fuddy exercised her legal authority in a completely appropriate manner in this unique circumstance. We will continue to maintain the strict confidentiality requirements afforded to vital statistics records, such as birth certificates. These requirements help protect the integrity of the records, and keep us all safe from crimes, such as identity theft.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf
Also, it's difficult to prove something's not a fake, and impossible to prove that an online image is not a fake. So the best an expert could say is that there's not enough evidence to conclude that the online image is a fake. And, in fact, several have said that.
Notice he does not see he saw the original birth certificate
?Notice how they STILL have not released his BC- only an 'abstract'
I just got my BC the other day and I am 3 years older than him
Did they cut the original out of the book and send it to you?
Proving the authentication of an actual document requires...the actual document. Thus far, no actual document has ever been presented for the COLB or the LFBC. They digital images, supposedly scans in some cases.
Authentication can never be done via digital images. Never. The actual document is required. However, fraud can be shown from digital images. The signs of fraud are usually present and they are present in both the ‘scans’ of both documents and the photos of the COLB posted on Factcheck.
When real, actual, physical documents of BOTH documents are provided they can be authenticated. But neither has been provided, ever. So nothing has been proven as authentic. It is impossible.
Hawaii or the WH could provide the actual certified copy of the document of record and the supporting records. They refuse. Hawaii officials seem to think they can play the game of being coy. This has run its course. Schatz is in this up his eyeballs. He is a young man with a family. Maybe he should come forward. It is time.
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I really have no expertise,but this makes sense to me
Read more @
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=326565
Harrison proposes the following thought experiment to understand why the white dots prove the document is a forgery:
•Imagine a window envelope, of the type used by banks for statements, in which the address of the client shows through a clear plastic window.
•There are two layers of paper visible to the observer: the envelope and the portion of the contents visible through the transparent “hole” in the envelope.
•Now imagine taking a picture of that envelope and printing the picture: What was previously the composite of two pieces of paper is now just one piece of paper.
•With the envelope in hand, the contents could be removed and the bank statement read.
•With only the picture of the envelope in hand, no part of the statement is visible or retrievable, except the address.
•Now take just one more step in the experiment: Place a small, opaque adhesive sticker on the transparent envelope window, so that it covers just one letter in the address on the bank statement inside, take another picture of the envelope and print it.
•On the envelope, you can remove the sticker, and again you can see the complete address. You can still open the envelope and read the entire statement.
•On this new picture, however, you can erase the image of the sticker, or perhaps cut it out, but you will not be able to see the letter covered by it – the camera cannot capture what it cannot see – and you still cannot get access to the statement.
How exactly does this apply to the Obama birth certificate?
Harrison explains:
•Recall the adhesive dot on the window envelope in the thought experiment: The picture of the window envelope did not have the information under the dot, even if the dot was cut out of the picture, or somehow “erased.”
•Just as the paper of the envelope, and the adhesive dot added to the window on the envelope, both obscured the statement kept inside, both of the images (dots and background safety paper) obscure the blue background, because both the white dots and the green safety paper are made of opaque color.
“Now ask this question,” he continued. “How does a paper document, scanned by the White House to show to the world, have two opaque colors on the same spot, when the camera – the scanner – cannot see any more than one color for each pixel?
“The answer is, simply, it can’t, and it didn’t. A scanner does not have X-ray vision anymore than a camera does. Any spot on a document that is simply a scan of paper can have only one color associated with it. If there are two, then the document must have been created from multiple images layered together instead of a piece of paper.”
If this is still not clear, the expert suggested the following: Have someone take a picture of you with a football hidden behind your back, not visible to the camera.
“Will you ever be able to extract the football from that picture?” he asked. “Of course not.
“However, if you take a picture of a football, and a separate picture of yourself, you can ‘hide’ the picture of the football behind yourself, using Adobe Illustrator or similar products, simply by placing the picture of yourself ‘in front of’ the picture of the football in the document.
“When done, the football would not be visible to a casual viewer, but could still be retrieved – made visible – using the software that composed the multiple-image document, by turning ‘off’ the image placed in front of the football.”
He stressed that the White House file does not consist of just one image, but nine distinct images merged together, with the first eight positioned “in front of” – that is, so you see them first – the large background image (image 9), consisting of the green “safety paper” and outlines, as well as some text.
Exhibit 15 shows the file, with the first eight images, marked with numbered red boxes, displayed over the ninth (the safety paper background).
Exhibit 15: Layers in Obama birth certificate
Read more: Layered colors ‘simple proof’ of Obama document forgery http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=326565#ixzz1THCfHAic
There are too many questions! No answers.
Marked for tomorrow ... thanks for posting it.
When you get back to this item, take note that the Obots have (partially successfully) diverted the discussion (again), to birthplace and other legalese red herrings. The subject of this posting is the eminently probable posit that Obama and his minions have posted a FORGERY on the White House servers. Check out the linked website. The Obots are pooping in their pants right about now, because finally, someone (Pro Graphics, or Proe Graphiques rather) is sounding the call to *personal* action, and it is resonating with large numbers of people. Hear that, Obots? It’s the sound of the Freight Train of Justice coming for your boy. And oh yeah, Fast and Furious is breathing down the neck of this incompetent usurper also. Hope everybody is stocked up on popcorn, because the show is just getting started. Woot!
Dissembling, twisting, mischracterizing and outright lying are all the obamanoids have to defend their fraudulent littl Obanoccio prince with, so it is no surprise they do it here at FR daily.
yes, they cut the original out of the book and sent it to me...
Dont they always?
charlene4 wrote: “When people hear that Obama’s birth certificate is a fake, some people (the number is shrinking) shake their heads in disbelief - or feign disbelief - and say things like, ‘That’s impossible’, ‘not in this day and age’ and ‘Not in our country’.”
Mostly they just laugh.
The Hawaiian Department of Health says: “On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
I have no trouble at all believing that when your friends hear these things they laugh. But then Axelrod is the king of astroturfing ...
“Notice he does not see he saw the original birth certificate
?Notice how they STILL have not released his BC- only an ‘abstract’
I just got my BC the other day and I am 3 years older than him.”
In Hawai’i, the short forms are “abstracts,” and long forms are “copies.” The short form version “abstracts” the most important information from the longer version.
Were you born in Hawai’i?
Each state has its own rules and own forms of birth records. Hawai’i says that it issued Zero a short form COLB in 2007 and a long form copy of the original on April 25, 2011.
I believe that in the information age that we live in that it will be impossible for the left to completely erase the evidence of the fraud that has taken place. In the future millions more people will wonder how our country was so easily misled. The problem is that demographics being what they are... it may not matter.
I work as a hazmat lieutenant and we have a saying that applies to certain situations... the answer to polution is dilution. Despite what most environmentalists would have you believe... at some point if you add enough water most soluable harmful compounds become harmless to the environment.
The left appears to be using a variation of this principle to prevail politically in our country. They are inviting vast numbers of foreigners into the USA both legally and illegally and enabling them not to mix in with our culture by providing vast amounts of government assistance. My grandfather emmigrated from Norway in the early 1930s; the welfair system did not yet exist so he had to mix in or perish. By keeping the new immagrants isolated the left can more easily manipulate the newcommers.
Our children are being indoctrinated into left wing thought through the school system and the mainstream media, which includes motion pictures, pop culture icons, music groups and even video games. Somehow the left is winning this battle; for what purpose I do not fully understand. I do not know if they understand; it is like our culture is intent on self-destruction. The final straw will be when our government has borrowed so much money that the country can no longer pay it’s debts.
I fear that despite the millions of people who are aware now and the millions more who will become aware in the future of the vast fraud that has taken place... that it just won’t make much of a difference. The vast numbers of sheeple will bury the concerns of even millions of those of us who understand the truth. We will be ignored and labled extremists.
Sorry, I am in a pessimistic mood this morning.
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