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How Arizona Could Get The Obama Administration To Cooperate On Illegal Immigration (pic)
The Looking Spoon ^ | 6-27-12 | The Looking Spoon

Posted on 06/27/2012 10:56:39 AM PDT by The Looking Spoon

h/t John Hawkins at Right Wing News for inspiring this piece by supplying the quote.



TOPICS: Humor; Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; barackobama; borderwars; humor; illegalimmigration; sb1070

1 posted on 06/27/2012 10:56:48 AM PDT by The Looking Spoon
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To: The Looking Spoon

Whoo Hoo! Problem solved!


2 posted on 06/27/2012 11:00:28 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: The Looking Spoon

Bump!


3 posted on 06/27/2012 11:00:36 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: The Looking Spoon

Police used to just transport them to the state line. Can they do that any more?


4 posted on 06/27/2012 11:03:10 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (OBAMA!!'s name is all caps as sarcasm to indicate a lack of respect, as he does not deserve it)
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To: The Looking Spoon

I love it. Have Joe set up another tent city where farmers can pay the state a wage for legal labor in their fields. Then the illegal immigrants can actually be useful and help pay for all those that have not been caught.


5 posted on 06/27/2012 11:08:06 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: The Looking Spoon

A simple EXECUTIVE ORDER by Jan Brewer should be all that’s required.

Legally.

And let Obama/Holder sue to stop her.

Then repeat with a new law that’s 1% different. Rinse-Repeat all the way to November.


6 posted on 06/27/2012 11:10:22 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: The Looking Spoon

I just read an article about the millions of dollars that some states will need to spend cleaning Japanese debris from their beaches. Why can’t Arizona contract with Oregon to provide free labor for the clean up process? Problem solved.


7 posted on 06/27/2012 11:11:21 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: Tenacious 1

That destroys job prospects for legal Americans, right?

Just have them mine for gold, ,anywhere.


8 posted on 06/27/2012 11:12:05 AM PDT by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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To: The Looking Spoon

Here is something to consider.

Illegal immigrants are not citizens of the united states. An argument can (and has) been made that they are still protected by the Federal Constitution. Since the courts have ruled that illegal immigrant prosecution and deportation is exclusively at the privilege of the fed, then Arizona could detain them as criminals (no legal argument their) but not have the power to prosecute them or allow them habeus corpes.

Logically, they can be detained as criminals but not charged as they are not citizens and the state has no jurisdiction to prosecute but a duty to apprehend them.


9 posted on 06/27/2012 11:12:10 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: The Looking Spoon
I'm wondering why the states don't rebel against Obozo. Collect up the illegals, jail them or transport them to the border despite what the feds say.

If the feds come a knockin, have an equal number of state troopers waiting on them.

What are they gonna do? Arrest police officers that threaten to arrest them?

10 posted on 06/27/2012 11:12:23 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: The Looking Spoon

Hmmmm. We should bill the Feds for that.


11 posted on 06/27/2012 11:12:36 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: The Looking Spoon

AZ should provide a one way bus ticket to all illegals: To Washington DC.


12 posted on 06/27/2012 11:15:14 AM PDT by proudpapa
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To: servantboy777

The Feds have a lot more and larger weapons to deploy against recalcitrant states. And enough troops who would obey “Fire on Citizens Order.”


13 posted on 06/27/2012 11:18:32 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: The Looking Spoon
US Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Arizona could declare itself under invasion from Mexico, and file an appeal to the Supremes for a Writ of Mandamus to order the Obama administration to enforce the law.
14 posted on 06/27/2012 11:26:38 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
>>And enough troops who would obey “Fire on Citizens Order.”<<

I'm not thinking we are there quite yet.

True, they do have bigger toy’z, but guerrilla warfare can create quite the headache.

Ain't fraid no ghost-ezz!

15 posted on 06/27/2012 11:29:15 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: The Looking Spoon

Since obama has stated his plans not to deport certain groups of illegals, can’t he be sued personally in civil court for the costs that the states inquire because of his refusal to do his job. obama did take an oath of office, and he has now refused to keep his oath and that will cost the states millions, if not billions of dollars.


16 posted on 06/27/2012 11:31:09 AM PDT by GloriaJane (Pro Choice = Pro Death - Pro Life = Pro LIFE!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
The Feds have a lot more and larger weapons to deploy against recalcitrant states. And enough troops who would obey “Fire on Citizens Order.”

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Those are OUR weapons, we paid for them. The Feds don't own sh_t. Politicians and bureaucrats are OUR servants and stewards of OUR property. If they EVER use OUR weapons against us illegally, they will trip the wire and will soon regret their fatal error. When push comes to shove, I am reasonably confident that the majority of LEOs and military personnel will be on our side.

17 posted on 06/27/2012 11:54:56 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: Real Cynic No More

No, that’s a hallmark of a bygone era. It was referred to as dumping where one state would deal with it’s criminals and miscreants by dumping them into another state. The problem is obvious: It doesn’t actually deal with the criminal, it just makes him someone else’s problem.


18 posted on 06/27/2012 12:04:47 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Cyber Liberty
The Feds have a lot more and larger weapons to deploy against recalcitrant states. And enough troops who would obey “Fire on Citizens Order.”

You are wrong. My neighbor recently retired from the Army as a Lt. Colonel. He led troops in the field for 20 years. I asked what would happen if an order came down to fire on US Citizens and also violate Posse Comitas. He said very few officers would obey this order. I asked what about the Non Coms and enlisted. He said most would refuse, some would desert the army and become part of a resistance movement.

It must also be noted that under Uniform Code of Military Justice, a soldier has the legal duty "not to carry out an illegal order."If he carries out an order that he knows to be illegal, he also can be prosecuted.

19 posted on 06/27/2012 12:08:54 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Tenacious 1
Illegal immigrants are not citizens of the united states. An argument can (and has) been made that they are still protected by the Federal Constitution. Since the courts have ruled that illegal immigrant prosecution and deportation is exclusively at the privilege of the fed, then Arizona could detain them as criminals (no legal argument their) but not have the power to prosecute them or allow them habeus corpes.

You can't have it both ways. They can't have constitutional rights, and not be allowed habeus corpus, which is a constitutional right.

Btw, just to beat anyone to it, aliens do indeed have constitutional rights.

If aliens had no rights under the Constitution, they might not only be banished, but even capitally punished, without a jury or the other incidents to a fair trial. But so far has a contrary principle been carried, in every part of the United States, that except on charges of treason, an alien has, besides all the common privileges, the special one of being tried by a jury, of which one-half may be also aliens.--James Madison

20 posted on 06/27/2012 12:13:48 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: The Looking Spoon

Arizona needs a nice wall on the border ;-)
So put em to work on building one.

Sheriff Joe could manage the details I’m sure.


21 posted on 06/27/2012 12:28:52 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Melas
You can't have it both ways. They can't have constitutional rights, and not be allowed habeus corpus, which is a constitutional right.

That was my point. I could have been clearer but failed in an arrogant attempt to be clever. The courts ruling essentially allows Arizona to check and arrest illegal immigrants but not to prosecute or deport.

Am I confused?

22 posted on 06/27/2012 12:28:52 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
And enough troops who would obey “Fire on Citizens Order.”

I do not believe that. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

23 posted on 06/27/2012 12:30:51 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: The Looking Spoon

Start checking for immigration papers at DUI checkpoints.

Make the same Supreme Court which told you it was okay to stop legal US Citizens and search their vehicles and bloodstream for alcohol why you can’t search illegal non-citizens for their papers.

This case would give them legal indigestion and tie the entire court system in knots for the next thirteen years.


24 posted on 06/27/2012 12:31:10 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: The Looking Spoon
Here is my theory on why Obama issued his order severing ties with Arizona after the Immigration ruling from SCOTUS:

I wonder if Obama won't help Arizona because he's afraid that Fast And Furious guns will eventually be found combing back across the border with an illegal alien. It's just a matter of time.

He doesn't want to step up illegal immigration enforcement because if they find a gun, everything would begin to unravel. He's using immigration as an excuse to look the other way on everything else.

-PJ

25 posted on 06/27/2012 12:34:27 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Melas
The problem is obvious: It doesn’t actually deal with the criminal, it just makes him someone else’s problem.

It's not really a problem, when there are people actively inviting illegals into their communities; also known as sanctuary cities.

Any state that wants to deal with captured illegals should do it this way. Capture and verify they are illegal. Seize all assets that the state can legally seize from them, and place the rest into storage; billing the individual. Setup a one way ticket; with a bag lunch, a juice box and $20 or whatever a parolee of the state would receive on release, to the nearest sanctuary city, out side the state. Drive them there, dump them off and bring the bus back for another load.

If the liberals want to stand there with open arms, they should get as many illegals as can be captured and transported.

26 posted on 06/27/2012 12:34:32 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: servantboy777
True, they do have bigger toy’z, but guerrilla warfare can create quite the headache.

Agreed. For the foreseeable future, this nation will not be taken over by force. There are too many of us that would still give our lives for the freedom our ancestors and forefathers fought for. And by the way, most of us are armed and some of those are capable of arming the rest of us.

27 posted on 06/27/2012 12:37:46 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Tenacious 1

It wouldn’t take a lot to do the job...but that’s just my opinion, as you say. It’ll never happen anyway.


28 posted on 06/27/2012 12:56:23 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"And enough troops who would obey “Fire on Citizens Order.”"

As an American, I respect the fact that everyone has their opinion. I really, really do.

But as a former Marine I am getting very sick and tired of hearing this bullshit. There is no way in hell a majority of the U.S. armed forces would blindly obey an unlawful order to either disarm, intern, or shoot American citizens. It is a patently false claim with absolutely no factual evidence supporting it, other than a fevered, paranoid, conspiratorially-addled mind.

To utter such idiotic drivel is to presume that every single man and woman who volunteered to serve in our military are all heartless, uncaring, unlawful, unemotional, unpatriotic and morally or spiritually apathetic robots. Blanket statements like this are a direct insult to each and every one of them presently serving or who have served at some point in their lives during the past 200+ years.

Take your anti-military crap, shove it up your ass sideways, and then crawl back under your rock. Once under there, start pounding sand.
29 posted on 06/27/2012 1:04:56 PM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: PapaBear3625
US Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Arizona could declare itself under invasion from Mexico, and file an appeal to the Supremes for a Writ of Mandamus to order the Obama administration to enforce the law."

Absolutely! Have you sent this to her office?

30 posted on 06/27/2012 1:08:33 PM PDT by WMarshal (Bitter Clinger)
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To: GloriaJane

Presidents like Barack Husein Obama who choose not to uphold the Constitution and law of the land are liable for IMPEACHMENT not law suit. Unfortunately, we have a congress that has allowed many presidents, G.W. Bush and others included, to bypass the constitution and rule by fiat aka executive orders. Our republic is suffering because we have congresses who fail to investigate, impeach and/or have prosecuted - lawless presidents, congressmen & judges. “Lawless” here simply means: failure to uphold the constitution and laws of the land. Presidents and judges who create laws SHOULD BE IMPEACHED. Congressmen who allow presidents and judges to make laws - SHOULD BE IMPEACHED. The greatest threat to the nation has been apathetic congresses who wouldn’t know the constitution if it hit them where the sun don’t shine. We are being rules by those who have no regard for the constitution.


31 posted on 06/27/2012 1:17:30 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: Turbo Pig
It's not really a problem, when there are people actively inviting illegals into their communities; also known as sanctuary cities.

I was referring more the practice of dumping, rather than how it applies specifically to this situation with immigrants.

Any state that wants to deal with captured illegals should do it this way. Capture and verify they are illegal. Seize all assets that the state can legally seize from them, and place the rest into storage; billing the individual. Setup a one way ticket; with a bag lunch, a juice box and $20 or whatever a parolee of the state would receive on release, to the nearest sanctuary city, out side the state. Drive them there, dump them off and bring the bus back for another load.

I can't even fathom how this makes sense to you, so no real point in discussing it further.

32 posted on 06/27/2012 1:42:08 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Are you finished with your bullshit rant? Because if you are, I might clarify that I never said “most.” But since your head is so far up your ass (sideways), you are too irrational to read. So I will refrain from bothering.

Hoorah, lil’ dickhead.


33 posted on 06/27/2012 1:46:55 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Well said, and I am very grateful for your service to our country. Thank you.


34 posted on 06/27/2012 1:46:58 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: FortWorthPatriot

I would like to believe that all the men and women in our armed forces have the ability to discern which commands to obey vs. which not to obey. However, I think this is expecting too much of soldiers who are trained to trust their commander. It’s a “rare” soldier who is willing to suffer court martial for disobeying a direct order. What will soldiers do when they are convinced by their commander that what they’re doing is the right thing to do? Will they fire on citizens who they’ve been told are subversive and/or dangerous? Will they be able to discern good citizens from the so-called dangerous? How will they do this? Would U.S. soldiers, presumably National Guard, fire on U.S. civilians? A look back at the civil unrest of the 60’s will give us a clue to the answer.


35 posted on 06/27/2012 1:49:46 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: Jean S

That wasn’t “good,” it was a BS-filled rant. I never said “most.” In fact I later said it would only take a few miscreants to kill a lot of citizens.

But go ahead and join your little friend and pile on this old FReeper.


36 posted on 06/27/2012 1:50:21 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"Because if you are, I might clarify that I never said “most.”"

Okay genius let's do some elementary math here. The 2011 estimated U.S. population was 311,591,917 Americans. The total estimated number of military personnel in the U.S. (all branches, active and reserve) is 2,533,863, which is 0.82% of the total population.

So subtract those Americans in the military from the total American population. Now you have approximately 309,058,054 "civilians" remaining that the 2,533,863 members of the military would be up against if such orders were issued.

You said there were "enough troops" who would obey such an order to shoot civilians. Given that our military personnel are overwhelming outnumbered by civilians 123 to 1, in order for there to be "enough troops" nearly all (i.e., "most") of them would have to be willing to shoot their fellow American, and even if that number were at 100% it still wouldn't be enough.

In any event, by stating that there are "enough troops" willing to shoot civilians implies that most of our military would do that, which is a lie.

Oorah, big dickhead.
37 posted on 06/27/2012 2:52:25 PM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: Melas
I can't even fathom how this makes sense to you, so no real point in discussing it further.

It's simple. Thanks to the liberals in this country, there are two America's now, and they are headed on an unstoppable collision course. The only reason the country is in the mess its in is because Conservatives have been playing Mr. Nice guy, and have protected the libs from themselves.

Well, I say it's time to stop. In fact, I say it's time to help them reach the liberal nirvana they are looking for. Libs want illegals in their cities and states; let's do all we can to fill 'em to the brim. Libs want draconian regulations in their cities and states, let 'em have them; drive those businesses out.

Conservatives need to move out of areas dominated by libs, and shold erect ideological barricades around them, so that the madness that infects them doesn't spread any further than it has. When reality comes crashing down on the sane people that are left; things will truly change. The recent doings in WI are a prime example.

When faced with the reality of what liberalism does to a city/state/country, and led by a leader with convictions, a majority of people in this country will choose to roll back, or completely eliminate liberal polices and trends.

I don't know about the legality of my idea; I will admit it is harsh, though. Realistically, it's a heck of a lot nicer than US citizens get treated in countries around the world all the time.

Simple fact is that if we don't start acting like a-holes towards liberals now; and I mean real tough love type of actions, then we as a people are going to be killing each other in another Civil War that will make the first one look like child's play. To be honest, I'm not even 100% sure if that is avoidable as it is.

38 posted on 06/28/2012 2:37:55 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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