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Obama could single-handedly nullify the 2nd Amendment
coachisright.com ^ | July 22,2012 | Doug Book, staff writer

Posted on 07/22/2012 12:14:33 PM PDT by jmaroneps37

When Barack Obama signs the United Nation’s Arms Trade Treaty late this month, the force of his signature alone could suffice to nullify the 2nd Amendment rights of the American people.

How is this possible if a 2/3rds vote by the Senate—that is, constitutionally mandated ratification– is required before the United States may become a legal party to any treaty?

Interested Americans have been told that the Arms Trade Treaty will regulate the international trade of conventional weapons, the purported goal being prevention of arms transfers to rogue or terrorist states.

Naturally, one would think regulations intended only to manage and restrict the trade of weapons to dangerous, warlike or terror-supporting countries couldn’t possibly threaten the constitutionally protected right of American citizens to keep and bear arms.

However, in order to prevent the accumulation and export of possible contraband weapons, the Treaty mandates creation of a global arms catalogue– an international registry detailing the existence, history and ownership records of all conventional weapons.

Every sale, every transfer of a weapon within the borders of the United States would be contained in this registry. The left have dreamed of such a national gun registry for decades and this would give it to them.

How could the gun-grabbing Obama Regime impose this clearly anti-2nd Amendment, Treaty-mandated arms registration scheme on the American people without the Senate first giving its advice and consent?

“When a nation signs a treaty it is obligated to refrain from actions that would defeat the object and purpose of the treaty until such time as it makes clear its intent not to become a party to the treaty.”

This is language from Article 18 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. Adopted in 1969, 111 nations have ratified

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We can't let this happen.
1 posted on 07/22/2012 12:14:37 PM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: jmaroneps37

Molon Labe.


2 posted on 07/22/2012 12:22:09 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: jmaroneps37

There are going to be a lot of firearms collections lost in unfortunate boating accidents.


3 posted on 07/22/2012 12:22:39 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: jmaroneps37

I look forward to the day that the cowardly, blue-helmeted baby rapers show up at my door to take my guns away. I hope my neighbors sell tickets.


4 posted on 07/22/2012 12:23:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without the Second Amendment, the other twenty-six will cease to exist.)
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To: jmaroneps37
The treaty signed by that POS Fascist dickweed Obama cannot supersede the Constitution...I guess he can try, but lets see him enforce it...by the power of the executive branch only...

The Senate needs to ratify to give the treaty the legal power to impose it's regulations...THAT isn't going to happen...

5 posted on 07/22/2012 12:23:31 PM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: jmaroneps37

Obama has had a ‘damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead’ attitude and he’s trampled the laws and Constitution already on his way to getting what he wants. There’s been lots of speculation as to whether he will sign this or not .... pundits seemed to be leaning ‘not’ with the election looming. I think after Aurora he’s going to do it - he’s determined to accomplish his ‘take down America, get gov’t control over the people’ objectives (going after Obamacare rather than dealing with the economic health of the country, etc.) & destroying the 2A would be as big or bigger than Obamacare .... I don’t think he’ll be able to resist. I don’t think the motivation will be to throw ‘red meat’ to his base, but that would be a side effect - get them energized that he’s “doing something” for them.


6 posted on 07/22/2012 12:25:08 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Multiply that time 80 million. It will truly be “The Shot Heard Around The World 2.0”


7 posted on 07/22/2012 12:31:08 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jmaroneps37; All
In addition to this plan to take away our guns Obama and the UN also have:

1. a similar plan for the UN to take over administering the Internet.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/05/30/united-nations-internet-regulation/
Where's the outcry on the U.N. push to regulate the Internet?
May 30, 2012: 10:56 AM ET
A regulated Internet regime would disrupt the global free flow of information and commerce. So where is the business opposition to the United Nations’ effort to control the web?

By Nina Easton, senior editor-at-large

FORTUNE — The bureaucrats at the United Nations, prodded by developing countries and exemplars of democracy like Russia and China, have hit on an enticing new way to control global communication and commerce: They want to regulate the Internet

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/05/30/united-nations-internet-regulation/

2. A plan for the UN to tax us.

Here Is a List of Global Taxes Proposed by the United Nations Last Week

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/here-is-a-list-of-global-taxes-proposed-by-the-united-nations-last-week/

Help spread this around.

8 posted on 07/22/2012 12:33:53 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: jmaroneps37

Obama should be nullified and be given 10 days to vacate the White Hut in order that it be fumigated and otherwise cleansed for the new ocupants.

He is a traitorous dog (perhaps though he’s just a foreigner who has intruded into the White Hut and should be given an appropriate sentence for all he has put this nation through) and is America’s #1 enemy~

Vote for Romney, because he’s NOT OBAMA!


9 posted on 07/22/2012 12:37:27 PM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: jmaroneps37
We can't let this happen.

Well... I think it already is happening.

I expect that, on Dec 21, 2012, we will finally see 'the end of the world (as we know it)', when it is made public that we are under the rule of a Socialist Dictatorship.

10 posted on 07/22/2012 12:40:18 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: jmaroneps37
When a nation signs a treaty it is obligated to refrain from actions that would defeat the object and purpose of the treaty

Obama is not our nation.

Obligated? LOL!

11 posted on 07/22/2012 12:41:43 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: IbJensen
Vote for Romney, because he’s NOT OBAMA!

Well... neither is Obama.

12 posted on 07/22/2012 12:41:48 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Truth29

There might be a lot of homes lost (torn apart, burned down, blown up) in unfortunate military weapons searches under the watchful eye of heavy ordnance and orbiting air assetts, too.

Don’t think for a minute that this gang of fascist thugs isn’t capable of massive population relocation - or elimination - should they choose to quit the incrementalism and cut to the chase.

“Moulon Lav’e”? “Cold dead hands”?

Oh yeah; that can be arranged, fellas.

Just wait for the Obongo / Soros regime in conjunction with the Muslim Caliphate to drop the hammer on us and see if they care about our “rights” or “constitution”.

How many of Obongo’s Czars and gang members are known eugenicists who would be delighted to see about 50 million Americans exterminated outright?
Especially light complected, English speaking Non-Muslim ones who didn’t “vote right”?

I have a feeling that our Liberty - such as we have left of it anyway - is about to start costing us dearly... again.


13 posted on 07/22/2012 12:42:04 PM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: jmaroneps37
I think we should all sign a pact reassuring Mr. Obama that we will hand over our weapons promptly....

AFTER we expend all of our ammo of course...

14 posted on 07/22/2012 12:44:34 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Popman
Unfortunately, it may well happen. As you know, Obama doesn't care about the Constitution...or for that matter, neither do most of the deadbeats in Congress. And by allowing Obamacare to go forward, it seems the Supreme Court doesn't value the Constitution either.

If the treaty doesn't pan out, Obama can always issue an executive order to confiscate firearms from private citizens. His eagerness to misuse the executive order to advance his own agenda is well documented. And so far, neither Congress nor the Courts have done anything to stop him.

15 posted on 07/22/2012 12:46:20 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Toddsterpatriot
When a nation signs a treaty it is obligated to refrain from actions that would defeat the object and purpose of the treaty

Uh....... name one nation that has done so.

Both Russia and the US are signers of the SPACE TREATY, and I guarantee you that both nations have weaponized platforms in space. Have had for at least 25 years.

16 posted on 07/22/2012 12:47:50 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: jmaroneps37

This thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2909087/posts

offers some hope.

What time is it in the real world?

US Naval Observatory Master Clock Time

Jul. 22, 18:03:19 UTC Universal Time

Jul. 22, 02:03:19 PM EDT Eastern Time

Jul. 22, 01:03:19 PM CDT Central Time

Jul. 22, 12:03:19 PM MDT Mountain Time

Jul. 22, 11:03:19 AM PDT Pacific Time

Jul. 22, 10:03:19 AM AKDT Alaska Time

Jul. 22, 08:03:19 AM HAST Hawaii-Aleutian Time

US Naval Observatory


17 posted on 07/22/2012 12:49:42 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It won’t be them. It will be your friendly local SWAT squads. ATF, FBI, City Police, Sheriff’s Deputies, and Highway Patrolmen/women that come to take them. They learned when they inflicted obamacare on us, that we would not do anything except a little keyboard bitching and say “We gotta elect Republicans. Well, we elected Republicans and we still have obamacare. What have we done to convince them that we are to be taken seriously?


18 posted on 07/22/2012 12:55:15 PM PDT by sport
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To: jmaroneps37
“When a nation signs a treaty it is obligated to refrain from actions that would defeat the object and purpose of the treaty until such time as it makes clear its intent not to become a party to the treaty.”

This is language from Article 18 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. Adopted in 1969, 111 nations have ratified the Viena Convention.

The United States is not one of the 111 nations that have ratified the Vienna Convention. Thus, according to the "Coach is Always Right," Obama may enforce the provisions of an arms treaty that the United States has not ratified pursuant to the terms of another treaty that the United States has not ratified. Me thinks the Coach is Sometimes Stupid!

19 posted on 07/22/2012 12:56:04 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: jmaroneps37

“.....the Treaty mandates creation of a global arms catalogue– an international registry detailing the existence, history and ownership records of all conventional weapons.”

I recommend that they start with Mexico.


20 posted on 07/22/2012 12:56:19 PM PDT by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: rurgan

A theater massacre heavy on weapons, explosives and gear and even HEAVIER on the Internet sales of those items.. False flag? Nahhhhhh... This incident will have the same effect on the 2nd Amendment that the BP oil disaster had on the conventional oil industry in America. How convenient for 0bama these events are. The PERFECT excuses for the implementation of his ‘CHANGE’.


21 posted on 07/22/2012 1:01:14 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: jmaroneps37

Rights are inalienable, just like gravity.


22 posted on 07/22/2012 1:09:39 PM PDT by Misterioso (They tried to get me to hate white people, but someone would always come along and spoil it. - Monk)
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To: jmaroneps37

The U.S Supreme Court has held that a treaty cannot be used to circumvent the prohibitions of the Bill Of Rights.


23 posted on 07/22/2012 1:16:33 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: jmaroneps37

If this Treaty will undermine the rights of Private Citizens of the USA you can bet Obama will want to be the First person to sign it!!


24 posted on 07/22/2012 1:21:52 PM PDT by radioone ( Main Stream Media. The Government built that.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

You said this not me: “The U.S Supreme Court has held that a treaty cannot be used to circumvent the prohibitions of the Bill Of Rights.”

John Roberts will just rewrite that so that if the UN calls it a tax then they can tax us buying guns or jail us etc.


25 posted on 07/22/2012 1:24:04 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Popman

“The Senate needs to ratify to give the treaty the legal power to impose it’s regulations...THAT isn’t going to happen”

Yeah, it can.

First, a few liberal senators are called to the Senate chamber in the middle of the night. Remember, the VP is President of the Senate.
Next, they hold a voice vote to relax the ‘quorum rule.’
Then they vote on the Treaty by voice again, so there will be no detailed list of which senators voted for it.

Remember, the Constitution says treaties have to be approved by 3/4 of the senators PRESENT, not 3/4 of the Senate.


26 posted on 07/22/2012 1:24:32 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: jmaroneps37

Is there anything in our laws or in the Constitution itself that would prohibit the U.S. government from signing on to a treaty that would contravene our Constitution ?


27 posted on 07/22/2012 1:27:34 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Yes the media will manipulate that shooting to erode our 2nd amendment right to bear arms, and also to beat down and the Internet( our first amendment right to freedom of speech). So the media get to attack our basic rights and they also tried to get a 3 fer , by saying he was a tea party member when he wasn’t.


28 posted on 07/22/2012 1:28:35 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Popman
Unfortunately, it can. The Article VI Supremacy clause includes treaties as the "supreme law of the land."

-PJ

29 posted on 07/22/2012 1:29:45 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: oldfart

Ooops, it’s 2/3 of the senators present, not 3/4. Sorry.


30 posted on 07/22/2012 1:33:04 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: jmaroneps37
Obama could single-handedly nullify the 2nd Amendment

He has done so many other illegal and evil things, he will do this too. He will get away with it and will NEVER be held accountable. That may not be what we hope for, but that is the reality of it.

31 posted on 07/22/2012 1:37:01 PM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: jmaroneps37

Obama currently ranks just about James Buchanan, as the second worst occupant of the White House in our country’s history, trailing because his divisiveness has not yet led to open civil war. If that petty socialist tyrant tries to disarm the American citizenry, he will leap to first place by a huge margin. I hope and pray that decent Americans will remove Obama from our White House through the Electoral College before the far left takes that next step.


32 posted on 07/22/2012 1:42:27 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pollster1
Male that: "Obama currently ranks just above James Buchanan, as the second worst occupant of the White House in our country's history . . ."
33 posted on 07/22/2012 1:43:44 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Show up at your door? Hell, you’re gonna have to race a lot of us just to get a crack at the bastards.


34 posted on 07/22/2012 1:46:01 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"I look forward to the day that the cowardly, blue-helmeted baby rapers show up at my door to take my guns away. I hope my neighbors sell tickets."

They'll just send a drone.

35 posted on 07/22/2012 1:55:48 PM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Unfortunately, it can. The Article VI Supremacy clause includes treaties as the "supreme law of the land."

But only when "the federal government is acting in pursuit of its constitutionally authorized powers, "

Senate doesn't ratify the treaty, there is no constitutionally authorized powers...

36 posted on 07/22/2012 2:04:28 PM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: sport

Hey Sport,
I can’t see a Plant City boy willingly give up their guns to anyone.


37 posted on 07/22/2012 2:04:57 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Popman
One would hope. I can see Harry Reid delaying a ratification vote just to muddy up the waters for as long as possible.

-PJ

38 posted on 07/22/2012 2:08:03 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: rockrr
It will truly be “The Shot Heard Around The World 2.0”

We'll see. 2012 patriots are not the same as 18th century patriots.

There will be a lot of griping online and in bars and such but guns in the street taking on gov't overlords? We'll see.

39 posted on 07/22/2012 2:10:21 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend

If the 2nd or any amendment can be annulled by the actions of one corrupt politician, it wasn’t worth much to start with. Bottom line, government doesn’ protect our rights WE DO!


40 posted on 07/22/2012 2:25:11 PM PDT by FiddlePig
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To: sport

I have many friends thst are LEOS but I will kill them or die trying, if they try to enforce tis Dickweeds notions.


41 posted on 07/22/2012 2:29:39 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: jmaroneps37
congress could hold him in contempt

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42 posted on 07/22/2012 2:30:53 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: jmaroneps37
Ah, no he can't.

The Kenyan must go.

43 posted on 07/22/2012 2:31:05 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: jmaroneps37
NOT SO!!!

We went thru this not long ago re: The LOST Treaty.

SEE: Reid v. Covert

In 1957, the US Supreme Court decided that treaties cannot supersede the Constitution. (Reid v. Covert, 354 US 1 (1956)) Mrs. Covert was one of two US military service wives who shot and killed their active-duty husbands while on US military bases abroad. Incredibly, the Air Force tried Mrs. Covert, and the Army tried Mrs. Smith, for murder by general court-martial under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

The services argued that international law said that military tribunals had exclusive jurisdiction of all crimes on US bases, no matter who committed them. But the Supreme Court said that only a civilian court can try a civilian, no matter where that civilian is.

Then the court made abundantly clear what the Supremacy Clause really means. At issue is whether the Constitution allows all treaties, not just “those made in pursuance” of the Constitution, to take precedence over the Constitution.

The Court emphatically said no. TO THINK OTHERWISE WOULD BE TO LET A TREATY AMEND THE CONSTITUTION OTHER THAN THROUGH THE AMENDING PROCESS IN ARTICLE V. (See 354 US 16-17.)

44 posted on 07/22/2012 2:38:24 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Reid v. Covert

Thank you.

The stupidity around here sometimes makes me weep.

45 posted on 07/22/2012 2:56:24 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: MissMagnolia

He will sing it. Before or after the election I don’t know.

The most dangerous thing is a lame duck president and congress.


46 posted on 07/22/2012 3:05:16 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Joe Boucher

I am not. When they get ready to take them, I suppose that they will. I will have been shot full of holes by then. I will not surrender them.


47 posted on 07/22/2012 3:18:36 PM PDT by sport
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Said that in an earlier thread. This is it here. Already Lautenburg or how ever you spell that name is calling for new gun laws. And this is going to be the reason Obunghole signs the treaty. IMHO


48 posted on 07/22/2012 3:20:03 PM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: Renegade

I understand. I have watched videos on youtube of staeving Russian pows and concenreation camp inmates while Himmler and other Nazis strutting around gloating.I had a mental picture of Hillary Clinton in their place. I made a vow to myself that I would never e put in the position of the pows or camp inmates. As long as there is a chance that the light of freedom will continue to shine in the U.S., I will do what I can to keep it shining. But if worse comes to worse, I rather die on my feet fighting, than to live on my knees groveling. But that is just my thoughts. Others may feel differently.


49 posted on 07/22/2012 3:28:33 PM PDT by sport
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To: SatinDoll

Bookmark


50 posted on 07/22/2012 3:31:08 PM PDT by SatinDoll
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