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Math-Challenged Silly People Voting Libertarian Cost GOP Victory in At Least 9 Congressional Races
Reaganite Republican ^ | 16 November 2012 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 11/16/2012 3:21:20 AM PST by Reaganite Republican



The good news comes via instapundit:

PEOPLE WILL LOVE THIS: Libertarians provided the margin for Democrats in at least nine elections. It’s particularly sad that libertarians didn’t back Mia Love. Really, you’re not going to vote for a candidate whose favorite economist is Bastiat? Apparently not.


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So thanks Paulbot idiots- it all went-down just like we told you it was going to.

Any independent or Libertarian candidate running on the right is as much an enemy to American conservatives as are the progs: in our two-party system these people have zero chance of achieving real power or accomplishing anything meaningful, and are about as relevant as the Whig Party.  

That is, unless you count 'handing elections to Democrats', where they get to throw a tantrum, be heard, and do damage to conservatives- why does anybody think Ron and Rand Paul ran as Republicans? Because they want to WIN and take power, not sit at home dreaming about it- that's why

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KEYWORDS: cost; libertarian; republicans; victory
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To: Reaganite Republican

Not all are for national defense, open borders, etc. It’s a more diverse platform than that.

It’s more about not wanting people’s lives micro-managed by Statolatrists, who are prevalent in both the Republican and Democrat parties. Respect for liberty implies accepting that others may have values & lifestyles divergent from your own.


21 posted on 11/16/2012 3:50:04 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Not all are for weak national defense, open borders, etc. It’s a more diverse platform than that.

It’s more about not wanting people’s lives micro-managed by Statolatrists, who are prevalent in both the Republican and Democrat parties. Respect for liberty implies accepting that others may have values & lifestyles divergent from your own.


22 posted on 11/16/2012 3:50:50 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: muawiyah
So why would a pro-drug Libertarian vote for a Conservative?

Because most of them don't take drugs, but they do pay taxes. Most libertarians I know are straitlaced workaholics. What they hate is wasting law enforcement resources on victimless crimes when there are lots of thefts, robberies and rapes that could be investigated in greater depth instead of being dumped into cold case files. Some of the money saved from not imprisoning perpetrators of victimless crimes could be spent on longer sentences for thieves, robbers and rapists. Their perspective is that the state should not be shoehorned into the parental role - that role is best performed by each individual's actual parents.

23 posted on 11/16/2012 3:55:44 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Well said. I personally know of one LOSERtarian who voted that way in this election. The individual is on call/email block for eternity.


24 posted on 11/16/2012 3:55:48 AM PST by MachIV
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To: RegulatorCountry

I’ve changed my stance on Drugs substantially over the past decade.

I have no use for dopers or meth heads.

However, if we believe the basic theories of economics, and if we look at what we should have learned from prohibition, it becomes obvious that the current drug laws:
1) Make the wrong people rich
2) Are responsible for 50,000 dead south of the border.

Cary Nation set the stage for Al Capone.
Tough drug laws have very negative consequences.


25 posted on 11/16/2012 3:56:31 AM PST by AlbertWang
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To: xzins

Most of them I know are also pro-Open borders.


26 posted on 11/16/2012 3:56:42 AM PST by MachIV
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To: MachIV
None of those I know are pro-open borders. All are pro-individual liberty which many Republicans do not favor.

Why is the Nanny-State OK when it is Republicans issuing the marching orders?

27 posted on 11/16/2012 4:00:41 AM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: snowrip

You can try to sugar coat it any way you want... You’re free to bury your head in the sand, but you can’t hide from the fact that the republican party’s nomination of a northeastern liberal with an anti-gun, pro-gay, liberal judge appointing, pro-abortion past was what just “cost America big time.”


28 posted on 11/16/2012 4:04:11 AM PST by yantis
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To: Sirius Lee
Let's see, the RINO's don't need evangelicals, they don't need libertarians, they don't need pro lifers, they don't need America Firsters...

I was repeatedly informed by Team Mittens' representatives on this site, throughout the entirety of 2012, that:

a.) ... as a socon, my views and desires were "statistically insignificant" and "fringe," and therefore did not merit serious (or even grudging) consideration or inclusion; AND, simultaneously --

b.) ... as a socon, my lone, individual vote was absolutely essential, and the only sure thing standing between The Forces of Light and C'Thulhu's Extra-Dimensional Army.

At no point whatsoever did the thundering cognitive dissonance absolutely inherent in those two violently antipodal viewpoints occur to any of them, however fleetingly.

So, obviously, then: they ended up blaming Mittens' epic electoral belly flop on voter fraud. ;)

29 posted on 11/16/2012 4:06:13 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I 100 percent blame the Republicans who wanted Romney to begin with. Anyone with a brain knew he was the worst candidate ever chosen to be the Republican candidate. The problem I have with us conservatives is that we are forced to settle for the lowest denominator each and every time. When have we ever had the candidate of choice? We keep voting for the crap they put in front of us. I still believe that if Bloomburg somehow got the Republican nominee in 2016, that most on Free Republic would be talking about how great the guy is. I just think that we have not taken a stance on principles in so long that we forgot what it is like to do so.


30 posted on 11/16/2012 4:08:25 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: RegulatorCountry
Well, let's see ~ victimless crimes ~ one of my cousins was murdered by her druggy husband with a shotgun. We blame the druggy and his drugs, not the inanimate object ~ and some idiot in the Army decided he had to beat me up with a broom stick in the barracks one evening ~ he was high ~ I thrashed him in the end.

Another druggy robbed my apartment ~ he was eventually caught and was discovered to have murdered two people.

Frankly, in my experience, there's always something with these guys that ends up proving they do not become devotees of the doctrines of ahemsa.

31 posted on 11/16/2012 4:09:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: xzins

small l libertarians are just as if not more conservative than most so called conservatives..

we believe in a literal interpretation of the constitution..

we do not want to be ruled over by the federal government, regardless of which side of the political spectrum the feds are ruling by....

revert to the constitution and most if not all our nations problems will just go away, THAT is what we believe in..

which would you rather have, a party that has a cool platform that gets discarded once in power, or a platform that you can 80% agree with, can work to change, and know that once elected will stick with the platform?

In other words, do you like being deceived or not?


32 posted on 11/16/2012 4:10:28 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: yantis

What he said


33 posted on 11/16/2012 4:10:45 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: AlbertWang
The rate of carnage could be easily reduced by executing the druggies and their enablers.

Might be a sharp spike at the beginning of the campaign, but eventually things drop off ~

The experience of China is before us ~ uncontrolled use of opium based drugs ended up costing them nearly two centuries of civilization and resulted in tens of millions of deaths.

34 posted on 11/16/2012 4:13:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: AlbertWang

Agreed. Police state tactics in response to a moral collapse is what we’ve been doing. Drug use is a symptom of that moral collapse. So, we respond by taking away Constitutional freedoms for everyone, leaving us open to the proverbial knock on the door in the middle of night, well, no, they don’t knock.


35 posted on 11/16/2012 4:16:17 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Zhang Fei
Because most of them don't take drugs, but they do pay taxes. Most libertarians I know are straitlaced workaholics. What they hate is wasting law enforcement resources on victimless crimes when there are lots of thefts, robberies and rapes that could be investigated in greater depth instead of being dumped into cold case files. Some of the money saved from not imprisoning perpetrators of victimless crimes could be spent on longer sentences for thieves, robbers and rapists. Their perspective is that the state should not be shoehorned into the parental role - that role is best performed by each individual's actual parents.

Unfortunately too many parents are no more mature than their offspring. A few years back the 'state' of Missouri, had to restrict driver licenses for 16 year old new drivers graduated up to the age of 18. WHY because the stupid parents ignored and neglected to supervise their own children.

My exposure to dopers is limited but there is a wasteland of burned up minds creeping and crawling all across this land. There is no liberty in burning up ones brains. What is the cost of to tax payers caring for and coping with fried brains?

36 posted on 11/16/2012 4:16:33 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Reaganite Republican
TO All Intellectually Challenged Republicans Who Think That Republicans Are Owed the Libertarian Vote:

Every time a Republican loses an election some whiney Republican cheerleader comes out of the woodwork and rather than blame the candidate that lost, blames the libertarians because they didn't vote Republican. Well I have a bit o news for ya Jack:

As one of the other posters pointed out, Libertarians are not Republicans. Think about it.

AND, because they're NOT Republicans, why do you think that they should vote for Republican candidates? From a Libertarian perspective there isn't a whole lot of difference between the two major parties. Both are hell bent on increasing the size of government and making it more intrusive. Think back as to who gave us the

  1. Full auto ban
  2. Senior drug give away
  3. No child left behind
  4. Ethanol as a motor fuel
to name just a few of the moronic/statist things that Republicans did. The reason that Libertarians vote their consciences rather than some statist Republican is because Republicans DON'T REPRESENT THEIR VALUES. You might as well chide Democrats for not voting Republican.

Until the Republicans decide to stop embracing socialism and being Democrats Lite and actually represent CONSERVATIVE values, then don't expect Libertarians to vote for anyone BUT libertarians. You don't expect Republicans to vote Libertarian do you? SO why the hell should you expect Libertarians to vote Republican?

It seems a pretty simple concept, but one that eludes many Republicans.

37 posted on 11/16/2012 4:17:43 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: corkoman

>>Why is the Nanny-State OK when it is Republicans issuing the marching orders?

Most of the comments by the rock-ribbed conservatives in this thread are incredible. Have we really become such totalitarians that we are ready to kick the libertarians out over the failed and useless “War on Drugs”? We have to face facts: we lost this election over vagina issues (abortion and birth control). We could have beaten the blacks and hispanics, if we had not scared away the single white female vote. We could learn a lot about real conservatism from the libertarians.


38 posted on 11/16/2012 4:19:16 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Utmost Certainty
Maybe the GOP ought to work on being inclusive to the Libertarian-minded folks instead of kicking them out? Just a thought.

I've always thought that, too. Even when I was still a Republican, I didn't like the way so-called conservatives crapped all over Libertarians instead of courting them.

39 posted on 11/16/2012 4:19:30 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Yeah, right. We all know the GOP losses wouldn't possibly have a damned thing to do with kicking the "Social" conservatives under the bus for the umpteenth time.

Maybe some of the Conservatives out there who value their values more than the 'elephant brand' had just had enough.

The GOP ran the most liberal candidate they had. If Ron Paul was more liberal, and the GOP (now) thinks it needs to be more "moderate" (read:LIBERAL) then why didn't the GOP run Ron Paul? Obviously, he would have gotten more votes if the analysis and claims here are correct.

You can't have it both ways, but We can clearly see: It is every one elses' fault.

Not the GOP,

Not the people who have thrown pro-lifers, pro liberty, pro-Constituion , anti-police state people under the bus EVERY ELECTION SINCE REAGAN!

You figured the guy from the other side was enough to drive people to the polls to vote for the candidate who was last on this side of their list? Kinda 'hopey/changey stratergy, ain't it?

How dumb do you think the people are?

We can plainly see the ongoing march toward totalitarianism, no matter which party is in power, right foot, left foot, all in the same direction.

Talk about an "Entitlement Mentality"!

The GOP isn't entitled to anyone's vote just because their candidate smells a little less like crap than the other guy.

You reach a point where people won't vote for either. Some of the American people spoke: "None of the Above", some protested the Major party tickets, and voted third party.

That is the Right of every American, right down to writing in their grandma if they so choose.

In a POTUS election year, if you want votes down ticket, you run someone at the top who will get the base out.

That did not happen. So just what did you expect?

The GOP has been tossing the base under the bus throughout the campaign, and here you are, instead of courting the libertarian (small 'l') vote for the future, you're putting the boots to people who voted their conscience, blaming them for YOUR loss. You think that is going to bring people into the GOP tent? Not without a firebrand.

When you folks are done in the blame-placing echo chamber, turn out the lights. We won't wait up for you.

40 posted on 11/16/2012 4:19:52 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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