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Should you leave the USA before the collapse? Words of wisdom from someone who tried
Poor Richards Blog Spot ^ | 12/14/12 | Mike Adams

Posted on 01/04/2013 8:33:51 PM PST by Kartographer

Realization #1 - Corruption is far worse outside the USA

Realization #2 - Many cultures do not practice long-term preparedness thinking

Realization #3 - Don't be the foreigner

Realization #4 - You cannot escape the global police state

Realization #5 - You are far safer to hunker down than try to go mobile

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: 666; expats; retirement
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My biggest problem with people who leave American because they see staying as a losing battle is that they remind me of guys who play poker badly and after losing they bitch and bitch and bitch and quit, but they don't leave they then go on to stand behind players watch their cards and give advice and criticism.

You either stay in the 'game' and make your effort or you QUIT and walk away, but you sure don't have the right to stand around and tell others that are still in how they should play!

1 posted on 01/04/2013 8:33:58 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Where would I go, anyway?


2 posted on 01/04/2013 8:37:18 PM PST by Salamander (Nothing says 'Welcome to my home!' like snakes.)
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To: Salamander

Chile, Belize, Costa Rica
try a seasonal get-away instead. Ireland, Manitoba ...


3 posted on 01/04/2013 8:39:30 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: Salamander

The only place I’d even consider is Canada but it’s too damned cold!!


4 posted on 01/04/2013 8:44:51 PM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Salamander
Where would I go, anyway?

Australia, New Zealand ? I hear there are some parts of South America are kinda like early American west with cattle ranches and open prairies.

It all depends on how you want to live and your health and wealth.

5 posted on 01/04/2013 8:46:10 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: pgkdan

Canada America’s great beer cooler to the north!


6 posted on 01/04/2013 8:46:18 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

The questions are this.
Is there any hope for the country to return or change to what you want it to be?
Is there another country that is closer to what you are looking for?
And most importantly.

Is the life of you or your family at risk if you stay?

That is why people emigrate.


7 posted on 01/04/2013 8:51:34 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Salamander

This place will probably be better post-collapse than most other places.
Stay, brace up,or hunker down, call it whatever, and fight if you have to. Most other economies are going to trash with ours.


8 posted on 01/04/2013 8:53:03 PM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Kartographer
I like living in the 3rd world sh*t holes that most Americans and most prepper’s would never consider moving to. If you like personal freedom there are no places that are better if you are self supporting.
If you want relative safety, property rights, a semblance of personal rights and your guns then moving is not an option for just about everyone in that category...

I'd strongly suggest anyone contemplating moving to give it a try for at least 6 months...

9 posted on 01/04/2013 8:53:43 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Kartographer
You see that comment written by the Costa Rican doctor living in California?

I dislike the USA and Americans in general, and particularly dislike conservative right-wing Americans. I can't wait to leave this f..... up country!

10 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:20 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: redgolum

This country will repeat the exact same cycle which other countries went through. Greece, Russia, China, etc all had thriving economies once. Then people found out they could get free stuff by voting in the socialists.

After experiencing ravages of socialism for several decades, some woke up and turned back to capitalism. China for example now has one million new millionaires and middle class is 50 times bigger than during their communist abyss.

So, I expect US to become increasingly socialist (= big gov’t), suffer economic abyss, then turn back. But not until 2040 at the earliest, more likely after 2050.


11 posted on 01/04/2013 8:59:49 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Salamander

I worry about my meagher retirement account....you deny yourself over the years to save, and will be ever be able to take it out, let alone move it to another country....


12 posted on 01/04/2013 9:00:13 PM PST by cherry
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To: redgolum

Mobility is the greatest weapon we have as conservatives. When France put forth a 75% tax the wealthy fled. The only chance socialism has is to stomp out conservatism in every country. If we remain mobile we can continue to reward countries that respect freedom and enterprise. Come to Canada my American friends.


13 posted on 01/04/2013 9:00:16 PM PST by ferrethouse
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To: oldbrowser
can anyone really seriously leave children and grandchildren behind?....nieces?..nephews?...elderly parents?....sisters?...brothers?....

the thought of never seeing my family again would be like living in hell....

can't do it....even if I wanted to...even if I could successfully....

14 posted on 01/04/2013 9:02:07 PM PST by cherry
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I’d possibly consider visiting the central and south Americas to see Boas in their natural habitat but that’s about it.

This is home.

Ain’t goin’ nowhere.

:)


15 posted on 01/04/2013 9:02:21 PM PST by Salamander (Nothing says 'Welcome to my home!' like snakes.)
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To: pgkdan

I’m on the Mason/Dixon and it’s too frickin’ cold.

Canada’s not even in my top 100.

;D


16 posted on 01/04/2013 9:03:23 PM PST by Salamander (Nothing says 'Welcome to my home!' like snakes.)
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To: oldbrowser

Too poor and too old to move.

[hillbillies generally have to be dragged screaming off the mountain of their birth, anyway]


17 posted on 01/04/2013 9:04:54 PM PST by Salamander (Nothing says 'Welcome to my home!' like snakes.)
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To: cherry

Amen.

My freak state is intentionally making it impossible for the ‘natives’ to keep living here, via outrageous taxes and utility prices.

They want the suburbanites to ‘resettle’ my area.

My ancestors went through the Highland Clearances and hundreds of years later, here we go again.


18 posted on 01/04/2013 9:07:42 PM PST by Salamander (Nothing says 'Welcome to my home!' like snakes.)
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To: steve86
The vast majority of folks in other countries dislike America and Americans. They do not want to come here contrary to what you often hear Americans say. They don't believe this is the best place on the planet and while I disagree I recognize that fact......
19 posted on 01/04/2013 9:08:03 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Quickgun
This place will probably be better post-collapse than most other places.

You don't want to be stuck in or adjacent to a big city anywhere in the world, but I think larger cities in this country could be even worse than in the third world, because those people retain some familiarity with scarcity and living in primitive conditions. Here there will be total chaos and breakdown with only a couple days of food non-delivery.

20 posted on 01/04/2013 9:09:47 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: ferrethouse

Well, I’ve got the longboat, but I need a fjord. I’ve sometimes thought of finding a lonely wilderness place on the coast in Northern Canada for the summers and sail south to pillage during the winter ;^)


21 posted on 01/04/2013 9:14:18 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: redgolum

Good questions...

1. Yes
2. No
3. Not at this time

I can’t think of a single place in this world I would want to live other than right here. I hope I never have to pick up and leave.


22 posted on 01/04/2013 9:18:43 PM PST by berdie
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To: Salamander
hillbillies generally have to be dragged screaming off the mountain of their birth

Sounds like you already have a good spot .

23 posted on 01/04/2013 9:19:44 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Kartographer

America’s history began with Central Asians and Europeans who walked away from Central Asia and Europe.


24 posted on 01/04/2013 9:23:06 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Kartographer

I say we make the traitors leave...like we did after the Revolutionary war. Sent the Torries and red coats packing. Kicked them clean out. Worked then—will work now.


25 posted on 01/04/2013 9:26:55 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Kartographer

Texas is starting to look like a nice place to move to. Hope they don’t put up roadblocks to stop those in California fom leaving-reverse of dust bowl days.


26 posted on 01/04/2013 9:37:51 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: cherry
you deny yourself over the years to save, and will be ever be able to take it out,

California is considering an exit tax for people who move out of the state

The thinking is that these people authorised the state to take on expenses (schools, roads, social structures) and now are not staying there to pay for them.

27 posted on 01/04/2013 9:39:47 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: rolling_stone
Texas is starting to look like a nice place to move to

Texas is forecasted to swing liberal by 2016. All the Mexicans and all the people fleeing states like California.

28 posted on 01/04/2013 9:42:57 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: Kartographer
Realization No. 6 -
Physical revolution.
I fear it is coming.
29 posted on 01/04/2013 9:44:29 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: steve86

and we can’t wait for him to leave. Sounds like a consensus. GTFO Doc.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 9:45:09 PM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Kartographer

If it gets too bad, Texas will secede. Go to Texas.


31 posted on 01/04/2013 9:47:16 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Kartographer

I started international travel in 1999, and by 2002, I was living half of my time in central Europe. I left the USSA for good in Jan. 05, back to Slovakia, where I had a great life.
In Jan 2009, I moved to the Philippines, where I have a happy life on a beach, with my new family, and for less then $1000 per month.
There is no way that I would consider going back to the USSA, much less take my family there.
With over 50 percent of Americans choosing a Marxist/Leninist POTUS, the media and educational systems in a full out assault on traditional American values, it tells me that the country that I loved is finished.
The fact that he got re-elected says it all.
Life there will get much worse, before or if it gets better.

By the way, central and south America are booming with new Americans fleeing the Obamination.
Check out InternationalLiving.com


32 posted on 01/04/2013 9:48:37 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Kartographer
Realization #1 - Corruption is far worse outside the USA

Along with the British Empire (or what little is left of it!) and most of Europe.

Sad.

33 posted on 01/04/2013 9:55:06 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: oldbrowser
Australia, New Zealand ?

NOT Australia. Minimum wage is $20. They outlawed many guns in the 90s. Socialist state. Everything thing is REAL expensive. Much worse than the US. Not sure about NZ

34 posted on 01/04/2013 10:00:07 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Kartographer

I don’t know any other way to express this but I will try.

This is my country.

I was born and raised here.

Ancestors of mine fought in the Revolutionary War to ensure the liberties we all enjoy today.

Later, other ancestors of mine fought on both sides of the Civil War and the Union was preserved as a result.

My grandfather fought in WWII and his son fought in Vietnam to stop facism and communism.

I owe my freedom to God and to those generations before me who fought, bled and died to preserve it for me.

Therefore I cannot and will not with a clear conscience simply leave my child to suffer a bleak socialistic future when I have now at this time and place, the opportunity and means to prevent it.

I will not leave.

I will do what I must do in order to preserve the Republic that generations of our forefathers fought, bled and died for over the past 200+ years.

If that makes me a criminal in the eyes of the government, so be it.

I will fight if necessary.

Unlawful force used against me and mine will be met with deadly force.

If someone dies as a result of my use of necessary deadly force, it will be justified and my conscience will be clear.

I’ve lived a good life and have no complaints.

If I die preserving freedom and liberty in this country, then that is God’s will and I accept it.

I’d rather be remembered by my future grandchildren as a patriot who fought and died to preserve our country and its freedoms for us all, than have to explain to them why I failed to take any action at all.

I don’t know any other way to express this.


35 posted on 01/04/2013 10:01:07 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (“If this be treason, make the most of it.” – Patrick Henry, 30 May 1765)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

New tagline.


36 posted on 01/04/2013 10:04:15 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot ("If this be treason, make the most of it. " - Patrick Henry, 30 May 1765)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

New tagline.


37 posted on 01/04/2013 10:04:38 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot ("If this be treason, make the most of it." - Patrick Henry, 30 May 1765)
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To: Kartographer

I’m thankful that our forefathers got out of Europe because it was a lost cause. Of course this isn’t 200 years ago.


38 posted on 01/04/2013 10:05:48 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Kartographer
Learning what you need, getting it or learning how to create it and then learning how to use it is the best advice. Then comes being able and willing to defend what you have. Most places in rural America are preferable to urban areas anywhere.

If a real SHTF scenario happens, that money in your mattress won't help much ...in the bank even less.

39 posted on 01/04/2013 10:08:20 PM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: plain talk

Yes, Australia. The standard of education is much higher in Australia than in the US. Sydney, 7 mil + people is one of the most ethically diverse places on the planet has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.


40 posted on 01/04/2013 10:10:22 PM PST by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: rolling_stone

Hope they don’t put up roadblocks to stop those in California fom leaving-reverse of dust bowl days.

Just so they don’t treat Californians the way CA treated the Okies during the dust bowl.


41 posted on 01/04/2013 10:11:21 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: pgkdan

LOL. My thoughts exactly.


42 posted on 01/04/2013 10:11:52 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kartographer

Despite going off on some pretty wierd tangents... the guy does make some very good points about survival tactics if the country faces some sort of economic collapse. His ranting about evil corporations distracts from the valuable points he makes regarding his experiences abroad and his observations about the societies he lived in and how they view Americans.


43 posted on 01/04/2013 10:17:08 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Well said.


44 posted on 01/04/2013 10:19:08 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: oldbrowser

You might wanna check the gun laws of AU & NZ first.....


45 posted on 01/04/2013 10:20:33 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Kartographer

I plan to leave the USA and move to the Texas Republic—I hope they’ll have me.


46 posted on 01/04/2013 10:20:44 PM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Baynative

That’s what I’m thinking too. I live in a rural area that is largely social conservatives. Best type of place to hunker down and try to survive.


47 posted on 01/04/2013 10:20:56 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: FortWorthPatriot
I don't have a problem leaving. Let me explain it this way. On one side of my family, I have a lieutenant who was shot in the leg while delivering dispatches to General Washington; on the other, immigrants fleeing a hostile environment. In both cases, the branch with the lieutenant and the branch with the immigrants believed in the guiding principles of the US Constitution. It was unique. It was wonderful.

But it is not currenty believed nor upheld by members of Congress or the Supreme Court. The games we play to pretend otherwise are quite sad. I knew my country was lost with the Kelo vs New London decision of the Supremes and worse, when you consider that 7/9 of the justices at the time of that decision were appointed by Republicans.

I can add to the list, as I am sure you can too. So, my quandary, if the Supreme Court refuses to uphold the Constituion, why bother staying?

48 posted on 01/04/2013 10:28:37 PM PST by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: pgkdan

Actually Vancouver or Victoria BC aren’t bad.


49 posted on 01/04/2013 10:30:29 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Kartographer; 2ndDivisionVet

The Secret World of Machines ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa7o49uOzVI

Perfect Prepper Info (how to make just about anything) and fun to watch as well ... my kids used to love the show (I really miss those days)

TT

The whole series is available right there on Youtube ... they are outstanding


50 posted on 01/04/2013 10:30:47 PM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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