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Freep this poll for the White House
Newsweek ^ | 02/09/2004

Posted on 02/09/2004 1:19:35 PM PST by HJH207

Tell us if you approve of President George W. Bush's overall job performance and whether you think he will be re-elected in the upcoming election. Click the "Vote" button at the bottom to submit your results and see others' responses, then click here to see how Americans nationwide answered these and other questions in this week's NEWSWEEK poll.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties; Polls
KEYWORDS: agentsofduh; bush; bushhaters; dusruptors; lyingliars; mediabias; mobydicks; mobytrolls; propaganda; pushpolls; spin; welcometofr
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From: Bunny Chambers [mailto:bbchambers@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:21 PM

Subject: ALERT--Action Needed

We have been requested by the White House to click on the following link and participate in the Newsweek Poll: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4205947/ Please do it as soon as possible. Please pass this on.

Bunny Chambers GOP National Committeewoman for Oklahoma

1 posted on 02/09/2004 1:19:35 PM PST by HJH207
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To: HJH207
wrong link above http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4205947/
2 posted on 02/09/2004 3:33:28 PM PST by HJH207
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To: HJH207
Not a single question on the out of control spending and/or his proposal to grant amnesty to millions of criminal aliens.

Wonder why.

3 posted on 02/09/2004 5:03:25 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: HJH207
Interesting how C comes before B in the world of Newsweek when a "Clinton" is involved.
4 posted on 02/09/2004 6:05:44 PM PST by TatieBug
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To: TatieBug
Not only does Clinton (c) come before Laura Bush (B) but you notice that they have ONE Democrat versus the 3 most popular Republican women. We get to split our vote 3 ways and the Dems get one choice. UNREAL.
6 posted on 02/13/2004 9:10:30 AM PST by Gracey (John Kerry - The Shar Pei Candidate)
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To: HJH207
Did you notice that the Newsweek poll and the general poll show rather equal votes regarding gay marriage issues. I find that rather interesting since the "The Special Group" comment is made. It goes to prove that the the special interest group is not a bunch of gay bashers, but that point isn't made - only that it was slanted in favor of Laura Bush and President Bush. Bah humbug!!!
7 posted on 02/13/2004 9:40:07 AM PST by Gracey (John Kerry - The Shar Pei Candidate)
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To: Gracey
The poll was referring to the last four first ladies, three of which were Republicans.
8 posted on 02/13/2004 11:04:23 PM PST by CalKat
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To: The Fourth
MSNBC also has a link to this thread there.
9 posted on 02/13/2004 11:04:59 PM PST by CalKat
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To: CalKat
Maam. If they were trying to be FAIR, then why wasn't LAURA BUSH on top. Hillary was on top. and Bush (B) comes before Clinton (C). It was darned BIASED. They could have put Laura and Hillary on there. Or they could have added Rosalind Carter, Mrs. Lyndon Johnson, enough to make it balance. That's the only fair way.

It's a well known fact that when you wish to skew the results you add only ONE of the party you wish to win and MANY of the opposition to dilute the results. Did you see that's how they got Hillary to be the most Popular so and so woman recenty. She won with (only 16%) but it was skewed in her favor.
10 posted on 02/14/2004 5:55:09 AM PST by Gracey (John Kerry - The Shar Pei Candidate)
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To: HJH207
See how funny the Newsweek editors note on the poll - lol

where have they been - the DUmmines been stuffing their online polls for months, now the Freepers are doing the same. LOL

Glad to see that we are now part of the "Special Interests Group" - I love it, the people has spoken, the next thing to do is to substitute mainstream big three media on news by Internet news, cable news - no more shackles by the Blather, Peteeeuh or the magazines telling us how to think.
11 posted on 02/14/2004 7:54:45 AM PST by FRgal4u
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To: HJH207
Editor's Note: This week, the online version of the Newsweek poll received an unusually high rate of response, with the clear majority of participants casting uniform votes. For these reasons, we believe the poll is being intentionally manipulated.

Well darn, they get a high voter turnout and then they complain about it...

12 posted on 02/14/2004 10:39:37 AM PST by Ancient_Pistoll
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To: FRgal4u
Read my post here:

PA Republicons email cyber members to stuff the Newsweek Poll (Kittens, here's food to play with) POST #52

I expose how the DUh crowd will OUT a FReep and then continue to DUpe and DUmp a poll themselves.

If the media stooges already know what answer they want, why do they ask the question?

13 posted on 02/14/2004 11:06:52 AM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: The Fourth
The magazine's figures appear to be liberally slanted. Don't know how good their poll sample was.
14 posted on 02/14/2004 11:08:59 AM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: FRgal4u
MoveOn.org IS a PAC and yet the media never called them a "special interest group" or partisan lobbyists. They were nothing but "concerned citizens".

Well at least Newsweek is sending FR some traffic so we can provide rebuttal to their charges. Hello, visitors.

15 posted on 02/14/2004 11:10:43 AM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: Gracey
It's a well known fact that when you wish to skew the results you add only ONE of the party you wish to win and MANY of the opposition to dilute the results. Did you see that's how they got Hillary to be the most Popular so and so woman recenty. She won with (only 16%) but it was skewed in her favor.

The media Pushes Polls? Noooooo. Say it isn't so. < /sarcasm >

16 posted on 02/14/2004 11:12:26 AM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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Since the FReep is over, I thought some Newsweek and MSNBC websurfers might be interested in seeing a story that the media is overlooking this election...

Ex-POW Corrects Sen. Kerry- war hero

And I'd also like to add this interview with John Kerry himself:

Kerry speaks about HIS War Crimes

Portion of John Kerry remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" May 6, 2001:

MR. RUSSERT: You mentioned you're a military guy. There's been a lot of discussion about Bob Kerrey, your former Democratic colleague in the Senate, about his talking about his anguish about what happened in Vietnam. You were on this program 30 years ago as a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. And we went back and have an audiotape of that and some still photos. And your comments are particularly timely in this overall discussion of Bob Kerrey. And I'd like for you to listen to those with our audience and then try to put that war into some context:

(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):

MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

(End audiotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Thirty years later, you stand by that?

SEN. KERRY: I don't stand by the genocide. I think those were the words of an angry young man. We did not try to do that. But I do stand by the description-I don't even believe there is a purpose served in the word "war criminal." I really don't. But I stand by the rest of what happened over there, Tim.

I mean, you know, we-it was-I mean, we've got to put this war in its right perspective and time helps us do that. I believe very deeply that it was a noble effort to begin with. I signed up. I volunteered. I wanted to go over there and I wanted to win. It was a noble effort to try to make a country democratic; to try to carry our principles and values to another part of the world. But we misjudged history. We misjudged our own country. We misjudged our strategy. And we fell into a dark place. All of us. And I think we learned that over time. And I hope the contribution that some of us made as veterans was to come back and help people understand that.

I think our soldiers served as nobly, on the whole, as in any war, and people need to understand that. There were great sacrifices, great contributions. And they came back to a country that didn't thank the veteran, that didn't-I mean, everything that the veteran gained in the ensuing years, Agent Orange recognition, post-Vietnam stress syndrome recognition, the extension of the G.I. Bill, you know, improvement of the V.A. hospitals, all came from Vietnam veterans themselves fighting for it. Indeed, even the memorial in Washington came from that.

MR. RUSSERT: By your own comments, Bob Kerrey was not alone in doing the things that he did.

SEN. KERRY: Oh, of course, not. And not only that, we, the government of our country, ran an assassination program. I mean, Bill Colby has acknowledged it. We had the Phoenix Program, where they actually went into villages to eliminate the civilian infrastructure of the Vietcong. Now, you couldn't tell the difference in many cases who they were. And countless veterans testified 30 years ago to that reality. And I think-look, there's no excusing shooting children in cold blood, or women, and killing them in cold blood. There isn't, under any circumstances. But we're not asking, you know, nor is Bob Kerrey saying, "Excuse us for what we did." We're asking people to try to understand the context and forgiveness. And I think the nation needs to understand what the nation put its young in a position to do, and move on and take those lessons and apply them to the future.

MR. RUSSERT: The folks who oversaw the war, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger, you do not now 30 years later consider them war criminals?

SEN. KERRY: No, I think we did things that were tantamount that certainly violated the laws of war, but I think it was the natural consequence of the Cold War itself. People made decisions based on their perceptions of the world at that time. They were in error. They were judgments of error. But I think no purpose is served now by going down that road. I think, you know, the rhetoric of youth and of anger can be redeemed by the acts that we put in place after time to try to move us beyond that. And I think there are great lessons to learn from it. But we would serve no purpose with that now. But we have to be honest about the mistakes we made. We don't have legitimacy in the world, Tim, if we go to other countries, in Bosnia or China or anywhere else, and not say, "You know, we made some terrible mistakes."

And that honesty, that lack of a sense of honesty is part of what is driving people's anger toward the United States today. That's why we have the vote in the U.N. That's why people-our allies, too-are disturbed by this defense posture. You can't abrogate the ABM treaty and move forward on your own to build this defense in a way that threatens the perceptions of security people have. And if you build a defense system, Tim, that can do what they say at the outside, which is change mutual assured destruction, you have invited a potential adversary to build, build, build, to find a way around it. The lesson of the Cold War is, you do not make this planet safer by moving unilaterally into a place of new weapons. Every single advance in weaponry through the Cold War was matched by one side or the other, and that's why we put the ABM treaty in place, and that's why we need to proceed very cautiously and very thoughtfully.

MR. RUSSERT: John Kerry, we thank you for your views.

SEN. KERRY: Thank you.

Did Kerry lie when he spoke before Congress (the quote above was not from his Congressional tesimony), did he deliberately tell falsehoods and exagerations so as to end the war quicker (by providing aid and comfort to the enemy) or did he participate in warcrimes?

The answer to both of those questions is more important than nagging DNC questions about if George W. Bush was AWOL despite evidence he wasn't. These questions are also more important than questions about John Kerry sexually harassing an aide and the DNC knows it; they'd rather talk about sex than Kerry's Vietnam past.


17 posted on 02/14/2004 11:41:28 AM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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Dear linked readers from the unscientific MSN poll

Please check out these comments from the 'other side of the fence', so to speak.

Post #1 on referenced thread linked below: "Should We Report Freepers Whenever they try "Freeping" polls? Why should we let Freepers vote up to 10 times on the same poll. We should report "Freeps" to the webmasters of the sites conducting the polls. I remember a few months ago we got a poll shut down because it was being Freeped."

Post #2 in answer in thread referenced in link below:"And yes we should continue DUing polls. There is a need to help people from making stupid mistakes and if a poll result might influence even one person from supporting these idiots in charge then I have no qualms with it."
You caught that they admitted to messing with the unscientific polls, and admit to wanting to think for you? So, the friendly people at MSN must also link to the page at DU where these statements can be found so they can be honest in their statements.
Page can be found here unless it's been deleted already.

Thank you for reading and understanding.

18 posted on 02/14/2004 11:47:52 AM PST by Darksheare (This tagline manufactured in a fourth world sweatshop. More available for half price, 1/4th quality.)
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To: Gracey
Hmm, you mean kind of how like the AFA Marriage Poll had two choices (for gay marriage and for gay civil union) so as to split the pro-gay vote, but only one choice for the anti-gay side? (against any form of gay union)
19 posted on 02/18/2004 1:39:44 PM PST by Desert Wanderer
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why did Pres. Clinton have us believe that Weapons of Mass Destruction threatened the US and the World?? Why would he lie to us?
20 posted on 02/18/2004 2:05:02 PM PST by rface (Ashland, Missouri)
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