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Moving the Orbits of Planets
David Jewitt ^ | Last updated Sep 2004 | David Jewitt

Posted on 02/02/2006 9:44:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv

Meanwhile, the Doppler discovery of extrasolar planets orbiting very close to their parent stars has raised a different problem. Many of the planets are so close to their stars (<0.1 AU), and so hot, that they cannot be supposed to have formed where we now observe them. By inference, they could have formed at larger distances (several AU) and then migrated inwards. What would cause this inward migration? As with the solar system case, the root cause may be an exchange of angular momentum with material surrounding the planets at their formation. In particular, if the extrasolar planets formed in massive disks, then torques between the planets and the disks could drive the former inwards.

Aha, you say, why did they stop? There are several possible answers to this question (including the most brutally honest one "we don't know"). Indeed, they might not have stopped, in the sense that the observed close-in extrasolar planets could be the survivors from a now-defunct armada of planets that plopped into their stars never to be seen again. In this case, what we see is what was left behind after the planetary accretion disk dissipated and the tidal torques disappeared. Another possibility is that inward migration stopped when the planets reached the inner edge of the planetary accretion disk, because then the torques acting to propel them inwards would vanish.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; catastrophism; davidjewitt; deusexmachina; henryhsieh; immanuelvelikovsky; science; velikovsky; worldsincollision; xplanets
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To: RightWhale

Adding Mercury to Mars would be helpful. Cooling Venus could be started now, but would take thousands of years (at least).


21 posted on 02/02/2006 10:18:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: SunkenCiv
but would take thousands of years

Oh, was going to suggest we get going on this tomorrow, but if it will take that long we better start this afternoon.

22 posted on 02/02/2006 10:21:43 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: RightWhale

I've got it. We'll meditate, and send cooling thoughts toward the planet. ;')


23 posted on 02/02/2006 10:28:21 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: SunkenCiv

When I see planet Venus, I see with real estate broker's eyes.


24 posted on 02/02/2006 10:30:10 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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re: 55 Cancri

Astronomy Picture of the Day 09-01-04
NASA | 09-01-04 | Robert Nemiroff and Jerry Bonnell
Posted on 09/01/2004 9:34:45 AM PDT by petuniasevan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1204850/posts


25 posted on 02/02/2006 10:31:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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related:

Massive Object Calls Planet Discoveries into Question
Space dot com (via Yahoo) | Thu, Jan 20, 2005 | Robert Roy Britt
Posted on 01/21/2005 9:19:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1325494/posts


26 posted on 02/02/2006 10:32:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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Scientific maverick's theory on Earth's core up for a test
SF Chronicle | Monday, November 29, 2004 | Keay Davidson
Posted on 12/05/2004 11:17:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1294934/posts

The July 2002 issue of Discover had this article:

The Strange Case of the Iron Sun
by Solana Pyne

In the late 1960s, chemist Oliver Manuel made a small but staggering discovery about meteorites. He noticed that the abundances of certain elements in meteorites were distinctly different from those in the Earth and much of the solar system. This observation spurred research showing that our solar system probably formed from material generated in many different stars. For Manuel, it also spawned a radical theory about the origins of our solar system, which he has doggedly pursued for forty years. Nearly all astronomers agree that the Sun and the rest of the planets formed from an amorphous cloud of gas and dust 4.6 billion years ago. But Manuel argues, based on his compositional data, that the solar system was created by a dramatic stellar explosion--a supernova--and that the iron-encased remnant of the progenitor star still sits at the center of the Sun.

11 posted on 12/05/2004 6:04:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1294934/posts?page=11#11


27 posted on 02/02/2006 10:35:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: RightWhale

:') Those property data sheets in the info boxes on the for sale signs would burn right up. ;')


28 posted on 02/02/2006 10:36:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: RightWhale

Someone once suggested on a space blog that we move Venus to the opposite side of Earth's orbit so that it is exactly Earth's distance, but opposite the sun, then make Mars a moon of Venus, and terraform both.

Wild idea, but would make for a cool sci-fi movie.


29 posted on 02/02/2006 10:37:57 AM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: RockinRight

It would take a lot of planning so as to not disturb earth's orbit during the move. The most stable station points would be 60 degrees before or after earth's position.


30 posted on 02/02/2006 10:40:27 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: RightWhale

Not to mention one buttkicker of a rocket engine.


31 posted on 02/02/2006 10:58:43 AM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: 75thOVI; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; Berosus; CGVet58; chilepepper; ckilmer; Eastbound; ...
Sun Might Have Exchanged Hangers-On With Rival Star
by Dennis Overbye
NY Times
December 2, 2004
Either encounter would also leave alien planetoids in our solar system (and some of ours in the alien system) orbiting at a steep angle to the plane in which the planets go around. And so the next step is to search for such objects.

Sedna itself has only a moderately inclined orbit , the astronomers say. A more likely candidate for an extra-solar origin is another icy wanderer, known as 2000 CR105, about half the size of Sedna, discovered out beyond Neptune in 2000. Its orbit is inclined 20 degrees to the planets.

The detection of objects with inclinations of 40 degrees or more, the authors write in Nature, "would clinch the case for extrasolar objects in the solar system."

32 posted on 02/02/2006 10:11:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: KevinDavis

maybe a space list ping? Not like me to neglect that, I'm always buggin' you with pings.

Anyway, a related topic you've posted:

The most earthlike planet yet
Astronomy | 02/02/06 | Francis Reddy
Posted on 02/02/2006 5:27:18 PM PST by KevinDavis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1570611/posts

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=3922


33 posted on 02/02/2006 10:28:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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Extrasolar planet discoveries, various links:

list of all or most:
http://obswww.unige.ch/~naef/who_discovered_that_planet.html

more about Barnard's star here:
http://www.public.asu.edu/~sciref/exoplnt.htm

Gliese 876 discoverers, among other things:
http://exoplanets.org/

from 2002:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/exoplanet_scoreboard_020628.html


34 posted on 02/02/2006 11:06:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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extrasolar planet discoveries:
Google

35 posted on 02/02/2006 11:13:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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speaking of Mercury...

Was Mercury a ‘hit-and-run’ planet?
MSNBC Space News | Jan. 11, 2006 | By Robert Roy Britt
Posted on 01/25/2006 10:26:47 PM PST by Swordmaker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1565199/posts


36 posted on 02/05/2006 7:08:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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The Growing Habitable Zone: Locations for Life Abound
Space.com | 07 February 2006 | Ker Than
Posted on 02/07/2006 1:59:24 PM PST by tricky_k_1972
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1573798/posts


37 posted on 02/07/2006 10:18:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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Astronomers poised to apply novel way to look for comets beyond Neptune
EurekAlert | 7-Jan-2003 | Anne Stark
Posted on 11/07/2005 10:41:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1517866/posts


38 posted on 02/07/2006 10:19:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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NASA telescope spots two mega solar systems
ap on San Diego Union Tribune | 2/8/06 | AP
Posted on 02/08/2006 3:53:01 PM PST by NormsRevenge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1574695/posts

Spitzer Sees the Aftermath of a Planetary Collision
Universe Today | Jan. 10, 2005 | Dolores Beasley and Gay Yee Hill
Posted on 01/13/2005 8:50:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1320521/posts


39 posted on 02/08/2006 10:27:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv ([singing] Kaboom, kaboom, ya da da da da da, ya da da da da da...)
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Catastrophism

40 posted on 04/01/2006 8:21:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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