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Snapshot Of Past Climate Reveals No Ice In Antarctica Millions Of Years Ago
ScienceDaily ^ | July 29, 2008 | Natural Environment Research Council and Cardiff University

Posted on 03/06/2009 1:04:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv

A snapshot of New Zealand's climate 40 million years ago reveals a greenhouse Earth, with warmer seas and little or no ice in Antarctica, according to research recently published in the journal Geology. The study suggests that Antarctica at that time was yet to develop extensive ice sheets. Back then, New Zealand was about 1100 km further south, at the same latitude as the southern tip of South America -- so was closer to Antarctica -- but the researchers found that the water temperature was 23-25°C at the sea surface and 11-13°C at the bottom. "This is too warm to be the Antarctic water we know today," said Dr Catherine (Cat) Burgess from Cardiff University and lead-author of the paper. "And the seawater chemistry shows there was little or no ice on the planet." These new insights come from the chemical analysis of exceptionally well preserved fossils of marine micro-organisms called foraminifers, discovered in marine rocks from New Zealand. The researchers tested the calcium carbonate shells from these fossils, which were found in 40 million-year-old sediments on a cliff face at Hampden Beach, South Island... "Our work provides another piece of evidence that, in a time period with relatively high carbon dioxide levels, temperatures were higher and ice sheets were much smaller and likely to have been completely absent." The rock sequence from the cliff face covers a time span of 70,000 years and shows cyclical temperature variations with a period of about 18,000 years. The temperature oscillation is likely to be related to the Earth's orbital patterns.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: antarctica; australia; catastrophism; newzealand
Typical specimen of Globigerinatheka index from Hampden Beach. (Credit: Image courtesy of Cardiff University)

Snapshot Of Past Climate Reveals No Ice In Antarctica Millions Of Years Ago

1 posted on 03/06/2009 1:04:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Global Warning Hysteria Alert!! Al Gore Mystified!!!


2 posted on 03/06/2009 1:07:18 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll)
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Mars On Earth: Arctic Crater Reveals Martian Secrets (pt 2)
Haughton Crater is the remaining scar from a high-speed collision between Earth and some heavy object from space about 23 million years ago. The comet or asteroid that created the crater was perhaps more than a mile (up to 2 kilometers) across and slammed into the forest that existed on Devon Island. Everything was annihilated for scores of miles in all directions. The impact churned up rock from more than a mile below the surface, vaporizing much of it. It's estimated that between 70 and 100 billion tons of rock was excavated from the crater in the moments just after the impact. While clouds of dust and gas filled the air, rock rained down from the sky, much of it in the form of what geologists now call breccia, which simply means "broken up." Scattered within the breccia are pieces of a rock called gneiss that normally is dark and dense. In Haughton Crater breccia, the "shocked gneiss" resembles pumice stone -- it's ash-white, porous and very lightweight.
Voices of the Rocks
by Robert Schoch
and Robert Aquinas McNally
(pp 1-3)
other supplier
"Yet, as it will, life returned to this site of complete devastation... The world those fossils described, the one that flourished on the order of 20 million years ago, during the early Miocene epoch, was strikingly different from today's Arctic... Devon Island was covered with a forest of birch trees and conifers, a landscape that one now finds about 2,000 miles to the south, in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Maine. Now-extinct forms of rhinoceros and mouse deer browsed among the trees; shrews and pika-like relatives of modern rabbits darted through the shadows; and freshwater fish swam the lakes and streams...

"Even farther back, on the order of 45 to 65 million years ago, during the Paleocene and Eocene epochs, the fossil record shows Devon Island to have been still more profoundly different. Back then, what is now the Arctic was a region of swampy lowlands, slow-moving rivers, and towering forests of dawn redwood, kadsura, and ancestral forms of hickory, elm, birch, sycamore, and maple. Primitive fishes, crocodiles, salamanders, newts, and turtles inhabited the rivers and marshes, while the forests and meadows supported flying lemurs, early primates, forerunners of today's cats and dogs, and ancestors of the rhinos, tapirs, and horses."
Northern Crater Shows Prehistoric Deep Impact
by Ned Rozell
July 7, 1998
Haughton Crater is one of about 160 impact craters on Earth that range in size from 200 feet in diameter to 180 miles in diameter... About 15 miles from lip to lip, Haughton Crater is much smaller than Chicxalub, but it is an excellent crater to study because so little of it has eroded in millions of years. During the last ice age, Haughton Crater was protected by an ice field that sealed the crater from wind and extreme weather... Lakes formed in the bed of the crater, and it eventually began to resemble what it looks like today -- a 15-mile blemish that would catch your eye if you flew over it in an aircraft... Why study something that happened 22 million years ago?

3 posted on 03/06/2009 1:09:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; BBell; ...
 
Catastrophism
 
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4 posted on 03/06/2009 1:09:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Rurudyne; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel

Somehow the story manages to shill about so-called global warming.


5 posted on 03/06/2009 1:10:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Let’s see there is fossil fuel in the arctic and in the arabian deserts, which are both now places that are incapable of sustaining the plant and animal life needed to create fossil fuel. Therefore, the climate changed radically eons before man even appeared. Yet we are supposedly changing the climate by not using flouresecent bulbs.


6 posted on 03/06/2009 1:10:46 PM PST by Lou Budvis (0bama Lied and the Market Died)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, we better be looking at changing the Earth’s Orbital patterns then! Ohhhhh ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL would you get right on that Orbital change please Mr. Gore?


7 posted on 03/06/2009 1:11:41 PM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Our work provides another piece of evidence that, in a time period with relatively high carbon dioxide levels, temperatures were higher and ice sheets were much smaller and likely to have been completely absent."

And the world did not end; life thrived and expanded. Mother Nature does just fine without our interference.

Note to ALgore

8 posted on 03/06/2009 1:11:48 PM PST by chit*chat
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To: SunkenCiv

“in a time period with relatively high carbon dioxide levels”

How high?
How many PPM?


9 posted on 03/06/2009 1:12:17 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares (Refusing to kneel before the socialist messiah. 1-20-13 Freedom Day.)
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To: Lou Budvis

Amusingly, the magnetic pole used to have one end in Arabia. ;’)


10 posted on 03/06/2009 1:12:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sumerians and others who write about the 12th planet and its cyclical effect on earth and the inner solar system, would say that is because Antarctica was not originally located at earth’s “South pole”

Some even speculate that Antarctica was once a tropical to temperate continent known as “atlantis”


11 posted on 03/06/2009 1:13:12 PM PST by silverleaf (Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose")
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To: SunkenCiv

amusingly some lore suggests that the great pyramid of Egypt is aligned at the original north pole


12 posted on 03/06/2009 1:14:44 PM PST by silverleaf (Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose")
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To: SunkenCiv
A snapshot of New Zealand's climate 40 million years ago

Wow, I'm amazed the film lasted that long.

13 posted on 03/06/2009 1:16:30 PM PST by Krodg
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To: SunkenCiv

Since there were dinosaurs on Antactica, this is not a big surprise


14 posted on 03/06/2009 1:19:20 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: SunkenCiv

So.... who took the snapshot?

Did they use a Kodak Instamatic or a Brownie?


15 posted on 03/06/2009 1:22:21 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s too bad there wasn’t a primordial Al Gore there to save these little creatures from extinct as the oceans cooled.


16 posted on 03/06/2009 1:24:10 PM PST by redangus
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To: Lou Budvis
Let’s see there is fossil fuel in the arctic and in the arabian deserts, which are both now places that are incapable of sustaining the plant and animal life needed to create fossil fuel. Therefore, the climate changed radically eons before man even appeared

Not necessarily. Over the time scales involved the continents slide around. Plate tectonics, you know. Antarctica hasn't always been at the south pole.

17 posted on 03/06/2009 1:27:45 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: SunkenCiv; silverleaf
Magnetic North moves quite a lot in a short period of time. Wonder how this effects the climate and such? http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/long_mvt_nmp_e.php
18 posted on 03/06/2009 1:29:09 PM PST by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: SunkenCiv
I thought it was well known that Antarctica was near equatorial back then (and part of the Indian subcontinent)
19 posted on 03/06/2009 1:31:27 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bush’s fault


20 posted on 03/06/2009 1:32:42 PM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: wolfcreek

“Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant, varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every 200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a “reversed” state to its present “normal state”.”

780,000 years ago- Looks like we are about due. 2012?
http://www.slowmotiondoomsday.com/polarpivot.html


21 posted on 03/06/2009 1:34:46 PM PST by silverleaf (Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose")
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To: chit*chat
"Our work provides another piece of evidence that, in a time period with relatively high carbon dioxide levels, temperatures were higher...'

They got it backwards, as usual. In periods of relatively high temperatures, carbon dioxide levels increase.

22 posted on 03/06/2009 1:35:02 PM PST by Ditto
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To: SunkenCiv
Antarctica was pretty close to the South pole by 40 million years ago :


23 posted on 03/06/2009 1:40:07 PM PST by mysterio
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To: silverleaf

Man, that 2012 date just keeps poppin up.

“Effects on biosphere and human society”

“Because the magnetic field has never been observed to reverse by humans with instrumentation, and the mechanism of field generation is not well understood, it is difficult to say what the characteristics of the magnetic field might be leading up to such a reversal. Some speculate that a greatly diminished magnetic field during a reversal period will expose the surface of the earth to a substantial and potentially damaging increase in cosmic radiation. However, Homo erectus and their ancestors certainly survived many previous reversals. There is no uncontested evidence that a magnetic field reversal has ever caused any biological extinctions. A possible explanation is that the solar wind may induce a sufficient magnetic field in the Earth’s ionosphere to shield the surface from energetic particles even in the absence of the Earth’s normal magnetic field.[7]

Although the inspection of past reversals does not indicate biological extinctions, present society with its reliance on electricity and electromagnetic effects (e.g. radio, satellite communications) may be vulnerable to technological disruptions in the event of a full field reversal.”

Leave it to Wiki to calm our fears.


24 posted on 03/06/2009 2:10:06 PM PST by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: silverleaf
The only people who write about the 12th planet are modern. The Sumerians never did that. Sitchin's fictional / imaginary / fraudulent world with its 3600 year orbit occurs in his book and derivative works.

Rand and Rose Flem-Ath claim that Plato's Atlantis was in Antarctica, despite Plato's description, and like a lot of folks who have put it somewhere else (in Libya, in Anatolia, in the Aegean, in the North Sea, in the Andes, in Wisconsin, etc etc) bend over backwards and then some to try to make Plato's clear description into something that it is not. Also, the crustal displacement idea is a way to turn something that is clearly described as sudden and catastrophic into something cyclical and so gentle it would barely rattle the dishes in the cupboard.

Related but dead links (used to be anyway, haven't checked 'em lately):
Mechanics of Displacements
by Rand Flem-Ath
...the Antarctic beech trees are from two to three million years old. The point that was being made was that plate tectonics, as a theory, was incapable of explaining the existence of this forest so close to the South Pole a mere two to three million years ago. This is not to say that plate tectonics is wrong: it is simply insufficient on its own to account for these facts. At the slow pace of change demanded by plate tectonics the beech trees would have to be many millions (not just 2 or 3 million) of years old to be 200 miles from the South Pole. In other words, to account for the beech forest on Antarctica we need another whole Earth theory to explain the facts. Earth crust displacement is a complementary whole earth theory to plate tectonics that can account for these facts. We are not disputing the power of the plate tectonic theory: we are simply adding another set of lens with which the past might be viewed.
Spending Time and Wasting Space:
or how ice core dating went wrong

by Rand Flem-Ath and Colin Wilson
What we find from the ice core dating is that Lesser Antarctica has been covered in ice for at least 122,000 years, if not more. But when we shift our attention to the opposite side of the globe and look at Siberia, Beringia and Alaska we do not find equivalent ice sheets. Instead we find evidence of many large mammals such as horses, bison and rhinoceros swarming over grasslands. How can one part of the globe be under ice for at least 122,000 years while the exact opposite of the globe has no ice and large mammals (dating from 11,000 to 70,000 carbon-14 years ago)? This does not compute. Either the evidence from the north is wrong or the evidence from the south is wrong.

25 posted on 03/06/2009 2:14:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: wolfcreek

If there is a connection between climate and the position of the magnetic pole, I don’t know what it is, or whether anyone has studied it. Since *everyone knows* that *only humans* can have an impact on climate, studying such a phenomenon would be a huge waste of grant money. ;’)


26 posted on 03/06/2009 2:25:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: WayneS
"So.... who took the snapshot?"
Isn't it obvious?
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27 posted on 03/06/2009 2:26:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

28 posted on 03/06/2009 2:32:31 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Yo, Washingtonians, the American people called. They DEMAND their country back.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Good point


29 posted on 03/06/2009 2:39:34 PM PST by Lou Budvis (0bama Lied and the Market Died)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistory/planetx.htm

are all these cultural lores - the name Nibiru as derived from sumerian for planet of the crossing or “ferry” - fake then?

interesting story about a former astronaut trying to do archeological expedition into Antarctica after surviving “red genie”
http://www.lantis.tv/amp/releases/mars.html


30 posted on 03/06/2009 2:42:20 PM PST by silverleaf (Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose")
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To: silverleaf
Zecharia Sitchin's Errors: An Overview
by Michael S. Heiser
The goal here was to amass for readers every occurrence of the word "nibiru" in ancient cuneiform texts. Fortunately, this is possible because of the diligent work of the compilers of the well known Chicago Assyrian Dictionary, which bases its entries on exhaustive compilations of all cuneiform material know to the present day (there's a reason its taken decades to compile!). The study shows - from the texts themselves, not my opinion - that "Nibiru" is not a planet beyond Pluto and that the Anunnaki gods are never associated with it. These ideas are fabrications. Additionally, this study briefly details the sources left to us by the Mesopotamian scribes that are of an astronomical nature, and addresses Sitchin's "god to planet" matchups that he uses to reconstruct the cosmology of earth and our solar system. In other words, when Sitchin says "the god Marduk is the planet Nibiru" and proceeds to read this equation (and others) into the Sumero-Akkadian texts to interpret them, I compare such equations to the actual lists in cuneiform where Mesopotamian astronomers struck god = planet equations. Not surprisingly, they don't agree...

I was asked if I was willing to debate Mr. Sitchin two years ago by Art Bell on the air, and was asked again by Coast to Coast's weekend host, Barbara Simpson the same question months later. I accepted immediately; Mr. Sitchin has been silent; The only person who has responded to anything on this website has been the intrepid but unprepared Erik Parker, Sitchin's webmaster. To date Erik has not answered the questions below. He has not produced a single text that says Nibiru is a planet beyond Pluto, or that associates the Anunnaki with Nibiru. He has not refuted (or even understood) the points of Hebrew grammar I have introduced regarding "nephilim" and "elohim". (And in fairness, he can't be expected to since he has no language training). He has not explained why the Sumero-Akkadian story of building the tower (Sitchin says rocket ship) has the object being built with bricks, or why such advanced ETs as the Anunnaki came here with internal combustion engines. Most importantly, he has not explained why there has been no effort to arrange any sort of debate. Instead, Erik has attacked my motives and tried to twist parts of my discussions into "agreeing" with Sitchin (which is why I reproduce all our exchanges in whole - so you know who is twisting what). Zero response. Zero substance.
"Ali Zawas" and "Griffin Yeats" show up on web searches, but the pointers are to the "lantis.tv" site, or to other wacko sites which quote from / steal from each other.
31 posted on 03/06/2009 2:54:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

well, if there is no planet (or binary system) in the outer solar system that swings inside our known planetary system every 3600 years or so there are other theories! If “planet X” is in bound to meet the dates peoople think are recorded in ancient calendars etc we’ll know soon

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/29jul_planetx.htm

The Hab theory is also interesting to read about

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/198001/piri.reis.and.the.hapgood.hypotheses.htm

“The Hab Theory goes on, because every 6,000 years or so the polar regions accumulate so much ice that the earth begins to wobble on its axis. At a critical point the wobble becomes so bad that the earth capsizes, leaving the polar regions at the equator and the equatorial regions at the poles. The earth’s normal rotation then resumes until the new polar regions accumulate enough ice to cause another wobble and another cataclysm”

and the Piri Reis and Oronteus Finaeus - or Finé-map - mysteries make for good reading

Have been trying to find out more about Yeats- Griffin and Conrad- much of the search yields fictional novels written about Antarctic expeditions to find Atlantis or ancient civilization structures beneath the ice cap. Makes me wonder exactly what is going on and by whom regarding mapping the underground features or structures of Antarctica

there was this a couple years back
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/665579/posts

I did find a paper written by Conrad Yeats concerning the symbology incorporated into the design of Washington DC. It feels like reading about a real life Indiana Jones and National Treasure guy rolled into one

I’m surprised no one has made a movie about Red Genie and the real life adventures of Griffin and Conrad Yeats!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZB.htm


32 posted on 03/06/2009 4:24:38 PM PST by silverleaf (Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose")
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To: silverleaf

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZB.htm

“DR. CONRAD YEATS is a fictional character from the blockbuster novel RAISING ATLANTIS”


33 posted on 03/06/2009 5:38:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Piri Reis map (no llamas, just a man with his face in his chest and some other mythical beasts):

http://www.bilgiustam.com/resimler/2008/03/piri_reis.jpg


34 posted on 03/06/2009 5:43:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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me, from an defunct forum:
April 25, 2000 21:15:47 EDT -- The Hapgood, Hancock, and Flem-Ath ideas about the various medieval maps of Antarctica are gently and cogently refuted by Robert Schoch in his Voices of the Rocks (p 105-106 in particular, but the entire discussion begins a few pages earlier and is well worth reading).

July 31, 2000 17:40:48 EDT -- Regarding Hapgood -- I don't accept his interpretation of the old maps. Clearly those are based on copies of ancient originals, but often do not show what he claimed. The coastlines of all the continents were different before and during the most recent global glaciation. Maps made by purported, very ancient mapmaking civilizations would not show conditions remarkably similar to those of today. Robert Schoch's explanation of the apparent ice-free Antarctica in those maps makes more sense to me despite my catastrophist orientation.

August 17, 2000 20:19:11 EDT -- One reason gradual change doesn't explain glaciation is the lack of intermediate shorelines. The low point of the sealevel is attested by the "fossil" shoreline, but no intervening higher level is found in now submerged areas. This indicates that sealevel fell too quickly -- and rose again too quickly -- to leave traces of the intermediate locations. This alone dispenses with Hapgood's 2,000 years or so of crustal displacement, but the Flem-Aths have discarded that detail in favor of a very rapid crustal displacement. The Flem-Aths are stuck, however, because of the hemispheric discrepancy which can't be explained by pole shift. Antarctica is isolated by water, but the southern hemisphere is also cooler today due to the presence of the Antarctic icecap (at least that's the conventional reason -- Milankovitch would disagree).

35 posted on 03/06/2009 5:58:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
“DR. CONRAD YEATS is a fictional character from the blockbuster novel RAISING ATLANTIS”

Does that mean that he couldn't have written some excellent scientific studies?

36 posted on 03/06/2009 5:59:35 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

He has, but they were refereed by fictional PhDs then published in scientific journals which don’t exist.


37 posted on 03/06/2009 6:51:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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