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Were our earliest hominid ancestors European?
New Scientist ^ | Monday, June 1, 2009 | Bob Holmes

Posted on 06/01/2009 4:15:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Millions of years before early humans evolved in Africa, their ancestors may have lived in Europe, a 12-million-year-old fossil hominid from Spain suggests.

The fossil, named Anoiapithecus brevirostris by Salvador Moyà-Solà of the Catalan Institute of Palaeontology in Barcelona, Spain, and his colleagues, dates from a period of human evolution for which the record is very thin. While only the animal's face, jaw and teeth survive, their shape places it within the African hominid lineage that gave rise to gorillas, chimps and humans. However, it also has features of a related group called kenyapithecins.

Moyà-Solà says that A. brevirostris and some similar-looking kenyapithecins lived in Europe shortly after the afrohominid and kenyapithecin lineages split, and so that the divergence itself may have happened there. If he is right, our hominid ancestors lived in Europe and only later migrated to Africa, where modern humans evolved.

This "into Africa" scenario is likely to be controversial. Critics argue that discoveries like Moyà-Solà's are more likely to reflect the quality of the fossil records in Africa and Europe than offer clues to the actual origins of hominids.

Jay Kelley, a palaeobiologist at the University of Illinois at Chicago, points out that the fossil record from the time in question is much better in Europe than in Africa. "If you've got a record on one continent but not the other, naturally you're going to see origins of the group from the continent where you've got the record," he says.

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The face, jaw and teeth of a 12-million-year-old hominid named Anoiapithecus brevirostris. The fossil's presence in Spain suggests that hominids migrated from Europe into Africa before the evolution of modern humans (Image: National Academy of Sciences, PNAS)

Were our earliest hominid ancestors European?

1 posted on 06/01/2009 4:15:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 06/01/2009 4:16:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
Were our earliest hominid ancestors European?

Good question! Did they smell bad or have crooked teeth?

3 posted on 06/01/2009 4:16:41 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Truly Constitutional money isn't just backed by gold and silver- it IS gold and silver.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did the women not shave their legs or armpits? That’s a dead giveaway, to be sure.


4 posted on 06/01/2009 4:18:23 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Is a vegetatian permitted to eat animal crackers?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Were our earliest hominid ancestors European?”

Mai oui. They were cheese eating surrender munkees.

(Did he say munkees?)


5 posted on 06/01/2009 4:27:28 PM PDT by wildbill ( The reason you're so jealous is that the voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Possible Bravo Sierra Alert being posted.

IIRC, the loss of fangs was apparent in the African pre-men by 2.5 million years ago.

That jaw seems to have fangs.


6 posted on 06/01/2009 4:38:31 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/06/01/0811730106.abstract

The presence of both groups in Eurasia during the Middle Miocene and the retention in kenyapithecins of a primitive hominoid postcranial body plan support a Eurasian origin of the Hominidae. Alternatively, the two extant hominid clades (Homininae and Ponginae) might have independently evolved in Africa and Eurasia from an ancestral, Middle Miocene stock, so that the supposed crown-hominid synapomorphies might be homoplastic.


7 posted on 06/01/2009 4:39:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Thanks FN.
The Scars of Evolution:
What Our Bodies Tell Us
About Human Origins

by Elaine Morgan
"The most remarkable aspect of Todaro's discovery emerged when he examined Homo Sapiens for the 'baboon marker'. It was not there... Todaro drew one firm conclusion. 'The ancestors of man did not develop in a geographical area where they would have been in contact with the baboon. I would argue that the data we are presenting imply a non-African origin of man millions of years ago.'"

8 posted on 06/01/2009 4:42:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: GladesGuru

Thanks.

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn17225/dn17225-3_1000.jpg


9 posted on 06/01/2009 4:57:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: decimon

as it turns out, Whoops! Thanks decimon.

Were our earliest hominid ancestors European?
New Scientist | Jun. 1, 2009 | Bob Holmes
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10 posted on 06/01/2009 4:58:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: wildbill
Mai oui. They were cheese eating surrender munkees.

Did someone call for me?


11 posted on 06/01/2009 5:05:37 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: SunkenCiv
Millions of years ago, something happened to our ape ancestors that did not happen to the forebears of gorillas and chimpanzees, something that made them walk on two legs, lose their fur, sweat, develop larger brains, and learn to speak. While scientists have visited many a dig and studied many a fossil for clues, Elaine Morgan argues that all of the facts about our mysterious origins are right in front of us--in the form of fundamental flaws in the human design. Our propensity to suffer from lower back pain, obesity, varicose veins, acne, even infant death syndrome, is essentially the result of a cataclysmic event in our distant past.

SOURCE

May we include cranium size in 'fundamental flaws' - no animal has the same difficulties giving birth...

12 posted on 06/01/2009 5:08:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: SunkenCiv

“This “into Africa” scenario is likely to be controversial. Critics argue that discoveries like Moyà-Solà’s are more likely to reflect the quality of the fossil records in Africa and Europe than offer clues to the actual origins of hominids.”..........Huh?

What an amazing example of double-speak!


13 posted on 06/01/2009 5:20:25 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GladesGuru
Possible Bravo Sierra Alert being posted. IIRC, the loss of fangs was apparent in the African pre-men by 2.5 million years ago. That jaw seems to have fangs.

Did you miss the fact this fossil is supposedly 12 million years old? A tad older than 2.5 million.

14 posted on 06/01/2009 5:27:32 PM PDT by calex59
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To: count-your-change

Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree.


15 posted on 06/01/2009 5:39:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: calex59

More than a tad, but you are being a tad kind about my over looking that part of the article.


16 posted on 06/01/2009 5:43:43 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: SunkenCiv

On the basis of that small amount of evidence, it is declared to be a hominid ancestor. It really takes a lot of imagination to be a paleontologist!


17 posted on 06/01/2009 7:24:35 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: wildbill
(Did he say munkees?)

no, but he said "minkee" :)

18 posted on 06/01/2009 8:48:25 PM PDT by Republican Party Reptile
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To: SunkenCiv
Hmmm, since the Appalachians are some of the oldest mountains in the world......maybe we should concentrate on looking for our *ancestors* closer to home.
19 posted on 06/02/2009 3:57:54 AM PDT by wolfcreek ( The Republican Party shouldnÂ’t open itself like a whorehouse to new voters)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting theory. But the amount of genetic diversity and the amount of lingusitic diversity among humans is greates in Africa. According to biologists and linguists, this would indicate the source of human speech and human evolution is Africa. But that doesn’t discount the possibility that ancestors of modern humans may have evolved somewhere else, and then moved into Africa before they evolved further along the hominid line.


20 posted on 06/02/2009 8:02:07 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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