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Ice Sheets Can Retreat 'In A Geologic Instant,' Study Of Prehistoric Glacier Shows
Science News ^ | June 22, 2009 | University at Buffalo

Posted on 07/10/2009 2:41:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Modern glaciers, such as those making up the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, are capable of undergoing periods of rapid shrinkage or retreat, according to new findings by paleoclimatologists at the University at Buffalo... The proof of such rapid retreat of ice sheets provides one of the few explicit confirmations that this phenomenon occurs. Should the same conditions recur today, which the UB scientists say is very possible, they would result in sharply rising global sea levels, which would threaten coastal populations...The researchers used a special dating tool at UB to study rock samples they extracted from a large fjord that drained the ice sheet that covered the North American Arctic during the past Ice Age. The samples provided the researchers with climate data over a period from 20,000 years ago to about 5,000 years ago, a period when significant warming occurred.

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1 posted on 07/10/2009 2:41:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Time to throw out 'myth' of recycling
by David Harrison
London Daily Telegraph
March 4, 2003
Throw away the green and blue bags and forget those trips to return bottles -- recycling household waste is a load of, well, rubbish, say leading environmentalists and waste campaigners. In a reversal of decades-old wisdom, they argue that burning cardboard, plastics and food leftovers is better for the environment and the economy than recycling. They dismiss household trash separation -- a practice encouraged by the green lobby -- as a waste of time and money... The Swedes' views are shared by many British local authorities, who have drawn up plans to build up to 50 incinerators in an attempt to tackle a growing waste mountain and cut the amount of garbage going to landfills... The use of incineration to burn household waste -- including packaging and food -- "is best for the environment, the economy and the management of natural resources," they wrote in an article for the newspaper Dagens Nyheter. Technological improvements have made incineration cleaner, the article said, and the process could be used to generate electricity, cutting dependency on oil... Recycled bottles cost glass companies twice as much as the raw materials, and recycling plastics was uneconomical, they said. "Plastics are made from oil and can quite simply be incinerated."

2 posted on 07/10/2009 2:41:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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oldie (2001) from Popular Mechanics:
The Tree Solution
by Jim Wilson
As Greenpeace expanded to become the world's largest international environmental organization, Moore's star steadily rose and he eventually became vice president of research. Then he did something even more unexpected than joining the organization in the first place. He packed up and quit... In the months before his departure, Moore had begun talking heresy. "The environmental movement had gone astray and lost its perspective on forests," Moore says. "Rather than cutting fewer trees and using less wood, we should be growing more trees and using more wood." Greenpeace branded him an eco-Judas. Now comes the biggest surprise of all. Recently published research suggests that Moore is right. Cutting down old trees could be the best way to thwart global warming.

3 posted on 07/10/2009 2:41:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s all happened before, and nary an SUV in sight.


4 posted on 07/10/2009 2:42:14 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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5 posted on 07/10/2009 2:43:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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6 posted on 07/10/2009 2:43:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

More proof that the insane Algore and his EnviroBuddies are overreacting again. Somebody needs to get the boy some Prozac.


7 posted on 07/10/2009 2:44:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out?)
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To: SunkenCiv
I helped build and start up a couple of Waste to Energy plants. A pain to operate but the best way to reduce land fills.
8 posted on 07/10/2009 2:52:27 PM PDT by Little Bill (NH the Sixth Gay State.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Racism and lies!


9 posted on 07/10/2009 2:54:33 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: SunkenCiv

Memo to Gore and Barry...


10 posted on 07/10/2009 2:55:46 PM PDT by cranked
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To: SunkenCiv

No climate change, no justice. :)


11 posted on 07/10/2009 2:56:39 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: Little Bill

Sounds very sensible. And any jurisdiction can do it without draconian taxes and regulations, and without putting a straight jacket on the nation’s industries.


12 posted on 07/10/2009 2:57:04 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SunkenCiv

How timely. I just found my Velikovsky books in the storeroom. So when Venus leaves its orbit again, I’ll be ready.

parsy, who is getting them in the next load.


13 posted on 07/10/2009 2:57:20 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: parsifal

:’) Ice to see ya.


14 posted on 07/10/2009 3:02:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Little Bill

Any familiarity with plasma waste disposal?


15 posted on 07/10/2009 3:03:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Dallas59

Well, technically, opposition to Obama is only half-racist.


16 posted on 07/10/2009 3:04:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Kenny500c

If Israel would stop building settlements, global warming would reverse.


17 posted on 07/10/2009 3:04:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
GEICO Pictures, Images and Photos

Those cavemen had an awful carbon footprint you know.

18 posted on 07/10/2009 3:07:15 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Daveinyork
William the Conqueror's Global Warming
by Steven J. Milloy
Lloyd Keigwin, a researcher from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution... concluded that although sea surface temperature (SST) in the northern Saragasso Sea is now about 1 degree centigrade warmer than 400 years ago during the Little Ice Age, it is about 1 degree cooler than about 1,000 years ago during the Medieval Warm Period. Keigwin's conclusions are based on his study of sediment accumulation in the Saragasso Sea... Eleventh century society burned no gasoline. There were no electric power plants to burn coal. No chemical plants emitted volatile organic compounds (VOCs). Airplanes, reputed to emit as much of the greenhouse gases as the eighth most polluting nation, were still 900 years away from being invented.

19 posted on 07/10/2009 3:11:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
You know, buried in my brain is an old article from years ago, when I was in college.

It explained how an ice age could also begin very quickly.

Myself, looking at the temps in the northern US this year, I am laying in firewood.

20 posted on 07/10/2009 3:11:58 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: SunkenCiv
The study seems to have focused on tidewater glaciers, although he doesn't say where in Canada the study took place. I don't know why it would be novel to think once the North American ice sheet starts to retreat it could do so fairly fast.

They need to look at the bigger picture before making rash statements about the Greenland and Antarctic sheets, however. We know they haven't melted in 400,000 years - we've got the ice core data. Meanwhile, the North American sheets advanced and retreated several times. I've seen no data suggesting the interior ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are melting.

21 posted on 07/10/2009 3:16:43 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: SunkenCiv

Up until now I had been a skeptic, however, after reading this there is no way that I can go on denying the robust nature of the evidence..

I went to the scientific study itself and got this unique dating device’s specifications and threw one together in my garage an hour ago — at least the part I couldn’t scrape off the door— it told me that the concrete on my garage floor was poured on April 1967 beteen 9:00 am and 2:00 pm.

Other than my disappointment that it couldn’t tell me how long it took to cure, I think this new tool will revolutionize domestic relationships for years to come, just smear a thin film on a new calendar every year and all of those important dates we used to forget will be etched in perpetutity.


22 posted on 07/10/2009 3:17:26 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Good post.


23 posted on 07/10/2009 3:17:57 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: SunkenCiv

We are all gonna Die! !

Well - how about “We are all gonna drown!”


24 posted on 07/10/2009 3:24:11 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Old Professer; SunkenCiv; Rennes Templar; LexBaird; lowbridge; trooprally; Larry Lucido; ...
PRICELESS!

Up until now I had been a skeptic, however, after reading this there is no way that I can go on denying the robust nature of the evidence..

I went to the scientific study itself and got this unique dating device’s specifications and threw one together in my garage an hour ago




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25 posted on 07/10/2009 3:29:13 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

The Earth is billions of years old and will happily take care of itself.


26 posted on 07/10/2009 3:33:14 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: parsifal
How timely. I just found my Velikovsky books in the storeroom.

"Sheets in Rescission"

27 posted on 07/10/2009 3:38:37 PM PDT by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance; Old Professer
This fancy new dating system ya got there, it's gonna need a name.

How about E-Carbony?

Get it?

28 posted on 07/10/2009 3:42:41 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: SunkenCiv
There might be a problem with the length of a geologic instant but we might agree that a hundred years is a semi instant.

We have a national park including the Exit Glacier. It is on the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska. As you approach the toe of the glacier and the visitor center there are dated road signs beginning in 1896. I can't cite the distance but from the first sign it is a few miles to the glacier.

The US Government has been plotting the retreat of this glacier since 1896 and it has shrunk in a geologic semi instant very dramatically.


29 posted on 07/10/2009 3:44:57 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The boy's war in Detriot has already cost more then the war in Iraq.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Prophet of Garbage
30 posted on 07/10/2009 3:56:29 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: Old Professer
I, too, was instantly transfixed learning about it.

The researchers used a special dating tool at UB to study rock samples they extracted from a large fjord that drained the ice sheet that covered the North American Arctic during the past Ice Age.

All I can say is that thank goodness for the technical information made available to us by Science Daily.

I now know where I went wrong following the plans in the 1949 issue of Popular Mechanics. The critical pieces have been sitting in one of the kitchen drawers all along.

Dr Paul Siple eat your heart out!

31 posted on 07/10/2009 3:57:39 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
COMING OR GOING


32 posted on 07/10/2009 3:57:43 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: humblegunner

But where did the pre-dirt come from?

One must have faith either in God or the alternative, slow-motion spontaneous generation.


33 posted on 07/10/2009 4:08:49 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“More proof that the insane Algore and his EnviroBuddies are overreacting again. Somebody needs to get the boy some Prozac.”

Al Gore owns 2 or 3 companies(scams) that position him to make a fortune from this cap N Trade fiasco.


34 posted on 07/10/2009 4:09:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: SunkenCiv; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...
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FReepmail me to get on or off

Ping me if you find one I've missed.



35 posted on 07/10/2009 4:11:34 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wanna see a glacier disappear?

Wanna see it again?


36 posted on 07/10/2009 4:17:37 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Dysart

Shame on you...


37 posted on 07/10/2009 4:22:27 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 171 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: potlatch





SAME TUNE, DIFFERENT LYRICS


The media, nevertheless, love reporting unsupported scare scenarios. Last April (2007), the cover of Time magazine declared, "Be worried, be very worried." Amid lots of scary pictures of deserts, floods, and hurricanes, it said, "Global warming is already disrupting the biological world, pushing many species to the brink of extinction and turning others into runaway pests. But the worst is yet to come."

BUT SHOULD WE TRUST TIME MAGAZINE?


On July 24, 1974, Time published an article titled "Another Ice Age?" that read, "... the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age."

It's not just Time magazine that's unreliable on global warming. The popular press features possible crises on their front pages all the time, because bad news sells and they are in the business of selling copies of their publications and generating ad revenue, not reporting the truth about complicated subjects. As they say in the business, "if it bleeds, it leads."

These are the same guys who told us Alar, saccharin, Red Dye #2, dioxin, a hole in the ozone layer, electric power lines, and cell phones were all causing cancer epidemics, and that Y2K would shut down the nation's electric grid and banks.

REPEATEDLY PROVEN WRONG


They were wrong on every one of these issues. Cancer rates in the United States for the non-elderly population have been falling since 1970, and more recently for the total population including the elderly, and more recently still, even the absolute number of cancer deaths is now falling.

Somehow, the false predictions always appear in banner headlines on page 1, but the retractions appear on page 37, next to ads for septic tank pumps.

The major media will wake up eventually, and in 2010 or 2020 they will once again be trying to sell newspapers and magazines by predicting global cooling. The point is, nobody should trust the mainstream media to tell us what's going on in the global warming debate.


38 posted on 07/10/2009 4:22:48 PM PDT by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sarah Palin 2012 - - - - - -)
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To: SunkenCiv

Gee, I don’t know what to think. I hope it’s not a trick and that someone finally decided to use their thinker.


39 posted on 07/10/2009 4:32:20 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance; SunkenCiv
This very informative article about what would happen if all the ice melts, can be found again, as I just did, by Googling "if all the ice melts".

It even has pictures.

Bottom line, it will take a long time, and we'll still have enough land to grow our crops, and a longer growing season to grow them.

The only real problem will be that some groups will be displaced, and their neighbors may not be very accommodating about taking them in.

Put yourself in their place after all: We're not just talking about Bangladeshis seeking shelter in India. We're also dealing with New Yorkers asking for help from Pennsylvanians!

40 posted on 07/10/2009 4:56:01 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: smokingfrog

:’) That’s where I read about it as well.


41 posted on 07/10/2009 5:00:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: GladesGuru

“There’ll never be a midget weatherman. Because no one believes a midget until it’s too late. ‘There’s a flood.’ Yeah, to you.” — Dave Attell


42 posted on 07/10/2009 5:01:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: decimon

Since it’s been in the 50s and 60s most of the past two weeks and more, I’d love to see the glaciers disappear. ;’)


43 posted on 07/10/2009 5:06:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: cranked

...et al. ;’)


44 posted on 07/10/2009 5:06:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Snickering Hound
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45 posted on 07/10/2009 5:07:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Miss Marple

Good idea!


46 posted on 07/10/2009 5:08:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: colorado tanker

Thanks!


47 posted on 07/10/2009 5:10:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Old Professer

:’)


48 posted on 07/10/2009 5:11:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: dr_who

Thanks!


49 posted on 07/10/2009 5:11:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv; SouthTexas

By the time I end up in the great landfill on Boot Hill I will be setting out 17 different curbside bins at a cost of $22.57 per bin per month just to appease the recycle Goons of Gaia...


50 posted on 07/10/2009 5:11:47 PM PDT by tubebender (I just discovered where all my lost tag lines went...)
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