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Map points to giant ocean on Mars
London Evening Standard ^ | 11/23/09 | Mark Prigg

Posted on 11/23/2009 5:28:32 PM PST by KevinDavis

Scientists from Northern Illinois University and Nasa's Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston found dozens of valleys, shown in red, after using new software to analyse images of the surface and create the most accurate map to date. The valleys, first spotted in 1971, were caused by a network of rivers more than twice as extensive as previously mapped, pictured right. The new map shows water channels in a belt between the equator and mid-southern latitudes. Experts say this is consistent with heavy rain, and the presence of an ocean covering most of Mars's northern half.

"It would also explain why the valleys become shallower from north to south," said professor Wei Luo. The valley networks show some similarities to river systems on earth, the experts believe.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; catastrophism; mars; science; space

1 posted on 11/23/2009 5:28:35 PM PST by KevinDavis
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2 posted on 11/23/2009 5:29:22 PM PST by KevinDavis (Can't Stop the Signal!)
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To: KevinDavis

NASA and their pimp Bill Nelson must be desparate for Obama cash. Next they will claim there are dolphins swimming on oceans on Mars. Give it up. The country is broke. We cannot afford to launch Estes rockets.


3 posted on 11/23/2009 5:42:27 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: KevinDavis

NASA and their pimp Bill Nelson must be desparate for Obama cash. Next they will claim there are dolphins swimming on oceans on Mars. Give it up. The country is broke. We cannot afford to launch Estes rockets.


4 posted on 11/23/2009 5:42:31 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: KevinDavis

That is very cool.


5 posted on 11/23/2009 5:43:32 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Frantzie

True, we already played golf on the moon, we should let China have Mars all to themselves.


6 posted on 11/23/2009 5:46:42 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: KevinDavis

Is it possible that Mars was just like Earth at some time in the past? Could it have an an orbit similar to ours, and over the years drifted away(or forcibly driven away), too far from the Sun to sustain life/atmosphere/water? If the Earth drifted as from the Sun, I could imagine that it would evolve into a planet similar to how Mars is right now after a long period of time.


7 posted on 11/23/2009 5:48:10 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Frantzie
We cannot afford to launch Estes rockets.

Are you kidding?

We can’t afford to launch bottle rockets!

8 posted on 11/23/2009 5:48:32 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: KoRn; All

Something cause Mars to be in a present state.. That could have happened...


9 posted on 11/23/2009 5:49:46 PM PST by KevinDavis (Can't Stop the Signal!)
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To: Eyes Unclouded; All

Frack no.. We should be on Mars first...


10 posted on 11/23/2009 5:50:23 PM PST by KevinDavis (Can't Stop the Signal!)
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To: KevinDavis
Something cause Mars to be in a present state.. That could have happened...

I suppose an extensive search on Mars would be necessary. Then, we should know much much more about its past. It would be amazing if there were fossils on Mars.

11 posted on 11/23/2009 5:56:10 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KevinDavis

bump :)


12 posted on 11/23/2009 5:57:37 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (There was a hole here. It's gone now.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Tell 0 he has a private course on the moon with no distractions - keep the no way back as secret as his history.


13 posted on 11/23/2009 5:59:01 PM PST by mcshot (Our White Hut(tent) is not made up of the best and brightest, but they are practiced criminals.)
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Thanks KevinDavis, you're on a roll tonight!
 
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14 posted on 11/23/2009 7:03:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: KevinDavis

thanks for the ping


15 posted on 11/23/2009 8:15:47 PM PST by GOPJ (ObamaCare - slush fund scam that would make Bernie Madoff blush.)
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To: Frantzie

I watched an interview last night with David Satcher, Nicole Stott and Leland Melvin from the International Space Station.

With the Shuttle program winding down, they tried to put a good face on it, but I could almost sense the disappointment in their faces and their sense of loss with America having come so far in space research across the years, and the resignation now that it all seems to be slipping away.


16 posted on 11/23/2009 9:20:12 PM PST by onedoug
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To: KevinDavis
Something cause Mars to be in a present state.. That could have happened...

It's all about the mass. Mars is just to tiny to sustain a thick atmosphere (which would keep the water under pressure and thus in liquid form). Plus, it doesn't have a huge, spinning molten iron ball in the middle of it to help with a nice, shielding magnetic field like Earth's (which would keep the Solar wind from blowing away its atmosphere). If we hadn't been hit by that Mars-sized rock a few billion years ago, Earth would probably look a lot like Mars right now.

17 posted on 11/23/2009 11:41:03 PM PST by America_Right (The best thing about the Obama Presidency: McCain isn't the President!)
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To: KoRn; SunkenCiv
Is it possible that Mars was just like Earth at some time in the past? Could it have an an orbit similar to ours, and over the years drifted away(or forcibly driven away), too far from the Sun to sustain life/atmosphere/water?

Not the sun... All of the ancient religions were astral at first and the name associations between pantheon gods and planets are primordial. A group of primitive people devising an astral religion from scratch today would invariably end up worshipping the sun and the moon, but the two chieftain gods of every one of those ancient religions were Jupiter and Saturn, particularly Saturn. Plato consistently refers to antediluvians as "children of Kronos (Saturn)", and Hesiod, Ovid, and others refer to a "golden age" prior to the flood when Kronos/Saturn was "king of heaven". In the same language, the sun is the king of heaven now. The ancients clearly believed that Saturn had been a small star which we, Mars, and Venus orbited, and that the present sun then captured that older system. Youtube searches on "thunderbolts project" turn up some of the details, as will also going over http://www.thunderbolts.info.

18 posted on 11/24/2009 5:28:13 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: KoRn
too far from the Sun to sustain life/atmosphere/water?

It's distance from the sun has nothing to do with not having an atmosphere, it does have one, very thin but still there. The reason it is thin is loss of the liquid core of mars, which in turn caused the loss of the magnetic field around the planet which allowed the solar winds to gradually strip the atmosphere away to the point it is today. The thin atmosphere allowed the water vapor to evaporate into space. If our core ever cools and solidifies, depriving earth of its magnetic field, earth will suffer the same fate.

19 posted on 11/24/2009 5:40:24 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59
" It's distance from the sun has nothing to do with not having an atmosphere, it does have one, very thin but still there. The reason it is thin is loss of the liquid core of mars, which in turn caused the loss of the magnetic field around the planet which allowed the solar winds to gradually strip the atmosphere away to the point it is today. The thin atmosphere allowed the water vapor to evaporate into space. If our core ever cools and solidifies, depriving earth of its magnetic field, earth will suffer the same fate."

Thanks for the education! Now that you posted that, I recall seeing what you were talking about on a show regarding Tectonics, and what the planet would be like when our core 'stops'. Mars was their example.

20 posted on 11/24/2009 7:13:42 AM PST by KoRn
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To: SunkenCiv

21 posted on 11/24/2009 7:32:19 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: KevinDavis
We may have missed the significance of the presence of water. We know that god allowed Moses to cross to the other bank of the Red Sea!

Maybe the Old Testament was poorly translated. Maybe Mars belongs to the Jews!

22 posted on 11/24/2009 10:59:09 AM PST by Young Werther ("Quae Cum Ita Sunt - Julius Caesar "Since these things are so!")
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To: KoRn
“It would be amazing if there were fossils on Mars”

One of the Mar Rovers imaged what looked like a fossilized sea anemone on a rock's surface, then to discover the rock composition, ground the image off...

I had this on my blog at one point, but the post was lost some years back while changing ISPs.

23 posted on 11/24/2009 4:22:06 PM PST by PIF
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To: BenLurkin

Y’know, I thought it all looked familiar... ;’)


24 posted on 11/24/2009 6:08:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: KoRn
Is it possible that Mars was just like Earth at some time in the past? Could it have an an orbit similar to ours, and over the years drifted away(or forcibly driven away), too far from the Sun to sustain life/atmosphere/water? If the Earth drifted as from the Sun, I could imagine that it would evolve into a planet similar to how Mars is right now after a long period of time.
Not a chance. Mars has about 1/8th the mass of the Earth; what passes for an atmosphere on Mars has, at the surface, the same pressure as the Earth's at 40 *miles* altitude. Evidence of water is mixed -- there's water present under the surface, but no sign there were ever open seas (not surprising given the tenuous atmosphere). IMHO, all evidence for erosional events found to date conform to an impact model -- a chunka rock drops in; the energy released by the impact melts water under the surface; it goes from ice directly to vapor in the low pressure environment, in the process producing a temporary microclimate inside an all-vapor atmosphere; until it dissipates, the rest of the water is able to flow in liquid form. This explains the from-nowhere-to-nowhere erosional features and nothing else does. :')
25 posted on 11/24/2009 6:40:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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