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Scientists investigate the possibility of wormholes between stars
PhysOrg ^ | 2/25/11 | Lisa Zyga

Posted on 02/26/2011 7:53:00 AM PST by LibWhacker

(PhysOrg.com) -- Wormholes are one of the stranger objects that arise in general relativity. Although no experimental evidence for wormholes exists, scientists predict that they would appear to serve as shortcuts between one point of spacetime and another. Scientists usually imagine wormholes connecting regions of empty space, but now a new study suggests that wormholes might exist between distant stars. Instead of being empty tunnels, these wormholes would contain a perfect fluid that flows back and forth between the two stars, possibly giving them a detectable signature.

The scientists, Vladimir Dzhunushaliev at the Eurasian National University in Kazakhstan and coauthors, have posted their investigation of the possibility of wormholes between stars on arXiv.org.

The scientists began investigating the idea of wormholes between stars when they were researching what kinds of astrophysical objects could serve as entrances to wormholes. According to previous models, some of these objects could look similar to stars.

This idea led the scientists to wonder if wormholes might exist in otherwise ordinary stars and neutron stars. From a distance, these stars would look very much like normal stars (and normal neutron stars), but they might have a few differences that could be detectable.

To investigate these differences, the researchers developed a model of an ordinary star with a tunnel at the star’s center, through which matter could move. Two stars that share a wormhole would have a unique connection, since they are associated with the two mouths of the wormhole. Because exotic matter in the wormhole could flow like a fluid between the stars, both stars would likely pulse in an unusual way. This pulsing could lead to the release of various kinds of energy, such as ultrahigh-energy cosmic rays.

For now, the difficult part is calculating exactly what kinds of oscillations are occurring, and what kind of energy is being released. This information would allow scientists to predict what a wormhole-containing star might look like from Earth, and begin searching for these otherwise normal-looking stars.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: heartofthesun; mightyhostinthesun; saucersfromthesun; scientists; stars; stringtheory; sunsaucers; wormholes

1 posted on 02/26/2011 7:53:03 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Why not? These guys can’t hold real jobs. They ought to investigated the possibility of monkeys flying out of their @sses, while theyre at it.


2 posted on 02/26/2011 7:55:19 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Every knife in my back pushes me forward.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Have you ever met an astrophysicist? By definition, they cannot hold real jobs. Remembering to wear pants when leaving the house is a challenge.
3 posted on 02/26/2011 7:57:49 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: LibWhacker
Many interesting comments at the site, starting with this one:
"...scientists predict that they would appear to serve as shortcuts between one point of spacetime and another." This translates, roughly, to: "...scientists think it would be cool if they existed." There is as much evidence of wormholes as there is of deities. You can look and look for the proof, but until it shows up, it's slow news day material.

4 posted on 02/26/2011 7:58:56 AM PST by samtheman
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To: decimon; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...

Thanks LibWhacker. Einstein-Rosen bridge, the name for which was taken from dentistry (just an interesting bit of trivia, which I just now made up).


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5 posted on 02/26/2011 7:58:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: LibWhacker

Of course.

There is no other place wormholes could be.

If within a star, there would be no star. If in a black hole, there would be no worm hole.

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6 posted on 02/26/2011 8:01:16 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: LibWhacker

It has to have something to do with global warming or climate change or whatever they call it today.
Algore seems to have originated from space.
Aw,shucks. Just send all your money to him and maybe he’ll shut up.


7 posted on 02/26/2011 8:04:26 AM PST by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards lying to me.)
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To: bert

Maybe the wormholes exist in their brains possibly explaining why their “theories” instantly pop-up in the brains of their like-minded fellow “scientists”?

=8-)


8 posted on 02/26/2011 8:10:54 AM PST by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: LibWhacker

Perhaps they connect Hawkings’ “parallel universes” /s


9 posted on 02/26/2011 8:16:57 AM PST by circlecity
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To: LibWhacker
Reminds me of “the Mote in God's Eye”.

They had spaceships that could travel sublight using normal acceleration, but could “jump” between stars, but only at the “Alderson point” - apparently a “wormhole” that existed between stars that their “Alderson drive” could make use of.

10 posted on 02/26/2011 8:17:04 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: LibWhacker

Stargate.


11 posted on 02/26/2011 8:17:26 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: LibWhacker

Wormholes actually exist between the dandelions on my front lawn.


12 posted on 02/26/2011 8:17:44 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: the invisib1e hand

Butt monkey scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCf_t9aRgXc


13 posted on 02/26/2011 8:24:23 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: LibWhacker

Well, it would probably be too hot to travel between wormholes from one star to another, so we’ll have to go at night....


14 posted on 02/26/2011 8:25:25 AM PST by freebilly
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To: allmendream
Prologue from "The Mote In God's Eye"

“Throughout the past thousand years of history it has been traditional to regard the Alderson Drive as an unmixed blessing. Without the faster than light travel Alderson’s discoveries made possible, humanity would have been trapped in the tiny prison of the Solar System when the Great Patriotic Wars destroyed the CoDominium on Earth. Instead, we had already settled more than two hundred worlds. “A blessing, yes. We might now be extinct were it not for the Alderson Drive. But unmixed? Consider. The same tramline effect that colonized the stars, the same interstellar contacts that allowed the formation of the First Empire, allow interstellar war.

The worlds wrecked in two hundred years of Secession Wars were both settled and destroyed by ships using the Alderson Drive. “Because of the Alderson Drive we need never consider the space between the stars. Because we can shunt between stellar systems in zero time, our ships and ships’ drives need cover only interplanetary distances. We say that the Second Empire of Man rules two hundred worlds and all the space between, over fifteen million cubic parsecs.

“Consider the true picture. Think of myriads of tiny bubbles, very sparsely scattered, rising through a vast black sea. We rule some of the bubbles. Of the waters we know nothing. .

Great book I'm re-reading now.

15 posted on 02/26/2011 8:29:11 AM PST by Larry381
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To: Larry381
I agree with Heinlein ‘possibly the best science fiction I have ever read’.

I cannot believe that there hasn't been a movie.

A movie would start out all ET and Reese's pieces and then go all Aliens with living killing machines! “Nuke it from orbit - its the only way to be sure.” Except the Moties ate up nukes for breakfast!

Those “Alderson points” sound exactly like wormholes between stars.

16 posted on 02/26/2011 8:32:40 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Larry381

bttt


17 posted on 02/26/2011 8:34:04 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: LibWhacker

I love all the anti-science posts. Way to live down to the Leftist stereotypes of conservatives, guys.


18 posted on 02/26/2011 9:03:29 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: allmendream
I agree with Heinlein ‘possibly the best science fiction I have ever read’. I cannot believe that there hasn't been a movie.

Probably one of the best books I have ever read and you are right about the movie. For years I wondered why this excellent story wasn't turned into a movie.

19 posted on 02/26/2011 9:15:19 AM PST by Larry381
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To: SunkenCiv

I believe pink elephants also connect distant stars. There’s every bit as much evidence for that as there is with the BS they are running. This is another one of those things that I ‘wish’ were true, and I would like to believe it, but until there is real evidence.....


20 posted on 02/26/2011 9:17:05 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Mr. Jeeves
There is a reason that one of the enumerated powers of Congress is to promote the arts and useful sciences.

There is a reason why people around the world come to America for a university level education.

There is a reason why the USA is at the forefront of new drugs and biological discoveries that benefit the world - and provide intellectual and manufacturing jobs in the USA.

Now some of these models may be far-fetched - but SOMEONE is going to discover the next major breakthrough in Physics, it seems long overdue to me, and as an American I think it should be discovered in America.

21 posted on 02/26/2011 9:31:08 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Larry381
Until good 3D animation I wouldn't think it possible.

Muppets might work.

Those would be some awesome looking muppets!

22 posted on 02/26/2011 9:32:12 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Larry381
It would be amusing to see the motie Fyunch-click start acting and talking like ‘their’ human. Using those motion capture suits you could do something like it.

And the warrior moties would have to look like living moving demons. Never miss, never break discipline, think tactics and killing and little else.

It is such a good story. Love story, mystery, intrigue, betrayal, contraband, a great mystery, a great secret, the big reveal, and the fallout.

A GREAT movie!

23 posted on 02/26/2011 9:38:21 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: LibWhacker

They really have no clue. Cosmology has become nothing more that wild-eyed science fiction.


24 posted on 02/26/2011 9:39:33 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism is against human nature. Practicing liberalism is detrimental to your mental stability.)
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To: LibWhacker

Please remember, you’re reading the words of a science reporter, not the well reasoned arguments of the scientists themselves


25 posted on 02/26/2011 9:39:58 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: allmendream

Wormholes, like black holes, are simply products of general relativity theory. They are a logical product, and it is reasonable to research whether they exist.

Had an acquaintance at Los Alamos about 10 years ago who was trying to construct a wormhole. With enough energy in a small enough spot he calculated that he could warp spacetime and create a wormhole for a femtosecond or so. His dream was to try to obtain images of what was on the other end of the hole. Reminds me of Buckaroo Banzai and the creatures from the Eighth Dimension.


26 posted on 02/26/2011 9:47:15 AM PST by darth
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To: LibWhacker

In Iain M Banks’ “The Algebraist,” wormholes connect all large gas giants in the universe - which are all inhabited by a very reclusive and insular, very long-lived, radically nonhuman race called the Dwellers.

The Dwellers use the pathways when it suits their purposes, and never for purposes of others - their use of and the very existance of that use is a closely held secret.


27 posted on 02/26/2011 10:39:08 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
I love all the anti-science posts. Way to live down to the Leftist stereotypes of conservatives, guys.

It's rapidly getting worse; we're reaching a point where some scientists with an interesting hypothesis are drawing the same level of derision and hatred as a teacher that molests a dozen school girls.

It's not JUST that some people associate ALL of science with AGW, and not just creationists, either - is it just the equivalent of picking on the smart kid in school because he understands stuff that you don't?

28 posted on 02/26/2011 10:50:06 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: allmendream

That would be Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle for $100, Alex.


29 posted on 02/26/2011 10:53:20 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: darth
Had to look up femtosecond. One-quadrillionth of a second--if you sneezed you missed it all.

Who was Mr. Femto anyway and why did he get a unit of time named for him? One of Stalin's spies, no doubt...

30 posted on 02/26/2011 11:39:59 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: LibWhacker

What does a normal neutron star look like anyway? And what is the opposite—a rainbow-colored gay neutron star?


31 posted on 02/26/2011 11:42:05 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: allmendream
It is such a good story. Love story, mystery, intrigue, betrayal, contraband, a great mystery, a great secret, the big reveal, and the fallout. A GREAT movie!

It'd have to be very carefully done, though, so as not to become a geek-fest. Niven and Pournelle tend(ed) to write for an audience that was already well-acquainted with science fiction in general, and their particular universe in particular. And it has to be said, their grasp on love and intimacy was rather geekish and mechanical.

To do the story justice, the screen adaptation would need to be done by somebody who could turn it into a more human sort of story; or, alternatively, the human element could be pared down to the usual action-movie caricatures, and then it could be turned into a great explosion movie.

32 posted on 02/26/2011 11:54:25 AM PST by r9etb
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To: darth
Wormholes, like black holes, are simply products of general relativity theory. They are a logical product, and it is reasonable to research whether they exist. Had an acquaintance at Los Alamos about 10 years ago who was trying to construct a wormhole. With enough energy in a small enough spot he calculated that he could warp spacetime and create a wormhole for a femtosecond or so.

Brute force is always tempting for such things.... but one wonders if quantum entanglement (which has been demonstrated) is somehow already using wormholes or something like them.....

33 posted on 02/26/2011 11:58:26 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Yep, a pitiful failure of public education.


34 posted on 02/26/2011 12:55:22 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Verginius Rufus
Found these two different artist renderings:

I don't know if they would look the opposite if they had one end of a wormhole at the center, just that their spectral fingerprint would give them away or they would pulsate in some telltale way, etc. Didn't read the paper myself; when I read something, I like to understand at least 10% of it. :-)

Incidentally, I saw one of those little factoid things on neutron stars a few months ago that said if you fell off your bar stool on a neutron star, you'd hit the ground at three million miles per hour.

35 posted on 02/26/2011 1:30:01 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: 1rudeboy

Actually had one for a roommate once. Good guy; but had to ask him to put pants on before I brought my date in.


36 posted on 02/26/2011 1:45:17 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Every knife in my back pushes me forward.)
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To: r9etb

Never thought of quantum entanglement and the connection to worm holes.

I am an engineer; I always look for applications. Did you see my comments on the cloaking device? Dunno if that was ever built.


37 posted on 02/26/2011 2:34:55 PM PST by darth
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To: Strategerist

We need eggheads. Because they are eggheads. Some people do not understand.


38 posted on 02/26/2011 6:41:06 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; the invisib1e hand

“These guys can’t hold real jobs.”

Tell that to Jim Simons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Simons


39 posted on 02/27/2011 2:31:52 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: LibWhacker

Barrayar or bust!


40 posted on 02/27/2011 5:08:39 AM PST by Vor Lady
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To: AdmSmith
Hmm. It took 39 entire posts before some contrarian know it all put me in my place.

anyway, as I was saying, can't hold real jobs. Where would these "researchers" be without my fcking tax dollars? /rhetorical question.

41 posted on 02/27/2011 5:11:09 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Every knife in my back pushes me forward.)
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To: Larry381; allmendream
I cannot believe that there hasn't been a movie.

Because who ever owns the rights to the book hasn't sold the movie rights or who ever bought the movie rights is sitting on it. A not uncommon practice in Hollywood.

42 posted on 02/27/2011 5:13:33 AM PST by Vor Lady
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To: the invisib1e hand; SunkenCiv
I agree with you that some of the scientist are hard to employ in “real jobs” as some of them are bad in social skills, but in general I think that money invested in science and technology has paid off.

Here are just a few of the hundreds of devices and inventions that have been developed from knowledge gained with NASA space engineering.

TV Satellite Dish
Medical Imaging (Cat Scans)
Telescopes (that look for cancer)
Vision Screening Systems
Ear Thermometer
Fire Fighter Equipment and Suits
Smoke Detectors
Cordless Tools
Aerodynamic Wheels
Thermal Gloves and Boots
Space Pens (That write upside down)
Shock Absorbing Helmets
Ski Boots
Failsafe Flashlight
Invisible Braces for Teeth
Joystick Controllers
Advanced Plastics
Enriched Baby Food
Better Cardiac Pacemakers
Protective Paints
Scratch-resistant Glasses

http://www.suite101.com/content/nasa-space-technology-inventions-and-products-a200024

43 posted on 02/27/2011 10:03:46 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: LibWhacker



view from inside
44 posted on 02/27/2011 10:29:57 AM PST by Koracan
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To: darth

quantum entanglement = absolutely secure digital comms.

go engineer up one for me.


45 posted on 02/27/2011 11:00:25 AM PST by patton
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To: LibWhacker

I know for a fact wormholes exist. I have them in my back yard.


46 posted on 02/27/2011 11:13:10 AM PST by mtg
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To: patton

I’m not an EE.

However, what you asked for is under development. For all I know, we already have it. I was in meetings discussing faster-than-light comm many years ago when entanglement first became known. The application was obvious.


47 posted on 02/27/2011 2:07:08 PM PST by darth
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To: AdmSmith; KoRn

Thanks.


48 posted on 02/27/2011 5:51:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: darth

Dang plagerists always steal my ideas.

On time, I was meeting with the chief engineer at GM (back in the day when it was not government owned), and I explained to him how the radio needed to be wired into the speedometer.

Before the meeting was done, he stole my idea, and had it installed on my truck. He must of done, because he took me outside to my truck and showed me how to work it.

;)


49 posted on 02/27/2011 6:51:00 PM PST by patton
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