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The Nanjing Belt [ 5th c aluminum artifact ]
Bizarre History Blog ^ | Saturday, July 9, 2011 | Beachcombing

Posted on 07/11/2011 8:15:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The Nanjing Belt was discovered in a tomb in 1952 around a skeleton. The tomb and the body dated to the Jin Dynasty that brings us back to the early centuries A.D (265-420) and luckily the name of the occupant was established through an inscription. He was one Zhou Chou (obit 297) who died fighting, of all people, the Tibetans.

So far so easy: belts and even britches are common in graves around the world from the mysterious dragon buckles of Late Roman mercenaries to the ceremonial belts of the Lords of the Maya. In fact, the problems only really began when the boffins got the belt off Zhou and back into a laboratory.

The belt included 'about' (?) twenty pieces of metal -- which had presumably been attached to the now rotted leather -- and four of these were made of almost pure aluminium. Aluminium it will be remembered does not appear alone in nature. It took Europeans till the early nineteenth century to understand how to isolate this useful substance and even then the aluminium that issued was far from pure.

Chinese historians were, understandably, bemused and something of a civil war broke out, not helped by the fact that the Cultural Revolution was on the horizon. If there was a resolution though before Mao's guillotine came down it was that four pieces were, indeed, aluminium. The problem then was not metallurgical but rather archaeological: were they Jin Dynasty or had they been placed in the tomb in the nineteenth or twentieth centuries?

(Excerpt) Read more at strangehistory.net ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: aluminum; china; godsgravesglyphs; nanjingbelt
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To: patton
Before the Haber process works, you are going to need one HECK of a campfire...

Did they find AMMONIA at the excavation, too?

On another note:

The Hall Process involves the electrolyzation of molten cryolite. I doubt that the ancient Chinese were able to generate powerful electrical currents. The aluminum pieces must be a later addition.

Regards,

41 posted on 07/11/2011 9:32:04 PM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: patton

hey, you screwed up. it was the washington monument.


42 posted on 07/11/2011 9:32:27 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: SunkenCiv

the tip of the washington monument is aluminum. at the time it was the most expensive metal in the world, far more expensive than gold.


43 posted on 07/11/2011 9:34:19 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: SunkenCiv

I may be missing something from the article but aluminum does occur in nature but very rarely. So rarely that prior to modern technology, aluminum was valued more than gold.


44 posted on 07/11/2011 9:39:37 PM PDT by fso301
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To: patton
Can we duplicate roman concrete even now?

I believe so. It's called internally cured concrete.

45 posted on 07/11/2011 9:41:48 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

I may be missing something from the article but aluminum does occur in nature but very rarely. So rarely that prior to modern technology, aluminum was valued more than gold.


It still is, when it’s encasing beer on gameday.


46 posted on 07/11/2011 9:53:04 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Dogbert41
It still is, when it’s encasing beer on gameday.

LOL!

47 posted on 07/11/2011 9:55:48 PM PDT by fso301
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To: alexander_busek

Haber, Hall, ... Dammit Jim, I am a mathematician, not a chemist!

Actually, that is one reason I am not a chemist - I suck at names. Can’t remember them. Brain not wired for it. Lucky I can remember my own kid’s names.

I remember enough of chemistry to recall that to get AL out of bauxite, you gotta heat it to about 1000C, using electricity.

And that would take one heck of a campfire...


48 posted on 07/11/2011 10:00:47 PM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: Grimmy
Teenage time travelers.

aluminum nodules

49 posted on 07/11/2011 11:06:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: fso301

For years I had about an eight-ounce (formerly) molten blob of aluminum, from when a Chicago L train caught on fire. (I got some 8mm film of it.)

I went back a few days later and the stuff was laying around on the ground under the burnt-out wreck of the train in the elevated structure.

I think I lost that momento in a move 40 or so years ago.


50 posted on 07/12/2011 12:08:37 AM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: Pontiac
Look how long metallurgist have been trying to rediscover how to make Damascus steel.

I don't think that there is much "mystery" to this any more. Modern knife makers might be able to show the old timers a thing or two about Damascus.

Alabama Damascus Steel

51 posted on 07/12/2011 4:32:01 AM PDT by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: patton

These guys have a new process yielding alumina from clays:

http://www.orbitealuminae.com/


52 posted on 07/12/2011 5:38:19 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: patton

Pontiac Patton Aluminum ... but is it transparent??? Could there be stashes of it around the ruins but we just can’t see it? ... Flojistum here we come!


53 posted on 07/12/2011 7:30:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: bert

Wanna make a road trip?


54 posted on 07/12/2011 7:42:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Weightless and transparent - it is all around us, floating on the breeze ...


55 posted on 07/12/2011 7:45:28 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: patton

Ah, so that’s what the time travelers make their perpetual motion machines out of ... live and learn. I suppose they use zero point energy to fuel them.


56 posted on 07/12/2011 7:47:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: patton

Washington Monument is topped with alum. also.


57 posted on 07/12/2011 7:47:30 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: SunkenCiv

How many man-crafted pieces of aluminum are extant in the archeological collection of artifacts? Certainly they would be rare enough to be reported.


58 posted on 07/12/2011 7:58:30 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: MHGinTN; johncatl

-——Wanna make a road trip?-——

Actually, I have made the road trip.....twice in fact. The first was to Appalachian Center For Crafts, the fine arts school of Tennessee Tech and to Bristol Virginia where I purchased a Damascus blade from a master blade smith.

At ACFC I took a metals workshop in the studio next to the blacksmith works. Under the watchful eye of the resident metals instructor and master blade smith I saw the students there learn the making of various patterns of Damascus steel to be forged into knives. I became friends with two black smiths from Santa Fe who came to learn the Damascus steel making art. They explained the process in detail. For those of us who work silver, the forging process seems very heavy work, hot and sweaty.

In nearby Bristol a master blade smith makes and sells his wares. the various patterns he creates in his custom blades are a site to behold.

The secret to Damascus is work....... hammering and heating and folding and hammering and heating and folding over and over and over and over.

My work is to take this wonderful blade and provide a silver mounted hilt and a silver mounted and appointed scabbard


59 posted on 07/12/2011 11:06:01 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Flash mobs are trickle down leftwing REDISTRIBUTION))
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To: MHGinTN; johncatl

-——Wanna make a road trip?-——

Actually, I have made the road trip.....twice in fact. The first was to Appalachian Center For Crafts, the fine arts school of Tennessee Tech and to Bristol Virginia where I purchased a Damascus blade from a master blade smith.

At ACFC I took a metals workshop in the studio next to the blacksmith works. Under the watchful eye of the resident metals instructor and master blade smith I saw the students there learn the making of various patterns of Damascus steel to be forged into knives. I became friends with two black smiths from Santa Fe who came to learn the Damascus steel making art. They explained the process in detail. For those of us who work silver, the forging process seems very heavy work, hot and sweaty.

In nearby Bristol a master blade smith makes and sells his wares. the various patterns he creates in his custom blades are a site to behold.

The secret to Damascus is work....... hammering and heating and folding and hammering and heating and folding over and over and over and over.

My work is to take this wonderful blade and provide a silver mounted hilt and a silver mounted and appointed scabbard


60 posted on 07/12/2011 11:06:18 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Flash mobs are trickle down leftwing REDISTRIBUTION))
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