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Why Dr Hawass Resigned [ Egyptian Minister For Antiquities !!! ]
Dr. Hawass' weblog ^ | Sunday, July 17, 2011

Posted on 07/17/2011 7:03:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

"I am leaving because of a variety of important reasons. The first reason is that, during the Revolution of January 25th, the Egyptian Army protected our heritage sites and the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. However, in the last 10 days the army has left these posts because it has other tasks to do. The group now in charge of the protection of these sites is the Tourist Police, but there are no Tourist Police to do this either. Therefore, what happens? Egyptian criminals, thieves (you know, in every revolution bad people always appear…), have begun to destroy tombs. They damaged the tomb of Hetep-ka at Saqqara, the tomb of Petah-Shepses at Abu Sir and the tomb of a person called Em-pi at Giza. They attacked a storage magazine at Saqqara and we do not yet know how many artifacts are missing; they opened two storage magazines at Giza; one tomb dated to the 19th Dynasty, the only one in the Delta in fact, was damaged at Ismaïlia; and a store at El-Qantara East has been broken into and looted for antiquities... The second reason is that there are two crooks in the Antiquities Department, who have accused me of stealing antiquities and doing other illegal things all of the time. Their files talk about this. A third person started saying similar things, a university professor who was the Antiquities Director for almost 6 years before me, who never accomplished anything in that time. As a corrupt man, he even gave his signed permission to a rich lady from another Arabic country to take manuscripts out of Egypt! These three people encouraged young Egyptians to protest against me personally, to shout outside my office that they needed jobs.

(Excerpt) Read more at drhawass.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
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1 posted on 07/17/2011 7:04:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: Palter; FlyingEagle

Thanks!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ijBtFZ08OmsLpDoUeg-YSLO-p1Sg?docId=036d849b7eed4fd4ab3516b948a1f7ad


2 posted on 07/17/2011 7:04:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

How awful. Hawass is a good man who loves his country and its history.


3 posted on 07/17/2011 7:08:50 PM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Fanatical Muslims hate non-Islamic religions. In Afghanistan, many people first heard of the Taliban when they dynamited the giant Buddha statues early in 2001.

Ever wonder how the Sphinx lost its nose? Muslims.
Now other Egyptian antiquities are being damaged by the Muslim revolutionaries.

But don't worry -- Obama assured me that these people are secular types who just want democracy.

4 posted on 07/17/2011 7:11:54 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Islamists will destroy 4000 years of history in a generation.


5 posted on 07/17/2011 7:14:05 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hawass was as crooked as the rest of them. If you (a university) wanted to conduct a dig, you had better spend half your budget on taking him out for a good time, or you are screwed. He was a backward man in a backward culture in a backward country. When I think of all the things that were returned to egypt, uh! They’ll all be destroyed by the muzzies now.


6 posted on 07/17/2011 7:15:25 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: arderkrag

Typical conduct when the animals take over. Humane values stomped out by the islamic filth.


7 posted on 07/17/2011 7:16:15 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SunkenCiv

sad.


8 posted on 07/17/2011 7:17:51 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Good riddance. The man was a troll. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet him twice.


9 posted on 07/17/2011 7:18:09 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: SunkenCiv

These are the dreams of our leader for the US. Destroy our heritage and history and form a new socialistic era.


10 posted on 07/17/2011 7:22:49 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: reaganaut

And so ends the Egyptian tourism industry.

86% come from Europe, totalling $4.1 - 11 billion annually receipts from tourism. Now kiss it goodbye; from a country that had less than 1% GDP growth last year.

In a country of 81+ million. Powder keg.


11 posted on 07/17/2011 7:32:00 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Salvavida
When will Egypt go broke?
12 posted on 07/17/2011 7:38:21 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: SunkenCiv
Seems like just yesterday Hawass was screaming at the western world to return Egyptian antiques to Egypt. Thank goodness not all listened and in the future to see the real deal may only be outside of Egypt.
13 posted on 07/17/2011 7:40:14 PM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: Born to Conserve
Although I do not have the knowledge you indicated my impression was that he was a bureaucrat appointed because of connections and not ability. It was as if he had to appear in every documentary and he would behave as if he were the discoverer or resident expert. My personal opinion is that you would not acquire access to anything without his permission, based on whatever and his personal aggrandizement. I guess he may be a “bloviator”.
14 posted on 07/17/2011 7:40:38 PM PDT by Tuketu (Socialize the Legal System. Then we are all equal before the law.)
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To: RainMan

Remember your wonderful Egyptian vacation. Read this and weep.


15 posted on 07/17/2011 7:42:29 PM PDT by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Ever wonder how the Sphinx lost its nose? Muslims."

I always heard the Nazis shot the nose off that critter. Well, Nazis, Islamonutballs, same thing.

16 posted on 07/17/2011 7:45:11 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: Palter
When will Egypt go broke?

On their current course, 2 years best case scenario. UAE recently tried to prop them up with $3 billion, and it did have short term positive effects. But they are losing 1 billion per month of their currency reserves (24 billion): and that was before this report on their antiquities being raided.

With less than 5% arable land.....they won't make it. The tourism industry was always keeping them afloat. Their economy isn't designed to withstand this. They basically have nothing to offer but sand.

17 posted on 07/17/2011 7:48:40 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Don’t really care about Dr Hawass, but it’s sad to read about the looting. I hope someone steps in to protect these sites.


18 posted on 07/17/2011 7:50:37 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: West Texas Chuck

There is also a common belief that Napoleon’s soldiers did the deed — but sketches from the 1730’s show the nose missing by then, so we can’t blame the French. The consensus seems to be a particular iconoclastic Muslim who was furious that the locals were treating the sphinx as an idol, so he disfigured it.


19 posted on 07/17/2011 7:51:34 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ladyvet

My best guess is that Hawass now has enough stuff stashed to sell on the black market to live very comfortably for a very long time. Anyone who thinks these dudes are angels is just plain dumb.


20 posted on 07/17/2011 7:51:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Salvavida

Hawass was doing a lot to stop Egyptian tourism. He is the one that planned on closing the Giza plateau (pyramids) before 9/11. He has hurt both Egyptian tourism and archeology by severely restricting firmans to non Muslim universities. He has done a lot of damage during his tenure, and he is an arrogant SOB to boot. When I studied Egyptology at UCLA and when I worked with some Egyptologists during my tenure with AIA, no one like or respected Hawass.

Perhaps his successor will do something to actually help Egyptology and tourism.


21 posted on 07/17/2011 7:55:30 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Straight Vermonter

Oh come now. You don’t mean that. Really? A generation?

It will take them a month. ; )


22 posted on 07/17/2011 8:05:43 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SunkenCiv

Dr. Hawass was one of my favorite guys on the History Channel UNTIL I heard him praising Hamas and the PLO and excoriating Israel.

The “palestinians” do the exact same thing as other moslems do...destroying (or usurping with mosques)incredibly precious heritage sites such as Joseph’s Tomb, The Church of the Nativity, The Temple Mount, John The Baptist’s tomb in Damascus, The Church of Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, Joshua’s Tomb, The Garden Tomb, Tombs of Jewish sages throughout Israel, The Giant Buddhas in Afghanistan, The Golden Temple of the Hindus, And even The Tomb of the Jewish Patriarchs at Machpelah in Hebron. Not to mention the Site of Flight 93 and the World Trade Center. There is even a mosque in MY NEIGHBORHOOD close to the apartment complex where Mohammed Ata lived while he was going to flying school.

I have always loved the art of Ancient Egypt and am deeply distressed by its destruction at the hands of these fanatics. But Dr. Hawass is being a wee bit hypocritical.

Just my humble opinion.


23 posted on 07/17/2011 8:09:51 PM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: SunkenCiv
They did a piece on this guy in the American Airlines magazine last month.

He was controversial, but put Egyptians in charge of their heritage, got things on the right track, and was world respected.

Looks like he is a casualty of the "revolution", as is the tourist industry.

If the point of the "revolution" was to make things better, the muhammedans are going to be mighty surprised.

24 posted on 07/17/2011 8:14:18 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh, it’s all so depressing. The days of Lord Carnarvon are over.


25 posted on 07/17/2011 8:14:24 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe we can finally find out what’s under the foot of the Sphinx now.


26 posted on 07/17/2011 8:14:24 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: reaganaut

I am so envious of you. I wanted to study Egyptology; I used to sleep one block from Tahir Square in Cairo, near the museum.

I didn’t know anything about Hawass.

Check out anchorstone.com and tell me what you think. Was King Tut the crown prince of the pharoah that died during the Red Sea crossing? Interesting data.


27 posted on 07/17/2011 8:18:22 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: SunkenCiv

28 posted on 07/17/2011 8:23:00 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Divorce him!!!”

What he told one of his interns when her husband complained that she was away from home too long.

Apparently, he is a very difficult person to work for. No one wanted to be on his team.

My wife and I laugh and say “divorce him!” every time we see him on TV.

LOL. A bit of a character. Have to tell my wife.


29 posted on 07/17/2011 8:23:56 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: SunkenCiv

All of a sudden the liberal elitists of Europe and America will howl about the revolution in Egypt. Somehow they will compartmentalize it all and forget how 0bama and Hillary supported it.


30 posted on 07/17/2011 8:27:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Yup. If it isn't Islam, it gets burned to the ground or destroyed. Remember the Buddhist statues? What a tragedy.

Valuable human history will be lost forever because of some nutty screwed up religion. What a bunch of uncivilized apes.

31 posted on 07/17/2011 8:30:41 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: SunkenCiv

This is tragic. Dr. Hawass has been the leading voice speaking for the Paroahs and the treasures they left behind.

Dr. Hawass, if you ever find yourself on this site, thank you for your life’s work.


32 posted on 07/17/2011 8:57:56 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I believe this is old news and I believe Hawass is back.


33 posted on 07/17/2011 9:19:12 PM PDT by decimon
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To: reaganaut

I saw Dr. Hawass when he was in the US during an event at the Smithsonian’s, I was able to shake his hand but did not speak with him long enough to form an opinion (his lecture was very good).

I’ve heard he was a very hard task master, placed somewhat impossible conditions on archaeologists and other researchers. I’ve also heard complaints that he required huge “contributions” in order to work anywhere in Egypt and it was virtually impossible to work at any well known site.

Having met him twice, aside from a troll which does not really tell us much, what did he say/do that made you have such a poor opinion of him? Would you agree that he has been one of the best directors when it came to protecting Egypt’s artifacts and was relentless in getting artifacts back that were taken over the decades? Or, would you fall into the group who believes his work was to enrich his name and bank account more so than a desire to protect his countries history?


34 posted on 07/17/2011 9:54:28 PM PDT by Brytani (Liberals - destroying America since 1776)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Mubarak must go!” Happy now, Hillary and Obama?


35 posted on 07/17/2011 9:57:19 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: Brytani

I’ve also heard complaints that he required huge “contributions” in order to work anywhere in Egypt and it was virtually impossible to work at any well known site.

Having met him twice, aside from a troll which does not really tell us much, what did he say/do that made you have such a poor opinion of him? Would you agree that he has been one of the best directors when it came to protecting Egypt’s artifacts and was relentless in getting artifacts back that were taken over the decades? Or, would you fall into the group who believes his work was to enrich his name and bank account more so than a desire to protect his countries history?

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The complaints about contributions and getting firmans to work at any well known site are true. Very much so.

And he was definitely out for the money and fame rather than the best interest of Archeology, Egyptology or his country.

I am used to dealing with Professors and academics and they tend to be an arrogant lot but he was even moreso. He didn’t want to be here, he hated America but he enjoyed the fawning that particularly the lay (armchair) archeologists gave him. He would shun women (which was actually a pretty high number of the professionals), and gravitate to the men, particularly if he thought he could get money from them, making promises that he would never deliver (access to digs and such). He also was disdainful of any students (I was a grad student at the time and the only grad student who was president of a chapter of AIA).

His desire, IMO, to have antiquities returned to Egypt was more to get his hands on them, and I have heard rumors from reliable sources that many of those items disappeared under his watch (similar to Carter and Canavoron with Tut’s tomb). His lectures were good, but rehearsed and he had difficulty with the one question and answer session I saw. One of my professors used to refer to him “Budge” which is a huge smackdown if you are familiar with the history of Egyptology. There are also a couple of accounts of him making false accusations of black market antiquities dealings in order to get items back to Egypt.

His decision in 2000/2001 to stop all tourist activity at the pyramids was officially to slow degradation of the sites but unofficially he was planning on selling access to the highest bidders (under the table of course - one of my professors was approached by him about this). The sharp decline of tourism after 9/11 led to a change of mind, possibly because of pressure from the Egyptian government.

I have also heard he was very harsh, particularly to non-muslim and non-Egyptian archeologists. His goal, IMO, was to prevent outsiders from working there, but financially that wasn’t feasible.

I only met him here stateside, and I never worked with him, but I can’t think of any professional in the field who liked him.

I am really hoping that the next director will be better.


36 posted on 07/17/2011 10:27:50 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Salvavida

I actually got into it as a fluke. I started taking some courses in Hieroglyphs (to prove Mormonism was true of all things) and then got really interested. When I was doing my MA in Ancient History I focused on Roman Egypt and a professor of mine recommended doing an informal joint program with UCLA and gave me the recommendation. I loved it but UCLA was having problems in the department so several courses were cut and some of the older professors were retiring and not being replaced. In many ways it was frustrating.

Regarding the site, I have seen similar things, but the evidence for their claims just isn’t there. The hardest thing about Egyptology is it is always changing, new finds are so common that I joke by the time you finish reading a book, half of it is out of date. As for Tut, it has been a long standing view that he (or Akhenaten)is the pharaoh of Exodus, mostly because they were monotheists (or as close as Egyptians got), but the biggest problem I have with it, is it really requires a major modification of timelines and dynasties. “Pharaohs and Kings” by Rhol, IIRC covers this in depth.

For me, as a Christian, it doesn’t matter. The purpose of Biblical archeology isn’t to prove the Garden of Eden, the Exodus or Noah’s ark. It is to establish a material culture and what we have discovered matches the Biblical account. Things like the David Stele are just gravy, but to focus on trying to prove dates/locations and artifacts for things in Genesis/Exodus is contrary to purpose of Biblical Archeology and leads to a misreading of sources and artifacts. For example, they are using a chariot as proof of the location crossing, not considering that there could be other possibilities for how it got there (fell off a ship, drought, pulled out because of a wave created by an earthquake) they are reading something into a discovery (a very cool one) that may not be there.

The other thing that bothers me is companies making money off of the faith of others. IMO, Biblical Archeology Review (even though I disagree with some of their analysis) takes a balanced stance for the layman and I still keep a subscription to keep up on current topics, knowing that I can go more in depth if I choose to (KMT magazine for Egyptology).

I hope this answers your question and feel free to freepmail me if you are interested in some more resources.


37 posted on 07/17/2011 10:58:53 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: SunkenCiv

About time, IMHO.


38 posted on 07/17/2011 11:10:29 PM PDT by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: SunkenCiv
With all his shortcomings, not only am I going to miss having him around, but it is a disaster for Egypt's heritage.

By the time the Muslim Brotherhood is finished, it'll be similar, though on a much larger & important scale, to what the Palis did to the greenhouses the Israelis left behind in their last pull out.

Too bad it is way too late to take King Tut into protective custody...not that Obozo would have allowed it.

39 posted on 07/17/2011 11:59:45 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Egyptian criminals, thieves (you know, in every revolution bad people always appear…), have begun to destroy tombs. They damaged the tomb of Hetep-ka at Saqqara, the tomb of Petah-Shepses at Abu Sir and the tomb of a person called Em-pi at Giza.

Kinda bizarre that these socalled criminals, thieves in the ME or Moslem countries, always only destroy pre-Islamic treasures! Why don't they destroy Islamic ones? Why is that?!

40 posted on 07/18/2011 6:06:11 AM PDT by odds
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To: reaganaut

Thank you for the reply. I’d consider myself an armchair archaeologist but one who knows enough to realize I’m ignorant on the subject and there is much that can’t be learned reading Archaeology magazines or watching programs on various digs and new findings.

You’ve confirmed much of what I’ve heard about Hawass. I am friends with a few people in the field as well as others who’ve gone on digs in Egypt and other parts of the Holy Land. Rarely do I hear anything good when it comes to dealing with Hawass or the Egyptian Antiquities Department.

I’ve heard the name Budge but honestly can’t remember if he was the eccentric man who wore ballet costumes (tutu’s) while doing his digging or if he was the curator in England who specialized in ancient text, only to learn later on that many of his translations were worthless.

Archaeology is such a closed field, especially when it comes to biblical archaeology or anything to do with Egypt. It’s hard to judge what is simply the rantings of a disgruntled researcher, a student at the end of their rope over the roadblocks placed in front of them not allowing completion of their work or professionals who are honestly concerned about the direction Hawass was/is taking Egyptian Archaeology.

Two close friends/family of mine are archaeologists, both who had met with Hawass had very strong opinions about him. One who has sadly passed away, Brenda Lazendorf, the only underwater archaeologist in the Florida Keys and our neighbor for many years, and my cousin who specializes in Precolumbian archaeology. She has spent many months in Egypt and Israel on digs with various universities and has told me horror stories about the way Israeli’s and American’s are treated in Egypt. She absolutely loves Israel and Egypt but detests how they are treated when in country. According to her sexism is alive and well in any middle-eastern area aside from Israel and as you mentioned, many women are in the field, yet have a difficult time working with Hawass and most Muslim countries. Not to mention the general hatred that exists for Christians or Jews.

Sadly, Egypt is such a corrupt nation it seems whoever is picked to take over Antiquities will simply follow in that vein. For all of Hawass’s complaints that artifacts were stolen from Egypt, the fact is for centuries curators, archaeologists and government officials were perfectly willing to sell Egypt’s treasures for the right price. Now with the Muslim Brotherhood grabbing a foothold, I personally think the problem will be even worse. Not only is there little care or respect for any pre-Muslim countries, there is little respect for their own countries history prior to Islam taking over.

Thank you for the response. Being as I said an armchair archaeologist, I’m always interested in learning about and hearing about new finds and what is going on in Egypt and elsewhere. I’d love to speak with you more on the subject.


41 posted on 07/18/2011 4:50:39 PM PDT by Brytani (Liberals - destroying America since 1776)
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To: Brytani

Budge was the was the curator in England who specialized in ancient text, only to learn later on that many of his translations were worthless.

“Tutu” man was Flinders Petrie.

You are welcome. Feel free to freepmail me anytime. I have distanced myself from the field the last few years, but still have a deep interest in it.


42 posted on 07/18/2011 5:11:03 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: arderkrag; ClearCase_guy; Straight Vermonter; Born to Conserve; ken21; vetvetdoug; ladyvet; ...
How awful. Hawass is a good man who loves his country and its history.
Thanks arderkrag. He really drives me nuts, and his negatives outweigh any of his positives (and purported positives), but the situation in Egypt will go from bad to worse. At least all my idiot lib relatives won't continue to claim that GWB singlehandedly smashed the entire museum in Baghdad, then laughed as he pissed on the ashes.
Fanatical Muslims hate non-Islamic religions. In Afghanistan, many people first heard of the Taliban when they dynamited the giant Buddha statues early in 2001...
Thanks ClearCase_guy. And there aren't any real Muzzies who aren't fanatical, so, the Egyptian antiquities will probably wind up in private collections throughout the world.
The Islamists will destroy 4000 years of history in a generation.
Thanks Straight Vermonter. Zahi's big thing was to create a Disneyland of antiquities, and to that end ordered a lot of "repair" using concrete. This is going to be a disaster. The Chicago House has been drawing exact copies of all the inscriptions and reliefs and other art for nearly 100 years, in an effort to preserve what still exists today so that they can still be studied after the originals are long gone. And the Aswan High Dam has pushed up the water table, dissolving subsoil salts, and the inscriptions (already damaged by the ravages of time) have been flaking right off the major lowlying monuments for forty years. And that's gov't work. :')
Hawass was as crooked as the rest of them. If you (a university) wanted to conduct a dig, you had better spend half your budget on taking him out for a good time, or you are screwed. He was a backward man in a backward culture in a backward country. When I think of all the things that were returned to egypt, uh! They'll all be destroyed by the muzzies now.
Thanks Born to Conserve. He makes some accusations against his major detractors, but the real reason he's quitting may be to avoid serving a jail term for some eminent-domain style stuff he did, moving hundreds of squatters out of some ancient sites in order to study and conserve the sites.
sad.
Thanks ken21.
These are the dreams of our leader for the US. Destroy our heritage and history and form a new socialistic era.
Thanks vetvetdoug.
Seems like just yesterday Hawass was screaming at the western world to return Egyptian antiques to Egypt. Thank goodness not all listened and in the future to see the real deal may only be outside of Egypt.
Thanks ladyvet, yeah, good luck with that now. He'll be grateful that pieces like the bust of Nefertiti and the Rosetta Stone (which the British stole from the French, who stole it in Egypt) are safely locked up in European museums.
Although I do not have the knowledge you indicated my impression was that he was a bureaucrat appointed because of connections and not ability. It was as if he had to appear in every documentary and he would behave as if he were the discoverer or resident expert. My personal opinion is that you would not acquire access to anything without his permission, based on whatever and his personal aggrandizement. I guess he may be a "bloviator".
That's the best summary of the situation I've ever seen, thanks Tuketu
I always heard the Nazis shot the nose off that critter.
I think it was originally blamed on the Turks; my wild guess is, it fell off in antiquity, or possibly early medieval times. Thanks West Texas Chuck
Don't really care about Dr Hawass, but it's sad to read about the looting. I hope someone steps in to protect these sites.
Thanks nuconvert, and well put.
Dr. Hawass was one of my favorite guys on the History Channel UNTIL I heard him praising Hamas and the PLO and excoriating Israel... I have always loved the art of Ancient Egypt and am deeply distressed by its destruction at the hands of these fanatics. But Dr. Hawass is being a wee bit hypocritical.
Thanks left that other site. Yeah, there are some topics about Zowie's misconduct regarding the "restoration" of an old synagogue or two -- no Egyptian Jews left -- about which he stated there would be no Jews allowed until the "crimes" (which are entirely imaginary) against the Muzzie eyesore on Mt Zion stopped.
Looks like he is a casualty of the "revolution", as is the tourist industry.
Thanks Rome2000. Whatever Hawass may have been or done, whatever follows is going to be much, much worse.
Oh, it's all so depressing. The days of Lord Carnarvon are over.
Of late, Zowie has been backing off his bipolar ragging on Howard Carter and Lord C. I got the BluRay called "Egypt" which is all History Channel shows starring Hawass, but having an English-speaking host and narrators. The captions and menus have some ESL-type mistakes, and Zowie was obviously unscripted, because his intros frequently wander off into incoherence as he seeks over-the-top hyperbolies. Thanks Beowulf9.
Maybe we can finally find out what's under the foot of the Sphinx now.
Thanks AlmaKing. Yeah, I'd like to see that. John Anthony West may have something to say about Hawass' fall -- a couple of years ago he thought that he and Robert Schoch was going to be able to get some tests done that they'd wanted in order to find out how old the Sphinx is and whatnot. They also want to drill down into the cavity to see what's down there. The Dream Stele (which is New Kingdom in date, and still stands between the paws) notes that the Sphinx guards a door.

Thanks JoeProBono.
My wife and I laugh and say "divorce him!" every time we see him on TV.
Thanks dhs12345. Hey, if you say it three times...
All of a sudden the liberal elitists of Europe and America will howl about the revolution in Egypt. Somehow they will compartmentalize it all and forget how 0bama and Hillary supported it.
In a few years Chrissy Matthews will be recounting how all the damage to the Egyptian antiquities happened during the Bush administration. Luckily he'll be telling it to those around him who have already passed out, as he drinks 5 O'Clock out of an old Palmolive bottle. Thanks TigersEye.
Dr. Hawass, if you ever find yourself on this site, thank you for your life's work.
Thanks DustyMoment.
I believe this is old news and I believe Hawass is back.
If so I've spent a lot of time on a topic that's obsolete... but thanks decimon.
I've also heard complaints that he required huge "contributions" in order to work anywhere in Egypt and it was virtually impossible to work at any well known site.
Thanks Brytani. Anyone making any kind of discovery without letting him announce it would (at minimum) get kicked off the site and often right on out of Egypt. That happened to Gantenbrink, and to the French team which (with permission) drilled a peekhole in the Great Pyramid and verified a (sand-filled as it turned out) corridor discerned using microgravimetrics. They may have found a burial chamber, if not though, what is it?
There are also a couple of accounts of him making false accusations of black market antiquities dealings in order to get items back to Egypt.
I kinda assumed that the false accusations against Nick Reeves were made in order to get him out of the way. Zahi made disparaging remarks (without naming Reeves) about the non-invasive survey Reeves used to discover the site of KV-63 and the eventual KV-64 -- and yet the KV-64 site was exactly where Hawass was having his crews dig. 'Nothing is discovered until I find it.' Thanks reaganaut.
About time, IMHO.
Thanks Dryman. It's going to get worse before it gets better. Hawass' projects have resembled the return of the pharaohs to some people, but then, in a patronage-style society, people don't want to work, they just want to be on the payroll.
...it'll be similar, though on a much larger & important scale, to what the Palis did to the greenhouses the Israelis left behind in their last pull out.
We're lucky that anything remains from ancient Egypt (or ancient anywhere); in the Middle Kingdom there were already appropriations from Old Kingdom monuments, and it got worse in the New Kingdom, particularly under Ramses II "the Great". That gold scarab with Nefertiti's cartouche on it that was found on the ancient wreck (Ulu Burun) didn't get there because Bush was president back then. ;') But anyway, yeah, it's going to be bad. Thanks ApplegateRanch.
Kinda bizarre that these socalled criminals, thieves in the ME or Moslem countries, always only destroy pre-Islamic treasures! Why don't they destroy Islamic ones? Why is that?!
' The Saudis destroyed the actual house of Mohammed a few years back; no one had lived there, or even been allowed inside it, for centuries. Some Wahhab wacko concluded that it was some form of idolatry (unlike the Zamzam spring or the Kaaba, or the black stone in the kaaba, eh?) and it was ordered demolished. Thanks odds.


43 posted on 07/18/2011 5:31:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sheesh! If the Wikipedia entry is right then I missed by just thaaat much:

“On March 3, 2011 he resigned after posting a list on his personal website of dozens of sites across Egypt that were looted in the 2011 protests.[19][20] On March 30, 2011 he posted a tweet stating that he was once again the Minister of Antiquities (”I am very happy to be the Minister of Antiquities once again!”).[21] He was reappointed by Prime Minister Essam Sharaf at that time,[22] but resigned on July 17, 2011, after Sharaf informed him he would not be continuing in the position.[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahi_Hawass


44 posted on 07/18/2011 5:48:26 PM PDT by decimon
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45 posted on 07/18/2011 5:55:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: decimon

Mummy must have told you there’d be days like this.


46 posted on 07/18/2011 6:27:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Mummy must have told you there’d be days like this.

And that's a wrap.

47 posted on 07/18/2011 10:01:05 PM PDT by decimon
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To: TigersEye

All of a sudden the liberal elitists of Europe and America will howl about the revolution in Egypt. Somehow they will compartmentalize it all and forget how 0bama and Hillary supported it.

how 0bama and Hillary planned, began and supported it.


48 posted on 07/19/2011 5:47:01 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: odds

always only destroy pre-Islamic treasures! Why don’t they destroy Islamic ones? Why is that?!

For the same reason that archeology is illegal in Saudi... Any such Islamic site dating after Mohammed is “holy”; any site dated to the time of Mohammed (or before) has the possibility of contradicting Mohammed, and thus is anathema and must be destroyed.

Any site not related to Islam is also anathema and must be destroyed.


49 posted on 07/19/2011 5:58:02 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF; SunkenCiv
Any such Islamic site dating after Mohammed is "holy”; any site dated to the time of Mohammed (or before) has the possibility of contradicting Mohammed, and thus is anathema and must be destroyed.

Yes, I think, you are correct for strictly non-Islamic or non-Moslem related historical sites. As well as those related to Mohammad, himself, before he became a believer in Allah & Islam himself.

Additionally, any site dating to (or before) Mohammad has the possibility of leading to 'worshiping' Mohammad, himself, or others, which would be considered Polytheism.

In Islam, Mohammad is only viewed as The final prophet, or more accurately The final Messenger ("rasul allah" literally meaning "messenger of allah" in Arabic). But Mohammad, himself, as important as he was in spreading Islam, is/was considered a mere mortal man nonetheless, who can't be worshiped.

SC -- In relation to your comment in post #43, both Spring of Zamzam & the Kaaba are considered much holier than Mohammad, because they date back to the time of Abraham & Ishmael, for moslems, therefore directly represent Allah.

Remember, Moslems view Islam as an Abrahamic religion. The difference there between Jews & Moslems is that of Abraham's son Isaac vs Isaac's half brother Ishmael (both sharing the same father being Abraham). Don't want to start a debate regarding that. Only to state what Moslems believe; whether it is true or not is something for Moslems & Jews to sort out. Since I am neither Jewish nor Moslem.

Also, my understanding is that many moslems actually perform mandatory ablutions before prayers with the water from Zamzam Spring. The water is also believed to have medicinal qualities, so many pilgrims take liters of Zamzam water back home with them to drink from time to time, especially when ill.

50 posted on 07/20/2011 9:55:17 AM PDT by odds
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