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Half of European men share King Tut's DNA
Reuters ^ | Mon Aug 1, 2011 | Alice Baghdjian

Posted on 08/01/2011 10:50:56 PM PDT by annie laurie

Up to 70 percent of British men and half of all Western European men are related to the Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun, geneticists in Switzerland said.

Scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy centre, iGENEA, reconstructed the DNA profile of the boy Pharaoh, who ascended the throne at the age of nine, his father Akhenaten and grandfather Amenhotep III, based on a film that was made for the Discovery Channel.

The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known as haplogroup R1b1a2, to which more than 50 percent of all men in Western Europe belong, indicating that they share a common ancestor.

Among modern-day Egyptians this haplogroup contingent is below 1 percent, according to iGENEA.

Around 70 percent of Spanish and 60 percent of French men also belong to the genetic group of the Pharaoh who ruled Egypt more than 3,000 years ago.

(Excerpt) Read more at af.reuters.com ...


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Sorry for excerpting, but although Reuters isn't on the excerpt-only list, I seem to remember some brouhaha involving them (re: copyright issues), so I decided better safe than sorry.
1 posted on 08/01/2011 10:51:03 PM PDT by annie laurie
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping.


2 posted on 08/01/2011 10:51:43 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: annie laurie

That 9 year old child has been bizzzyyyy.


3 posted on 08/01/2011 10:58:19 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30
That 9 year old child has been bizzzyyyy.

He was 18 when he died.

4 posted on 08/01/2011 11:35:08 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: annie laurie

So much for being born in Arizona!


5 posted on 08/01/2011 11:36:43 PM PDT by getarope (I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I am all out of bubble gum!)
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To: getarope

He’s my favorite honky.


6 posted on 08/01/2011 11:37:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Salamander

Pssssst!

Kinda shoots that “Negro-centric-Egyptian” theory all to hell in a handbasket, eh?

(Still waiting for those jet planes buried under the sand.....)


7 posted on 08/01/2011 11:38:47 PM PDT by shibumi (The ragged they come and The ragged they kill! Down in the cool air I can see.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

He would still have to be bizzy at 9 to impregnate enough womman so half of Europe are descended from him.


8 posted on 08/01/2011 11:39:05 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: getarope

But he moved to Babylonia!


9 posted on 08/01/2011 11:40:24 PM PDT by shibumi (The ragged they come and The ragged they kill! Down in the cool air I can see.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

He gave his life for tourism.


10 posted on 08/01/2011 11:41:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jonty30

The article didn’t say that 50 per cent of European men were descended from King Tut. It said that they share a common ancestor with King Tut.


11 posted on 08/01/2011 11:44:38 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: dfwgator

Burried in his Jammies.


12 posted on 08/01/2011 11:46:08 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: annie laurie

It looks like his relatives headed for greener pastures. I wonder if the wild animals that live there now came from somewhere else.


13 posted on 08/01/2011 11:48:31 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: annie laurie

Amazingly enough about 70% of the time you can tell a person is British just by seeing their teeth.

Coincidence?


14 posted on 08/01/2011 11:48:50 PM PDT by YankeeinOkieville (Obamanation [oh-bom-uh-nay-shuhn] n. -- ignorance and arrogance in the highest offices)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Sigh...


15 posted on 08/02/2011 12:06:15 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: annie laurie
Found this short page on a quick search. He basically asks the same question I pondered about.

King Tut got around or proof of the Scota myth?

16 posted on 08/02/2011 12:08:49 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Paleo Conservative

“Scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy centre, iGENEA, reconstructed the DNA profile of the boy Pharaoh, who ascended the throne at the age of nine, his father Akhenaten and grandfather Amenhotep III, based on a film that was made for the Discovery Channel.”

You can get DNA from a PICTURE?


17 posted on 08/02/2011 12:17:42 AM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: annie laurie

Doo Yoo meen that therz a 50-50 chans that I’m deesendid from sumwun Hoo marreed his own sister?


18 posted on 08/02/2011 12:34:28 AM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: annie laurie

The other half are related to Bill Clinton.


19 posted on 08/02/2011 12:52:12 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: shibumi
But he moved to Babylonia!

That's cause he was a Jerk.


20 posted on 08/02/2011 1:38:53 AM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: shibumi

So, the Queen of England is black?!

Wonder how the folks at Windsor Castle are handling this news.


21 posted on 08/02/2011 1:44:06 AM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: annie laurie; martin_fierro; decimon; Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks annie laurie.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


22 posted on 08/02/2011 3:12:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: annie laurie

Steve Martin on SNL:
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/king-tut/976141/

or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5dZxA-rZY

“”King Tut (King Tut)
Now when he was a young man,
He never thought he’d see
People stand in line to see the boy king.

(King Tut) How’d you get so funky?
(funky Tut) Did you do the monkey?
Born in Arizona,
Moved to Babylonia (king Tut).

(king Tut) Now, if I’d known
they’d line up just to see him,
I’d trade in all my money
And bought me a museum. (king Tut)

Buried with a donkey (funky Tut)
He’s my favorite honkey!
Born in Arizona,
Moved to Babylonia (king Tut)

Dancin’ by the Nile, (Disco Tut)
The ladies love his style, (boss Tut)
Rockin’ for a mile (rockin’ Tut)
He ate a crocodile.

He gave his life for tourism.
Golden idol!
He’s an Egyptian
They’re sellin’ you.

Now, when I die,
now don’t think I’m a nut,
don’t want no fancy funeral,
Just one like ole king Tut. (king Tut)

He coulda won a Grammy,
Buried in his Jammies,
Born in Arizona, moved to Babylonia,
He was born in Arizona, got a condo made of stone-a,
King Tut!””


23 posted on 08/02/2011 3:24:17 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: YankeeinOkieville
Amazingly enough about 70% of the time you can tell a person is British just by seeing their teeth.

Blind people don't seem to have a problem making that identification either.

24 posted on 08/02/2011 3:26:47 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: SunkenCiv
If more than 50% of European men, but less than 1% of modern-day Egyptians, share the same ancestry ("genetic profile") as the ancient Egyptian pharaohs, then all those priceless "Egyptian antiquities" are in fact more the heritage and inheritance of Europeans than of today's Egyptians.

Does this mean we can expect the UN Commission for Antiquities to assert that Egypt should return all those treasures to Europeans - as they had (apparently) mistakenly asserted that Europe and America should return them to "Egyptians?"

25 posted on 08/02/2011 3:29:16 AM PDT by drpix
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To: annie laurie
This is strange. I am R1b1a2, and this is considered a general Celt haplogroup. R1 split about 18,500 years ago, so that would be the earliest commont ancestor.

I also understand that this haplogroup is rare in Egypt, which kind of tells me that the Pharoahs didn't generally genetically mingle with the commoners, and secondly they may have been outsiders when the ascended to power.

Interesting

26 posted on 08/02/2011 4:10:00 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: getarope
"So much for being born in Arizona!"

DING, DING! - we have a winner - the 1st Steve Martin reference appeared in post No. 5 by getarope.......
Carol, show our contestant what they've won.........

27 posted on 08/02/2011 4:16:10 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: annie laurie

Masons?


28 posted on 08/02/2011 4:20:37 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Jonty30
He would still have to be bizzy at 9 to impregnate enough womman so half of Europe are descended from him.

"Share DNA" does not equal "prodigy of". In any event, he could have had one child and that line could have then been prolific.

Mathmatically, genetic mixing occurs faster and more broadly that you might imagine possible.

29 posted on 08/02/2011 4:33:50 AM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
The notion that ancient Egyptians were black, is based on the bazaar notion that continents are racially homogeneous, which Eurasia certainly disproves. And that notion itself is a rather recent invention of African-American studies.

Adding to the confusion is the assumption that the modern peoples of a region are predominantly the descendants of the ancient peoples of the area. This is quite often completely wrong, such is the case in Greece and North Africa.

30 posted on 08/02/2011 4:43:38 AM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: catfish1957
I also understand that this haplogroup is rare in Egypt, which kind of tells me that the Pharoahs didn't generally genetically mingle with the commoners, and secondly they may have been outsiders when the ascended to power.

Wrong assumption. Modern Egyptians are immigrants to the region, who displaced and/or outnumbered the ancient Egyptians. The same thing is the case in Greece - and for the matter the United States.

31 posted on 08/02/2011 4:46:42 AM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: SampleMan

Do you mean “progeny” of?


32 posted on 08/02/2011 5:01:32 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: annie laurie
They didn't call him the "TUT-Meister" for nothin'!

You go, Tut!

33 posted on 08/02/2011 5:03:11 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Jonty30

No, his father, grandfather and great grandfather must have been awesome warriors. King Tut, just happens to be the famous son...

Rape, pillage and plunder was the order of the day.


34 posted on 08/02/2011 5:16:50 AM PDT by EBH ( God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: annie laurie

Isn’t there some biblical verse, or tradition about Egypt never being ruled by an Egyptian following the Exodus?


35 posted on 08/02/2011 5:20:58 AM PDT by fso301
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To: EBH

Oh I’m sure a little Tut got a little action.

I know about the spread of DNA. Something like 10 percent of all Irish men are direct descendents of Naills.
And a high percentage of Ukranians have DNA from Attila the Hun.


36 posted on 08/02/2011 5:21:05 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: SampleMan

History (including science, theology, sociology, medicine, archeology, etc.) is written by the winners.

The liberals, socialists, marxists, fascists, communists, and ethno-centrics are winning the war at present, and continually rewrite history to conform with their opinions, wants, desires, and world view rather than scientific fact.

Regarding your comment, I agree with you. My work has taken me to the Northern African nations of Libya, Algeria and Egypt. From what I have observed Northern Africa is not homogenous with respect to it being “Black”.


37 posted on 08/02/2011 6:04:19 AM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: dfwgator
His Stepmother, apparently - and not his mother.
38 posted on 08/02/2011 6:24:47 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
Mathmatically, genetic mixing occurs faster and more broadly that you might imagine possible.

To elaborate on the math (which I'm sure you know but weren't pedantic enough to post), in the 3340 years since Tut got wrapped up for his museum career, with one generation per 20 years, you would expect 167 generations. Assuming two survivors from each generation, and no intermarriage, that gives 2^167 offspring or far more than the 2^33 people in the world. Intermarriage of descendents cuts that number, obviously, but it's no surprise that someone who lived so long ago would have either a huge number of relatives today or none at all. I'd guess even Steve Martin is on the list.

39 posted on 08/02/2011 6:33:54 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SampleMan
Modern Egyptians are immigrants to the region, who displaced and/or outnumbered the ancient Egyptians. The same thing is the case in Greece - and for the matter the United States.

It's not inevitable, yet, but the same thing could happen in Europe and perhaps North America again within the next five generations.

40 posted on 08/02/2011 6:36:31 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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41 posted on 08/02/2011 8:14:58 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Wow...I now know that I’m related to Niall of the Nine Hostages as well as King Tut. I’ll sleep well tonight...


42 posted on 08/02/2011 8:56:35 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Yehuda; Clemenza; rmlew
You can get DNA from a PICTURE?

You could inherit the DNA from any of the carriers who were alive at that time not just King Tut. The reason King Tut is highlighted is that most of the mummies from the Egyptian royal families got destroyed over the years due to looting of their graves, so their DNA isn't available to test. The gene in question are located on the Y-chromosome, so the other males in the royal family shared it too.

This is analogous to the testing on the male descendants of Sally Hemmings. The hype was that it proved that Thomas Jefferson fathered children with Sally Hemmings. All that was proved was that any one of several male relatives of Thomas Jefferson could also have fathered those children.

43 posted on 08/02/2011 9:03:59 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative; camle; Alkhin; Professional Engineer; katana; Mr. Silverback; MadIvan; ...
Yehuda ~ You can get DNA from a PICTURE?

LISTER: What about the photograph?

He pulls it out and examines it again.

LISTER: I'm not the groom. (pointing to another figure in the picture) He is the groom!
CAT: Hey -- she's not as stupid as we thought!
LISTER: Why do women always leave me for total smegheads? Why do they dump me for men who wear turtleneck sweaters and smoke a pipe? I mean, natural yoghurt eaters! Reliable, sensible, dependable, and lots of other words that end in "-ible." He's obsessed with house-prices, and spends half his life in antique fairs looking for bargains and drinking wine. It's never beer, is it, it's always wine! "What do you want on your cornflakes, darling?" "Oh, I'll have some wine, please!" Smeg!

He leans against a wall, bitter and angry. CAT taps him on one shoulder.

CAT: You can tell all that, just from a photograph?

44 posted on 08/02/2011 9:31:22 AM PDT by null and void (Day 922. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: drpix
If more than 50% of European men, but less than 1% of modern-day Egyptians, share the same ancestry ("genetic profile") as the ancient Egyptian pharaohs, then all those priceless "Egyptian antiquities" are in fact more the heritage and inheritance of Europeans than of today's Egyptians.

Egyptians with ability and intelligence living under the Pharaohs would have had a strong incentive to emigrate. Many did, to Greece and elsewhere in the Mediterranean region, taking Egyptian civilization and technology with them.

Egyptians settled in Greece. Later on Greeks established colonies in Italy and probably helped with the rise of Roman civilization.

45 posted on 08/02/2011 9:35:32 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: null and void

LOL~! I just saw that eposide yesterday on netflix!


46 posted on 08/02/2011 9:38:07 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Pollster1

Also, relatives of Tut from the Egyptian royal class would have fathered more than their share of kids from all the concubines and such.


47 posted on 08/02/2011 9:39:35 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: camle

Good times.

Rule 34: If it exists there is a Red Dwarf of it.


48 posted on 08/02/2011 9:41:28 AM PDT by null and void (Day 922. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: Paleo Conservative

“The gene in question are located on the Y-chromosome, so the other males in the royal family shared it too.”

How SEXIST!

:-)


49 posted on 08/02/2011 9:49:30 AM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: null and void

run by a Queeg 5000?


50 posted on 08/02/2011 9:58:29 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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