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(History changed by act of mercy?) How a four-year-old Adolf Hitler was saved from certain death ...
Daily Mail Online ^ | 6th January 2012 | Allan Hall

Posted on 01/05/2012 7:09:05 PM PST by DogByte6RER

Revealed: The priest who changed the course of history ... by rescuing a drowning four-year-old Hitler from death in an icy river

* Future Fuhrer was plucked from certain death by boy who grew up to join the church

* German newspaper from 1894 reveals incident

It may be the most devastating act of mercy in history. A newspaper report chronicling how a boy of four was saved from drowning has surfaced in a German archive. The child – who historians believe could have been Adolf Hitler – was plucked from the icy waters of the River Inn in Passau, Germany, in January 1894.

According to Max Tremmel, a priest who went on to become one of Europe's most famous organists, his predecessor Johann Kuehberger had rescued the terrified Hitler. Father Tremmel told before his death in 1980 how Father Kuehberger, around the same age as Hitler, had seen the other boy struggling in the waters of the River Inn and dived in to rescue him.

The story was never verified by Hitler during his lifetime. But now a small cutting from the Donauzeitung - Danube newspaper - of 1894 has been found in Passau.

It describes how a 'young fellow' fell through the thin ice of the river in January of that year. The report described how a 'determined comrade' - the paper at the time was left-wing - went into the freezing water to save the child who would grow into mankind's biggest monster.

The near-drowning episode also featured in a German book called 'Out of Passau- Leaving a City Hitler Called Home,' by Anna Elisabeth Rosmus, a personal history of her family's connections with it.

She wrote; 'The banks of the River Inn provided an idyllic setting for the children to play.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: adolfhitler; death; demonic; demons; europe; evil; fate; freewill; germany; godsgravesglyphs; hitler; irony; spiritualwarfare; stolypin; stringtheory
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Rescued: Johann Kuehberger, left, saved the life of a four-year-old Adolf Hitler, pictured right in an undated photo, when they were both children

1 posted on 01/05/2012 7:09:16 PM PST by DogByte6RER
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If I could re-write history, I would make it so that Lenin, Stalin and Mao were on the river bank and all three dived into the river to save Hitler. All four then drowned in the icy waters. End of story.


2 posted on 01/05/2012 7:11:49 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
Here's another story about how in WWI a British soldier spared Hitler's life....Later, after Hitler came to power, he sent his thanks to the Brit. Could you imagine how the Brit must have felt?

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/tandey.htm

3 posted on 01/05/2012 7:14:01 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DogByte6RER

Great. Time travellers. Again.


4 posted on 01/05/2012 7:14:14 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: DogByte6RER

You forgot about Marx. Does he jump in to save Hitler too?


5 posted on 01/05/2012 7:20:29 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DogByte6RER

It’s believed that God gives people free will. Kuehberger and Hitler. What an irony. Saving a life seems one of the better things one can do. It would have been a tremendously good simple act if the people of Europe had saved one person each from the evil enterprise that Hitler created and oversaw.


6 posted on 01/05/2012 7:22:31 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Never knew about the Tandey story. Very interesting. Thanks.


7 posted on 01/05/2012 7:23:37 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
All four then drowned in the icy waters. End of story.

Hardly the end of the story. There would be any number of people who would percolate to the top.

8 posted on 01/05/2012 7:24:14 PM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: krb

No way; Hitler was unique in that he was able to unite and galvanize the party into becoming what it did. That is what makes him stand out so obviously.


9 posted on 01/05/2012 7:27:46 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

I cannot imagine how that poor soldier must have felt, what with who Hitler became.


10 posted on 01/05/2012 7:28:51 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: DogByte6RER

So many “What if’s” that one can ponder....


11 posted on 01/05/2012 7:29:51 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

I think the priest had no idea on how Hitler would turn out.

As for free will, I think God knows that each person will commit certain sins, or have the chance to, but He doesn’t know how it will happen. It would explain free will while at the same time with God’s knowledge of the future intact.


12 posted on 01/05/2012 7:31:40 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: DogByte6RER

What if it was a Jew that saved the young Hitler?


13 posted on 01/05/2012 7:33:15 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

No one knew what Hitler would do, much less Hitler himself at that point in his life. I think Hitler could have been an immense force for tremendous good if he hadn’t chosen to do things differently.


14 posted on 01/05/2012 7:33:15 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: DogByte6RER

What if it was a Jew that saved the young Hitler?


15 posted on 01/05/2012 7:33:19 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: DogByte6RER

MEMO TO SELF: Don’t ever rescue a four year old potential future Fuhrer!


16 posted on 01/05/2012 7:33:43 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: dfwgator

I remember reading that a Jewish doctor once saved his mother’s life; that doctor was one of few spared deportation to the camps and ghettos.


17 posted on 01/05/2012 7:34:33 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru
He definitely felt awful. An excerpt from the article states that:

Tandey was haunted the remainder of his life by his good deed, the simple squeeze of a trigger would have spared the world a catastrophe which cost tens of millions of lives. He was living in Coventry when the Luftwaffe destroyed the city in 1940, sheltered in a doorway as the building he was in crumbled and city burned like a scene from Dante's Inferno.

He was also in London during the Blitz and experienced that atrocity first hand, he told a journalist in 1940, "if only I had known what he would turn out to be. When I saw all the people, woman and children he had killed and wounded I was sorry to God I let him go".

When war erupted the 49 year old tried to rejoin his regiment to see to it that, "he didn't escape a second time", but failed the physical due to wounds received at the Battle of the Somme.

18 posted on 01/05/2012 7:35:40 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: BenKenobi

You’re always griping about Adolf Hitler. Just be happy we took action to spare you Klaus Gruenewald.


19 posted on 01/05/2012 7:35:40 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: Niuhuru

Always wondered about that- like when Jesus cast the legion of demons out of the man into the herd of pigs which then ran over a cliff- the pigs died, but the demons didn’t.

Evil spirits will find an alternate to inhabit...


20 posted on 01/05/2012 7:39:50 PM PST by One Name
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To: BenKenobi
Great. Time travellers. Again.

And at the critical juncture, another universe would materialize and them folks would be enjoying the fruits of our labor, in fact - they're doing it right now, as we speak, I tinkkkkk.

21 posted on 01/05/2012 7:39:59 PM PST by Studebaker Hawk (These geeks are a dime-a-dozen. I'm looking for the man with the dimes. Freddy Blassy)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Im’ sure God understood and this is why the battlefield is not supposed to be about mercy. God knew that Tandey didn’t know what Hitler was to become and it’s not like we are supposed to know about these things.


22 posted on 01/05/2012 7:41:22 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: One Name

Yes, but evil spirits can only inhabit an empty vessel. Hitler was an abused kid and I think he was bankrupted through that abuse. ALl I am certain of is that the demons who inhabited Hitler were certainly, definately, unusually malignant. Hitler had great potential and that is certainly why the demons were particularly interested in entering him and taking over.


23 posted on 01/05/2012 7:44:09 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: DogByte6RER; a fool in paradise

If I could of I would of saved Elvis’ life! Or better yet, Buddy Holly’s.


24 posted on 01/05/2012 7:44:21 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: DogByte6RER

Wonder how many other evil persons never came to adult fruition due to early death?

And how many extraordinary people have been aborted?


25 posted on 01/05/2012 7:48:53 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: One Name
Evil spirits will find an alternate to inhabit...

I thinks so too. Have seen it. It reminded me, I'm not sure why, of what I read some philosopher said (quoting from memory): "I can understand why some people do not believe in God. What I cannot understand is how people don't believe in the existence of the Devil."

26 posted on 01/05/2012 7:52:31 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: DogByte6RER

A four-year-old jumped into an icy river to save another four-year-old? Sorry, I’m not buying this. Perhaps the translation is garbled. But if Kuehberger was the same age as Hitler and Hitler was four years old, it means his rescuer was four years old.


27 posted on 01/05/2012 8:00:10 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: BenKenobi

Hey you left Anakin alive!


28 posted on 01/05/2012 8:06:55 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Niuhuru

I’m certain that the boy, Schwartz György, died decades ago, and the aged man known as George Soros is actually a demon.

Sure would like to know the real name of THAT demon - as he has been a smooth operator all these decades.


29 posted on 01/05/2012 8:08:34 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Niuhuru; Revolting cat!

Agree with you both. Demons will hitch a ride with the best they can get- they have a hierarchy, too. A big dog demon won’t waste his time inhabiting a simpleton when he can ride someone who is “going somewhere” IMHO. Simpler, lesser spirits or fallen angels might be satisfied to inhabit my neighbor’s dog or a crackhead. (Not to disparage the worth of the crack addict as a soul to God, but as a vehicle for the devils to do damage).


30 posted on 01/05/2012 8:10:00 PM PST by One Name
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To: DogByte6RER

I seriously doubt this story. At least that Kühberger as it seems to be spelled in German saved Hitler.

Kühberger was born according to wikipedia on 11 October 1889. Hitler was born according to wikipedia on 20 April 1889.

So in January 1894 Hitler would have been about 4 years and 8 months old, while Kühberger would have been about 4 years and 3 months old.

Now I know everyone including President Obama says we are softer now than in the past, but I do not believe that 4 years and 3 months is an age where someone was jumping in an icy river to save someone even in 1894. And there were probably not nearly as many backyard pools in Austria in those days compared to now or say the US south today, so it is even less likely that a 4 years and 3 month old was able to swim, not to mention some how saving and lifting another 4 year old out of the icy water.

So maybe someone saved Hitler that day. Maybe Kühberger had some role. But this story as reported is not credible to me.

The British WWI soldier story is more credible. It was interesting and new to me.


31 posted on 01/05/2012 8:15:05 PM PST by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
You forgot about Marx. Does he jump in to save Hitler too?

Marx was long gone by 1894. However, what if a Georgian teenager named Joseph Dzhugashvili had happened along and jumped in to try to save Hitler only to be swept away?

32 posted on 01/05/2012 8:19:11 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: DogByte6RER

There’s the funny ‘Drive Recklessly’ video (1:08).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S75Rfva9O8


33 posted on 01/05/2012 8:19:33 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Hitler didn’t create the German Workers Party - predecessor to the Nazi Party. He just rose to power within it. The seeds for the Reich were sown by Dietrich Eckart & Anton Drexler. The foundation of the Nazi ideology; antisemitic, nationalist, anti-capitalist were very popular traits common in Europe shared by many leaders.

If Hitler had never lived it most likely would have changed absolutely nothing.


34 posted on 01/05/2012 8:20:07 PM PST by RC51
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

That’s a great story...do you suppose it explains the inexplicable at Dunkirk? Where Hitler could have eliminated Britian right there-but held off so evacuation could be completed.


35 posted on 01/05/2012 8:23:16 PM PST by mo
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To: DogByte6RER
One of my favorite "what if" scenarios is, what if Richard Nixon had shaved before entering the TV studio on September 26, 1960? The history of the 1960's and beyond could have been vastly different.
36 posted on 01/05/2012 8:24:46 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: One Name; Niuhuru

These are interesting questions from several aspects. Is history, or some parts of it, inevitable?

What would have happened it it had been Trotsky, not Stalin, Beria, not Khrushchev, Guevara, not Castro, and so on?

Would the USSR still stand if it had been Carter in 1980?


37 posted on 01/05/2012 8:26:25 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

“What If Superman grew up in Germany, instead of America?”

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78jwhatif.phtml


38 posted on 01/05/2012 8:26:50 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Don’t ask what if my grandmother had a moustache, because as I vaguely recall, she did have one!


39 posted on 01/05/2012 8:29:57 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: One Name

If only he hadn’t been abused. That is all I have to say. I think Hitler was destined for greatness and during his sojourn in Austria, the ‘missing years,’ he probably faced a tremendous amount of spiritual warfare and he lost out to the demon he let enter him. All the greatest names of the world have faced serious spiritual warfare and starting with Christ, all those ‘destined’ for greatness have had year in which they wandered and were ‘off the grid.’


40 posted on 01/05/2012 8:41:44 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: SatinDoll

Soros can still think for himself and he still has free will. He let that demon in and I agree that at some point he gave “Schwartz” up and became Soros and the rest is history. We are all born with innate talents given by God, but sometimes God gives a huge amount to people and He wants them to do good, but unfortunately the Devil knows about them as well and tries to corrupt them.


41 posted on 01/05/2012 8:45:54 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Tough stuff to wrap our (my) simple minds around.

To start with, I believe that God (I AM THAT I AM) exists seated across all time seeing it simultaneously; you and I see it revealed bit by bit on a continuum. He sees what we will do, even before we have exercised our free will. That HE knows (foreknowledge) and sees results (foreordination, prophecy, etc.) does not take from us our free will in the moment.

That said, had Pharoah tripped and broke his neck, the Israelites would still have gone into bondage, IMHO. Things that have to happen on this planet to fulfill God’s word will happen, one way or another.

Like I said- hard to wrap one’s mind around...

God Bless!


42 posted on 01/05/2012 8:49:08 PM PST by One Name
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To: Revolting cat!

I think that there are a dozen different things that end up being where we end up. For example, if Nicholas II of Russia had been smart and granted a Duma and constitution and ended up no longer being an autocrat, revolution would have been thwarted and Communism very possibly avoided. Then Stalin would have possibly become a decorated general in the Tsarist military and ended up being a key fighter against the Nazis in WWII while Lenin would have been a university professor teaching something other than the finer academic points of a genocidal philosophy.

But then, if he had not married Alix of Hesse, who became Empress Alexandra, who ended up giving birht to a hemophiliac son, relying on Rasputin who encouraged Alexandra to push her husband against granting a constitutional form of government, well, maybe there would have been a different outcome.

It’s all a matter (I think) of whether or not there is a disturbance in the natural flow of things. If the German government had taken the overthrow seriously, then Hitler would have been shot and then the Nazi party, as a real legitimate politicial movement would have been thwarted. Hitler was a driving force behind the Nazis, without him there would have been nothing and the monsters would have remained in the backrooms of beer halls or the basements of ratty shacks in the middle of nowhere.


43 posted on 01/05/2012 8:55:21 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

Like Judas Iscariot it might be better that he had not been born.

I work in a penitentiary and a good many criminals had horrible childhoods; at some point it is no longer an excuse before God, IMHO.


44 posted on 01/05/2012 8:55:58 PM PST by One Name
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To: One Name

Sometimes people just break.


45 posted on 01/05/2012 9:02:35 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

Yes, I have seen it; they become an alternate version of what they could have been.

There but for the grace of God go you and I.


46 posted on 01/05/2012 9:08:03 PM PST by One Name
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To: One Name

Which is why I really, really cannot gloat overmuch about a lot of stuff. If you read his biography, a real good one, it describes how Hitler was abused and that is something that few people want to really acknowledge.


47 posted on 01/05/2012 9:11:15 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: dfwgator

The doctor who treated Hitler’s mother for cancer was Jewish. And even though she died, Hitler was grateful to him. Hitler made sure the doctor got out in the 30s [as did Goering for the two Jewish sisters who hid him when he was seriously wounded during te Beer Hall Putsch].


48 posted on 01/05/2012 9:16:43 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: RC51

If Hitler had never lived. the German Workers’ Party would have achieved bupkus. Eckart and Drexler were a couple of yo-yos [especially Drexler]. Hitler MADE the Party


49 posted on 01/05/2012 9:20:13 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Revolting cat!

“Would the USSR still stand if it had been Carter in 1980?”

Would the USA still stand if it had been Carter in 1980?


50 posted on 01/05/2012 9:20:41 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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