Skip to comments.Neanderthal: New Images of an Ancient Enemy
Posted on 03/18/2012 5:24:33 PM PDT by varmintman
Danny Venderamini's main site.
Vendramini thesis on Youtube.
All Neanderthal images here courtesy of www.themandus.org
This thing starts off with Danny Vendramini figuring out something which should have been figured out 100 years ago i.e.. that (other than for the larger brain area) a Neanderthal skull is a near perfect match for ape profiles and a very bad match for one of ours:
That is consistent with what we know about Neanderthal DNA i.e. that it's no closer to ours than to an ape's. The funny thing is that Vendramini did not tell his artist to produce the world's scariest monster, the basic order was to start with Neanderthal skulls and skeletal bones and try to flesh them out using the assumption that what you had was a bipedal, carniverous ape with an 8" fur coat (like every other ice-age animal) and the big eyes which Neanderthal eye sockets suggest for nocturnal hunting, and possibly a slightly mean look on the thing's face. The fact that what turns up looks as bad as it does to us is probably, as Vendramini suggests, due to past bad experiences with it, sort of like the instinctive human reaction to spiders and snakes:
The 8" fur coat also explains why no Neanderthal needles have ever been found...
Without the fur coat:
Given the recent human population bottleneck, there is no way to believe that any modern human is related to this creature in any way other than for the possible re-use of low-level genetic components by an original designer or designers (the bottleneck says that if any human had any of this guy's genes we all would, not just Caucasians and East Asians), and likewise there is zero way to believe that any modern humans ever interbred with something like that. The image of the Neanderthal in popular culture and science turns out to be rubbish.
This thing was wiped out in some sort of a stone age world war and whoever wiped it out did the world a giant favor. Other than that, Danny Vendramini subscribes to a variant of the Gould/Eldredge flavor of evolutionism, nonetheless the scholarship involved in reconstructing what Neanderthals actually amounted to does not suffer from that.
You can still find these guys at any union meeting.
That may be part of the reason for the popular myth, which says we’re all really just the same, and speaks of some sort of a happy, idyllic prehistoric period in which Gaea-worshiping matriarchal societies dominated a happier planet.....
Not quite Barbara Bach in a fur bikini now is it? I’ll keep my inmage of what cave people looked like, you all can keep yours.
Cave PEOPLE are one thing, the Neanderthal was a cave ape. Cro Magnons did in fact look better than that.
Based on my guys turning inside out the minute I see these pictures, I have a hunch this guy's art is accurate to what the species actually looked like.
There’s a hint of tan line... she must have had a different fur bikini for the colder temperatures in early spring.
Apes and humans are completely different species and the Neantherdal skulls are definitely more apelike.
Assuming he’s correct, I wouldn’t mind seeing his work on Cro-magnan skulls to see what they look like without anthropomorphism.
I agree Laz, in spite of Nat’l Geographic’s pictorial presentations that tried to make them look much like us, I have always felt that this is what they really looked like.
I’d hope she would tan nude.
The bias in favor of the "out of Africa", "we are all brother" hypothesis made me conclude that it was undoubtedly a load of Cro-Magnon crap.
The Cro-Magnons, frequently identified as ancestral to the Europeans and Chinese, had a larger brain than modern man, and were a tad taller ~ probably from a better diet based on wild game, nuts, berries and roots.
During the last quarter of the latest period of glacial advance most European, North Asian and East Asian populations were confined to small unglaciated areas called "refugia". Modern populations are descended from these small groups ~ each is differentiated by various minor gene differences.
The Sa'ami seem to have retained many more of the specific differences that identify the Cro-Magnon people and to a degree may better represent the ancestral population of most of the people in the world.
There have been some changes. Southern tribes gave up living on ice and hunting reindeer and seals. They developed agriculture and animal domestication which changed their diet to the far more unhealthy one of bread and boiled beef. This has led to other, less valuable, genetic differentiation.
No. If anything like that were still around, it would be really obvious from all the remains of deer and farm animals lying around.
I admit looking at it is unsettling.
Oh. You'd hit it? That's a surprise. Not.
There are racial differences in hat size. White folks, in general, don't have the biggest hat sizes BTW.
Venderamini's thesis would be really easy to falsify (i.e. it's not pseudoscience); all you'd have to do would be find the first Neanderthal needle.
I'm assuming that's never gonna happen however since a creature with an 8" fur coat doesn't really need clothing or needles...
Hey. Where’s the fig leaf! :)
But they sung a fine supranno due to the way their vocal cords were placed in relationship to their skulls.
Not that scary - they may have looked mean (in those renderings by some “artist”) but they were likely pussy cats in person.
This guy plays for the Chicago Bears I think.
Re: pictures 3, 5, and 6 - Morlocks as they really should be depicted. Stuff of nightmares.
The Smithsonian in DC had a display with a female in it. As an old sailor we got into a discussion would she be acceptable at 0200 after 10 beers. The answer was yes. I am not surprised that there is some of their DNA in us. Our ancestors were pretty lusty, all in all.
Neanderthal ping...with pics
They control the dhimmocrats.
They had their strengths and weaknesses. Having an 8” fur coat for instance meant they’d have to be more careful of fire than our own ancestors needed to be, i.e. it wouldn’t have been that hard for a Cro Magnon with a torch to light one of them up...
Looks like my high school football coach.
Since the Neanderthal type lived in Europe over a 300,000+ period of time (as compared to our own 35,000 year occupancy) their stuff is a lot older than ours, subject to the wear and tear of FOUR ICE AGES (with innumerable glacial advances) .
Full DNA analysis has been done for only a handful of Neanderthals as yet, but they got the same stuff ~ they are people ~ not apes at all.
BTW, they could also make pigments (for painting something) and could tan hides.
As is typical of so many uninformed folks in this world, what you end up doing is attacking yet another group of red-heads!
Sure, it's a different red-yellow pigment than the more advanced humans have, but it's still red.
Portrayals of Neanderthal as BLACK or DEEP BROWN are necessarily wrong. Portrayals of other humans as WHITE at the same period of time are also wrong.
That isn't the way I read it. Put up or shut up.
"The Middle Paleolithic was the time of the Neanderthal who wore clothing made of animal hides draped around the body and probably bound in place with sinew. Neanderthals did not create any surviving artwork and did not leave behind any evidence of loom or needle."
Predator, that’s what you’re seeing and sensing. Sets off a primordial response. If there were instances of populations crossing paths, I have a pretty good sense of who wanted to kill and eat whom.
Of course, it’s an artist’s conceptualization and could very well be wildly wrong. It illicits the response intended.
Close. Lions and cheetahs are predators however and they don’t generate anything like the reaction that thing does. There’re probably some really bad racial memories involved with that thing.
A reasonably intelligent predator much like oneself in some regards, but utterly feral in others would be more alarming than a four legged creature that has some semblance of physical beauty. A reasonably intelligent, humanoid predator would likely intertain himself rather than immediately dispatching his prey, unlike the four legged predator.
But, then again, this is an artist’s conceptualiztion, and we are no doubt reacting as intended.
I'm satisfied that Neanderthal had the dexterity and eyesight necessary to do needles. At the same time they, like everybody else in the world, probably made their needles out of wood and bone, both highly perishable
Now, the tough one, find a paleolithic stainless steel needle.
Maybe this is Bigfoot?
I know what you mean. Thing scares the crap out of me too.
I had an incident last year where I left my secluded cabin
in the woods at night. No light, I'm familiar enough to find
my Jeep in the dark. I went a few steps and all of a sudden
was terrified. Almost couldn't make it to the Jeep. Shook
and sweat all the way home. I finally figured out that I
had smelled something. A few weeks later there was cougar
killed in the area. I wonder if I smelled one and that part
of my brain screamed “predator”.
That's your standard of proof?? Try doing a google search on "neanderthal needle"; what quickly turns up is any number of statements attesting to the fact that nobody has ever found one.
(Found on wall of a French cave)
Homo saps draw on cave walls [grunt] and
Roll poo in little balls [ooh ooh, aw aw]
.......Ha Ha...the Neanderthals
Of all the varied artist depictions of Neanderthals I have seen in the past, this seems to be one more.
Three or four things I figure led to the demise of the Neanderthal and the atlatl might have been the most major item. Apes don't seem to have the kinds of shoulders you'd want for throwing anything or using something like an atlatl. Other factors would have been Cro Magnons using dogs to nullify the advantage the Neanderthals had at night, fire, and general organizational ability. Neanderthals may have never developed the ability to think of themselves as part of anything bigger than their own family groups or clans.
Don’t talk like that, you’ll confuse the Neanderthals.
After starting off with the superimposition of a skull of an upright hominid onto the head of a forward-leaning gorilla, the whole recreation just goes downhill.
Besides the base of the skull being the wrong shape for a gorilla-type creature, the addition of the jaw would place portions of that skull outside the gorilla head. A Neanderthal skull isn’t all that different from a modern human skull.
The full body recreations look more like models considered for the representation of Gollum in Lord of the Rings than they do to any kind of primate, human or not.
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