Posted on 10/10/2012 8:32:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
By comparing the specimens' ages and degrees of DNA degradation, the researchers calculated that DNA has a half-life of 521 years. That means that after 521 years, half of the bonds between nucleotides in the backbone of a sample would have broken; after another 521 years half of the remaining bonds would have gone; and so on.
The team predicts that even in a bone at an ideal preservation temperature of -5 °C, effectively every bond would be destroyed after a maximum of 6.8 million years. The DNA would cease to be readable much earlier -- perhaps after roughly 1.5 million years, when the remaining strands would be too short to give meaningful information.
"This confirms the widely held suspicion that claims of DNA from dinosaurs and ancient insects trapped in amber are incorrect," says Simon Ho, a computational evolutionary biologist at the University of Sydney in Australia. However, although 6.8 million years is nowhere near the age of a dinosaur bone -- which would be at least 65 million years old -- "We might be able to break the record for the oldest authentic DNA sequence, which currently stands at about half a million years," says Ho...
"I am very interested to see if these findings can be reproduced in very different environments such as permafrost and caves," says Michael Knapp, a palaeogeneticist at the University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand.
Moreover, the researchers found that age differences accounted for only 38.6% of the variation in DNA degradation between moa-bone samples. "Other factors that impact on DNA preservation are clearly at work," says Bunce. "Storage following excavation, soil chemistry and even the time of year when the animal died are all likely contributing factors that will need looking into."
(Excerpt) Read more at nature.com ...
No, they dont’ appear to fit together - because they DON’T fit together. Think about it. If Evolution were true you have death millions of years before sin - and God calls it good. Death and destruction are not a judgment for sin, but just something God thought was cool. You have no Adam and Eve and original sin. You have no need for a Savior because you have undercut the very foundation for a Savior. There is no literal promise about bruising the serpent’s head. You have gutted the Bible so throw it in the trash and live your life. God lies. Scientists tell the truth. If Evolution were true.
Very foolish thinking, if you ask me.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...
Not sure how you saw this as applying to a young earth creationist.
The Universe we “see” is but a limited interpretation of what our consciousness can perceive. An orderly and persistent illusion that allows us to fulfill some greater purpose we may never understand
Every man, every creature, every object we perceive is a representation of something much greater. Even stranger is how everything is interconnected and “one” at some unimaginable level that our minds can't completely grasp.
Science mainly deals with better understanding the principles and “rules” within this interpretation of reality, not what this reality IS or WHY it is so.
From what I've experienced as an engineer and aspiring philosopher, there is some intelligent governing force above us. Not a “big man in the sky”, but something within EVERYTHING that ties all together. It can't be written down in a book or explained. It can only be “felt” and having a very clear conscience seems to make it easier. And even for the most gifted and noble among us, it seems to be something that our minds can only “feel” very briefly.
“A human being is part of the whole,called by us “universe,” a part limited in time and space. He experiences his thoughts and feeling as something separate from the rest — a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us,restricting us to our personal decisions and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.” - Albert Einstein
Which bible do you consider the best translation?
Is the earth really flat cuz I always wondered what is on the bottom side? Are there mountains, oceans, etc?
Ha!!! Nicely played, man!
Thank you.
Kettle?, I'd like you to meet Pot.
Pot, Kettle.
Kettle, Pot.
Believe? No. Yet there it is.
I'd really like to know why and how! There are hundreds of different dating methods that cross check with pretty good accuracy and precision (accuracy and precision are NOT the same thing!)
Decay and fossilization processes are pretty well understood.
Yet there's recognizable collagen in a dino bone.
This should be impossible, yet there it is.
The other thing I find fascinating is that the self-same True Believers who search all of recorded history for rare instances of hoaxes and deliberate mis-dating, so they can hold them up as "typical" scientific fraud, don't utter a peep when a scientist (FEMALE no less) honestly reports her findings that clearly have to be totally wrong, a hoax, a mistake or flat out fraud on someone's part.
She opened the self up to loss of career, reputation and to centuries of ridicule, rather than ignore results that don't fit the scientific canon.
How many of us are that brave and intellectually honest?
Are you putting Jesus before God?
Jesus also cured a blind man with spit and dirt. Is that going to be a part of Bible Based Healing?
Context is important.
Yes. Come to think of it, The Bible does mention pharisees...
Physical death is cool.
Spiritual death? That's a whole 'nother thing.
Where would Christianity be today if Death and Capital Punishment never existed?
Physical death is cool.
And very necessary.
Post of the month.
Thank you.
“All you are supposed to know is there.”
Where did you get that little nugget of wisdom? God gave you a brain, he expects you to use it. Besides, I don’t think how to post to FR is in there. I know. I’ve read it.
I believe you were referring to this article...
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/10021606.html
excerpt:
“Mary Schweitzer sits at a microscope in a dim lab, her face lit only by a glowing computer screen showing a network of thin, branching vessels. That’s right, blood vessels. From a dinosaur. “Ho-ho-ho, I am excite-e-e-e-d,” she chuckles. “I am, like, really excited.”
After 68 million years in the ground, a Tyrannosaurus rex found in Montana was dug up, its leg bone was broken in pieces, and fragments were dissolved in acid in Schweitzer’s laboratory at North Carolina State University in Raleigh. “Cool beans,” she says, looking at the image on the screen.
It was big news indeed last year when Schweitzer announced she had discovered blood vessels and structures that looked like whole cells inside that T. rex bone—the first observation of its kind. The finding amazed colleagues, who had never imagined that even a trace of still-soft dinosaur tissue could survive. After all, as any textbook will tell you, when an animal dies, soft tissues such as blood vessels, muscle and skin decay and disappear over time, while hard tissues like bone may gradually acquire minerals from the environment and become fossils.”
It’s fine to use your brain and reason - heck even logic - but it also helps if mainstream science [aka scientific naturalism] doesn’t neglect to tell you all the contradictory information they have found too.
101 Evidences for a Young Age of the Earth...And the Universe
http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth
Yep. Now put yourself in her shoes.
What would you do?
Assume everything you’ve ever been taught is wrong?
Assume there was some flaw, any flaw, in your technique, procedure, chemicals, sample, interpretation or whatever and ignore the result?
Report it and let the chips fall where they may, even if it could mean loss of livelihood and decades of ridicule?
Keep quiet and go on to something else?
Or what?
Frapster post #61: "John 5:39"
Here is that verse:
Jesus said the Old Testament talks about him, even though the word "Jesus" is never mentioned there.
So, clearly we are to interpret the Bible's words.
And here are other words on that subject:
Matthew 13:34:
"All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them."
Matthew 22:1-3:
"And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, 2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king..."
Mark 4:33:
"And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.
Matthew 5:13:
"Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour...
"Ye are the light of the world."
Luke 13:19:
"It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it."
Clearly, God intends for us to seek and understand higher truths behind biblical metaphors.
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