Skip to comments.Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior Is Normal
Posted on 06/28/2013 3:32:52 AM PDT by nikos1121
In 1973, The American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-II).
This decision was a significant victory for homosexual activists and they have continued to claim that the APA based their decision on new scientific discoveries that proved that homosexual behavior is normal and should be affirmed in our culture.
This is false and part of numerous homosexual urban legends that have infiltrated every aspect of our culture. The removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder has given homosexual activists credibility in the culture, and they have demanded that their sexual behavior be affirmed in society.
What Really Happened?
Numerous psychiatrists over the past decades have described what forces were really at work both inside and outside of the American Psychiatric Association,and what led to the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder.
Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occured in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnoses. (1981)
Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kamney grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a decleration of war against you."
Homosexuals forged APA credentials and threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.
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I'm a physician. I can recall very clearly in medical school that Homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder. Unknown to me apparently, a very strong lobby removed the ICD-9 Code for the disease. Without any data to refute that it is a disease. Without and scientific evidence to refute the hundreds and hundreds of scholarly papers on the subject.
From the article:
"Prior to that time, homosexuality had been treated as a mental disorder under section "302. Sexual Deviations" in the DSM-II. Section 302 said, in part: "This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily towards objects other than people of the opposite sex, toward sexual acts...performed under bizarre circumstances...Even though many find their practices distasteful, they remain unable to substitue normal sexual behavior for them." Homosexuality was listed as the first sexual deviation under 302. Once that diagnostic code for homosexuality was removed, physicians, including psychiatrists, have been prevented from diagnosing homosexuality as a mental disorder for more than three decades."
For example, there has been no "Homo gene." Twin studies, where twins are separated at birth, one is gay the other straight show the same rates of homosexuality, ie. there is not one study that shows a higher percentage of the separated twins being both gay...
I think when you see this in the full perspective, you understand the gradual dismantling of the family unit in our society by a very loud lobby, many of whom are in the green movement, planned parenthood, and I dear say in all branches of our government. Add to that no fault divorce etc...and we've been on a very slippery slope.
Every family almost in the US has in it a gay member. These people are troubled, not happy. Many raped as children and some become predators in their own right. The environment that produced this brings guilt. Relationships within the home are strained and broken forever.
I for one agonize over these family members. If there was a cure that would make them straight, trust me, they'd take it. I doubt that many are happy being gay.
On the other hand, how do we know that through the use of medications and therapy people are not cured of this obsession...this addiction? We don't because any research is shouted down. How is this any different from any other sexual abberration? Many people with sexual addiction in the end stage are homosexual.
Eventually, becuase we are a good people, many of us give in, like you eventually do to the child who continues to negotiate with you because he or she doesn't want to go to bed. The gays of our country are to be loved, but any means of helping them from a destructive life is thwarted from within their ranks.
There is no clear debate on this. We all have accepted that homosexuality is scientifically normal that occurs at birth.
People use the term "tipping point". We've seen that this week in the passage of immigration law in the senate and the SCOTUS rulings. Rulings where clearly the SCOTUS did not have to rule, as Judge Alito stated...that the constitution does not guarantee same sex marriage or polygamy for that matter. But a single unelected judge said it does, and turned away the vote of the people on this subject.
I pray for my son, I pray for this country every day. Life is good, and God says that things will always work out for the common good. I pray that they do, but I must tell you that the past four years or so, has tested my resolve.
I simply don't believe this is true from a familial standpoint. The percentage of gays in this country is not that high - just surfing, estimates range from 2% to 3.5%. And, for the high number, I'd have to see the questions asked before believing that poll.
As for the rest of the statement, I concur.
Tell a lie enough and it bcomes truth
My favorite sleazy poll asked about "homosexual encounters" to determine the percentage of active homosexuals. They listed examples of homosexual encounters, including a same-sex person making unwanted sexual advances. Rather clever actually - dishonest but clever. They hit close to 5% of the population as actively homosexual, and I suspect the true number would have been higher if people had responded honestly.
There have been a couple of great posts on FR this AM. Yours is one.
And this means what, exactly?
There isn't any scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is anything other than a mental disorder. Even if it could be proved that people are born that way, that is not evidence that homosexuality is "normal." People are born schizophrenic, autistic, mentally retarded, psychotic, etc., all the time--people also develop pathologic conditions at other stages of life--the circumstances under which the pathology manifested do not determine whether it is normal. Normal behavior is defined as how close to the center of the bell curve a person's specific behavior pattern lies, when compared to the behavior patterns of the population.
We do a great disservice to people with sexually-associated mental illness when we refuse to treat them or to research effective treatments for their conditions. Pretending they are normal doesn't help them at all. I think of poor Chastity Bono, whose illness spiraled out of control to the point where she made herself into a freak show attraction. Her illness should have never been allowed to fester to that point, and is probably still festering.
/off the soapbox
What you describe about there no longer being any intelligent free debate on the subject, is true across the leftist agenda.
We now have prohibited words, Islam cannot be criticized, global warming must be a fact, all (liberal) minorities and women must be spoken of only as heroic, illegal aliens must not be called “illegal”, All conservatives are racists and nazis, all faculties and curricula are to be leftist, embryos are not to be called human.
It goes on and on.
So, effectively, if a gay’s Gaydar is off, both of the people in the encounter are considered gay...
These people who do not think it’s a mental disorder obviously have never had to deal with homosexuals on a daily basis like I did 10 years ago as part of my job. Believe me they ARE quite mentally disturbed, severely and utterly mentally disturbed and I’m not even talking about their sexual orientation. Besides being the biggest whiny ass bitches this side of creation, I would say almost all of them are also sociopathic. They believe the world revolves around them and everything else is garbage. I never seen a group of people more self-absorbed than homosexuals, ever in my life. When it comes to ego, Kanye West is an amateur next to a homosexual. This is exactly why gays should not serve in the military. They do NOT have the mental stability for it and is the reason why a homosexual is responsible for the largest security breach in US military history (Bradley Manning). They go into their faggot “snits” like Manning did, watch out because they will not care one iota how much they make life hell for other people.
I thought of something similar during all the celebrations among my Facebook friends after the SCOTUS ruling. Gays will still experience much higher rates of "spousal" abuse, will still suffer from much higher rates of depression and suicide, and will still turn to drugs and high-risk sex. They will not know the joys of a stable marriage and children of their own making.
The biggest losers in this cultural shift are gays and those that they recruit to their lifestyle.
I have a relative in show business that would agree with everything you’ve said.
Two percent of the population is queer. Even less than that is interested in getting “married.” Yet we’re supposed to elevate the perverse aberration of same-sex attraction to the same level as traditional heterosexual marriage, an institution that has served as the cornerstone of all social relationships for thousands of years?
Pressure may cower psychiatrists and politicians, but no amount of bullying will make a blue sky green. And no number of protests, parades, or precedents is going to make homosexuality “normal.”
Frankly, I’m starting to think that the more the homos try to push this clearly false notion, the more likely they are to generate a backlash that will force them back in the closet where they belong.
I use to deliver water in New York city down in the village, Christopher street, that whole gay area, and I never went through so much absolute freakin’ hell in my life. They are ALL mentally disturbed all of them ALL of them! For example I would call them up beforehand asking them how many bottles of water they wanted - this was the big 4 - 5 gallon bottles you would put on water coolers - and they would say something like “I need 4 bottles”. So I would get to their place and of course the elevator was out, and so I would have to climb the 3 or 4 flights of stairs - I think the record was 9 flights - with the 200 lbs of this water which was hell enough, and what would they do? Stand allll the way at the top of the landing and get off watching me struggle. They would offer not one single solitary shred of help, and when I got to the top? “Oh I’m sorry I don’t need any water today!” Oh yes, and the phone calls all the time to my boss complaining that I wasn’t delivering fast enough. It’s amazing I didn’t kill any of them, I don’t know how I got through that job. This one specific fag to this day I have fantasies of beating within an inch of his life...He would stand at the top of the landing in his underwear, 3 or 4 stories up and constantly say “Hurry upppp hurry uppp I’m thirrrrsty hurrry uuuup” A guy in his 20s and he would offer not one shred of help but just stand up there playing with himself getting off on me struggling. Oh yeah, and ask me to return a bottle if the plastic was scuffed and not shiny. I tell they are THE most mentally effed up people on this planet, so reading this article I just had to laugh. Not mentally ill? THE worst psyche ward in this country is nowhere near as mentally effed up as a gay neighborhood, no way!
Interesting how easy it is to slant a poll.
Yes.....”When did you stop beating your wife?”
Homosexuality is very normal...relatively ....
I don’t get what you mean about the twin studies. If identical twins raised separately have the same concordance of homosexuality as identical twins raised together, doesn’t that imply that the cause would be genetic or congenital, not environmental?
My understanding is that separated twins have the same prevalence individually as the general population.
Separated twins, as I understand do NOT have a higher prevalence of homosexuality. There is no homo gene or genetic component at play here to explain the sexuality.
Now I’m open to debate and hearing the other side, but the gay lobby has basically put the gabosh on anyone... anyone who says the opposite.
Which is fine, and if that’s the case then why are a good number of homosexuals designated as being sex offenders?
Did you work in the entertainment business?
“I simply don’t believe this is true from a familial standpoint.”
I took it to mean “extended” family. IE: cousins, aunts, uncles, children grandchildren, and so on. Extended family usually can contain a surprisingly large number when you sit down and add them up.
I don’t think the author meant “immediate family”.
I know of NO ONE in my extended family that is gay. I simply don’t believe it....3.5% (if you concede that number is true) doesn’t even account for the claim.
They are all concentrated in areas where the media are, thus giving the impression there are many more of them than there really are.
Gays own the entire media industry.
True...you can see it in the pointless and strained introduction of gay characters in their shows. Simply no point for them being there at all for the show to succeed if it were well done. Pointless, perverted pandering to a bunch of sickos that should be in shock treatment.
You are absolutely right, and I thank you for clarifying things. I assume that I’m speaking to true believers here.
I’m also not saying that all endings are happy endings in the short term. In the long term, I think they are.
Our country has been blessed from the beginning because we were founded on Judeo-Christian values. I think God has watched out for us. However the last four years for sure has seen a culmination of some sinister changes in our moral makeup, that probably started long before that, that I believe will result in God treating us on the whole like we are Sodom and Gommorrah.
Who would think that Putin is the protector of Christiansand we have a guy who promotes their demise?
LOL! Sorry, I'm sure you don't find that funny at all but the way you describe it, that would make great scene in a comedy (if someone today would actually write gays as they are).
I think all of us have gay friends. Many of us have close family members. The women accept the behavior easier than the fathers and the brothers. How many men are purely gay? Probably 2 to 3% or less. How many bisexual? Much higher.
On the other hand, the current generation, is more forgiving and accepting than probably any other generation in the history of this country. Maybe it’s the nature of the evolution of a great society. After affluence you go into a period of moral decay, decadence and demise.
Something must change this trajectory. You would think that the AIDs virus would wake all of us it didn’t, and there’s more new sexual transmitted diseases in adults, esp recently divorced.
Something is going to happen, no doubt. Maybe a back lash on the state level that leads to a constitutional convention and we have an actual amendment that fully states that our country recognizes marriage between a man and a woman.
Yes. What you say is right.
As a physician and as a heterosexual man, I would say homosexuality does not need to be genetic to be a disease. I liken it to any addictive behavior, because there is a similarity. YOu often see multiple addictions actually.
Maybe environmental. What bothers me is that because the left has blocked any discussion or research in this country...or has undermined churches or clinic therapies that try to help people, people who might be healed are not healed.
In fact, we can all learn from an honest discussion on this.
I tried to say what you just did, but you put it more succinctly. I think something is going to happen...
Look, if a man wishes to marry a man, he can. COnsider it his religion. We can’t stop that. But to elevate that to the same level as a marriage between a man and woman is just not going to happen.
And if it does, then this country will be damned. All of us.
AS long as our churches refuse to provide these ceremonies, these people can do their thing.
have you posted this before? I would swear I’ve heard this story before, or one very much like it.
I assume that twins not separated would have the same prevalence of homosexuality, but if one is gay the liklihood that the other is too would make sense of it being more environmental.
I’m a playwright. I contend that stories about married couples are more entertaining that stories about couple who are single or gay etc. At least there are more options in the story.
This is not to say that Sleepless in Seattle, Something’s Got to Give, REturn to Me, big Fat Greek Wedding and on and on and on about the chase...(boy gets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl etc), are not entertaining. They are very entertaining, but one dimensional, but don’t you want to know what happens after? Wouldn’t you love to see the characters played by Jack Nicholson and Diane Keaton in their marital years.
Family Man and Parenthood, Father of the Bride all those wonderful Sitcoms. Maybe I’m off base here. I only know, from a writer’s stand point, it’s easier for me to write a compelling story about married couples than single ones.
I’m sure there are great stories out there about the gays, but for me it’s one dimensional just as much as it is about heterosexual couples that are NOT married.
Maybe it’s more than that. Maybe it’s actually simpler, i.e. about the family of two, that becomes three then four etc. The Waltons don’t seems to go out of style, neither does Leave it to Beaver.
Teh most erotic experience I can recall as a young man occurred on the Island of Mykonos back in the 70s when I was in college. I was going to meet some friends, (not gay) there. The island was made famous because Jackie Kennedy loved it. I knew nothing before hand about the place. I was waiting to get on a bus to go to one of the beaches. I sensed something was amiss when I was getting eyed and oodled by other dudes standing next to me. When I boarded, I naturally sat down next to this cute blonde girl who was about my age. As other men came aboard they were eyeing me like I was fresh meat, and they were on a feeding frenzy. I turned to the girl next to me saying, “Are they making a pass at you or me?” She replied. “They are definitely eyeing you.” I stayed glued to her like a bad smell when we left the bus, and we boarded a little boat that ferried (excuse the pun) us all to one of three beaches. AS we started to come a shore I noticed that half the kids on the beach, (called Paradise) were naked. She wanted to go to the second beach, (Superparadise) the next stop. There everyone was naked. The gays went on to the last beach (Hell). I vividly recall young college age kids from all over the world, many from the US. Sweatshirts that said Cornell, Stanford, UCLA, Notre Dame, OSU, BAMA etc were getting being peeled off. Beautiful people stripping down and running around like they were two years old again in their back yard. Ten minutes after the girl I had met had stripped I did too. I figured, “when in Rome...” Two weeks later I was back in Chicago, and life as usual.
Mykonos then was highly affordable and emaculately clean. Largely due to the gay population on the beach. The beaches were closed down completely a few years later.
This is a whole different culture for gays. It’s a 24/7 sex party that never stops. The jealously, the heart break etc are ten fold what they are in heterosexual couples.
I might have,.. I tell everybody it because to this day it really ticks me off, especially any time I hear people say “homosexuals are like other people they are not mentally ill blah blah blah” Oh maaan that drives me nuts! I say oh no OH nooo?? Let me tell you a story! ha ha.
I agree, IF it stops at that. “Marry” your homo lover. “Marry” your cocker spaniel for all I care. But don’t come into my world and demand that I recognize those perversions as the sacrament of marriage as defined by my religion or even my personal values. You may be able to LEGALLY unite yourself with your goldfish, but I will not — now or ever — recognize that unholy union as a marriage. The law be damned.
Exactly. The mental illness involves more than just making them look upon people of the same gender as sex objects—it permeates every aspect of their lives. Homosexuals who achieve a stable relationship and lifestyle analogous to a heterosexual lifestyle are, I believe, exceedingly rare—especially if they are men.
I'm the OTHER kind of doctor (PhD)... as I like to say, the work I do makes the work you do possible.
I read about some research recently that suggests that homosexuality in men may be the result of epigenetic changes that occur during fetal development. These are caused by a high level of maternal hormones. It is intriguing, and I would like to see whether additional research supports that mechanism.
As you say, homosexuality is probably similar to addictive behavior. I think that the more drugs addicts use, the more they change their epigenetic profile. This makes the addiction deeper, and also causes physical changes in the brain.
Since epigenetic modification does not actually change the DNA sequence, I think that it should be possible to figure out how to reverse those modifications and effect a cure.
The left can't actually block research. They may be able to influence the NIH not to fund research into sexually related mental illness, but they cannot stop private foundations from funding that kind of research.
They are exceedingly rare. A recent study that caused a lot of stir was from the University of Texas (I think) that looked at parenting results of straight vs. gay. The preface of the study noted how very difficult is was to find gay couples that stayed together long enough to be comparable to a straight couple in raising children.
Yes, I remember reading about that. Detractors of the study complained that the study was biased because it didn’t include a statistically significant number of children raised exclusively by gay couples with long-term relationships analogous to those of nuclear families. It didn’t seem to occur to them that perhaps the reason that study group was too small was that there are so few subjects who meet the inclusion criteria.
Excellent post. Chastity Bono, like other mentally ill people, is a product of her environment. If someone thinks Cher is a stable mom, they don’t know Cher.
We won’t fully cure homosexuality until we better understand its epigenetic and environmental causes. How much of it is simply reinforcement or even imprinting?
Excellent and the word must be spread. Even liberals know how it happened:
That radio show is a favorite of mine, particularly to share with liberal friends. They don’t accept news or facts from other sources.
Placemark for pingout.
Okay...I read you all loud and clear, but a couple points.
The defense was jumping around high fiving that they’ve got the case one...I listen to the first prosecutors witnesses, and I’m thinking the same thing...THIS CASE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO TRIAL.
Surely the jury will acquit him, but the media and your Jesse Jackson’s and your Geraldo’s are saying that “the star witness stood firm!”
What all are saying is the truth. If you map out Zimmerman’s movement’s and MArtin’s it looks like Martin went home....then doubled back.
Secondly, how can any reasaonble thinking person listening to the eye witness who saw Martin hitting Zimmerman not come to the conclusion that Martin instigated this, and it was self defense. I think even Derchowitz said it should never have gone to trial.
The judge should stop the trial, because it is obvious at this point....but she won’t.
Oops! I posted to the wrong thread. Would help if I had my glasses on.
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