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Lindbergh, Nazism, and Environmental Fascism
The American Thinker ^ | 10/19/2013 | Mark Musser

Posted on 10/19/2013 9:06:34 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman

Charles Lindbergh, the Lone Eagle, died an environmental fascist in Maui in 1974. He wanted to be buried naked so he would not pollute the earth. The man who was eye up to eyeballs in technological advancements, increasingly became greener the older he became. Neither are his ties to National Socialism incidental to this paradox, because the Nazis themselves lived out this existential paradox to its fullest ...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: agenda21; agenda21roots

1 posted on 10/19/2013 9:06:34 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Oh yeah. German nature worship coincided exactly with the Nazi rise.

Vegetarianism, animal rights etc...


2 posted on 10/19/2013 9:12:02 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

The nazists of yesteryear were indistinguishable from today’s socialists, including all the history of the democrats.

And Lindbergh probably was involved in the kidnapping of his own baby. Very nasty stuff.


3 posted on 10/19/2013 9:13:49 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman; Mr. Silverback; cripplecreek; NoLibZone; Lucky9teen; Pete; bicyclerepair; ...

Thank you for the post, Olympiad Fisherman. Pinging the Agenda 21 interest group.

This is a stunning and not-well-known facet of the roots of modern environmentalism, “sustainability,” and ultimately what we are now fighting as Agenda 21 being foisted on us by the UN.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738418/posts
If anyone wants to be on or off the Agenda 21 ping list, please notify me by Freepmail. It is a relatively low volume list in which we have been exploring the UN Agenda21 and related topics. We have collected our studies with threads, links, and discussions on the Agenda 21 thread which can be found here:

NEW ACTION THREAD:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2863065/posts

Post 128 of the Action Thread is a summary of the history of Agenda 21, “what they are doing”, “what to do about it” and a good bibliography for further reading.


4 posted on 10/19/2013 9:22:25 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Hardraade
Lindbergh was sent to the South Pacific to train pilots. He did so, but got involved in shooting at Zeros, and was shortly recalled to the mainland. :(

What he did in later life is excusable, much as with the possible dementia Barry Goldwater suffered.

5 posted on 10/19/2013 9:23:47 AM PDT by Does so (Soon, we'll be looking like Detroit.)
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To: Hardraade

“And Lindbergh probably was involved in the kidnapping of his own baby. Very nasty stuff.”

Oh wow. I had heard a bunch of things about him, but not that. Geez.


6 posted on 10/19/2013 9:24:55 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Your previous posting of the article and comments on Walter Christaller were interesting. No doubt totalitarians love massive social engineering schemes.

This American Thinker article sites a “Green Nazi” who was well known for waste-water and water run-off systems. My only question is - where is the line drawn between useful ideas and projects, and totalitarian schemes?


7 posted on 10/19/2013 9:26:01 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Hardraade
"The nazists of yesteryear were indistinguishable from today’s socialists,...

Except for that mass murder in concentration camp thing.

Lindberg worked for Lockheed during the war as a consultant, and taught Army Air Force pilots how to run their engines lean to get greater range, a technique that was necessary for the successful mission to kill Admiral Yamamoto. His interest in the Nazis was common at the time. The US, UK, USSR, as well as Germany, Japan, and Italy, all sought to understand how government authority could be used to better the life of people. Germany made a more concerted effort than most to hide their atrocities while exaggerating their successes. Only after the war did the great horror of their concentration camps reveal the true nature of their creed. Before that they were just another country that attacked its neighbors, even its allies.

8 posted on 10/19/2013 9:27:17 AM PDT by donmeaker (q)
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To: donmeaker

Really? You don’t think Mao used camps? And the Democrats have a sizable Maoist segment.

Along with the admin establishment who planned to exterminate 25 million Americans who could not be “re-educated”.


9 posted on 10/19/2013 9:31:54 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: PGR88

Our government planners have all the answers for that!


10 posted on 10/19/2013 9:32:10 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

I always thought it curious how when he was posing for photos he looked just like a Nazi. Rarely smiled, like he was dead emotionally. Even when they gave him a ticker tape parade - no emotion. Hello, is anyone home in there? Reminded me of Himmler. Then you get someone like Lou Gehrig where it’s the exact opposite, it was rare you didn’t see him smiling.


11 posted on 10/19/2013 9:32:18 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: ifinnegan

The author did not mention the vegetarianism of the Nazis.


12 posted on 10/19/2013 9:32:59 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Olympiad Fisherman.


13 posted on 10/19/2013 9:34:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Hardraade

I understand that it was all the murkiness surrounding the kidnapping of his son that led him to move to Europe for a number of years before returning home in time to start pushing for American non-intervention in the war.


14 posted on 10/19/2013 9:34:21 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: TEXOKIE

There is no doubt that Agenda 21 is rooted in the yesteryear plans of National Socialism. Austrian Nazi Kurt Waldheim was heavily involved in the UN during the 1970’s developing its green wing into a powerful international movement against American interests.


15 posted on 10/19/2013 9:36:01 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Does so
Dementia later in life is a terrible thing. The article makes it sound as though Charles may have gone off the rails fairly early. Celebrity tends to screw people up also.

The article makes some good points. There is very little good in what the “environmental movement” has morphed into. It has been hijacked from people genuinely concerned with preserving a quality environment by those with a communist agenda.

16 posted on 10/19/2013 9:36:07 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Germans are very emotional, but love to hide it ...


17 posted on 10/19/2013 9:37:12 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: TEXOKIE

Yes I heard that too. There’s a few books out on the subject and websites. Personally I think it’s quite possible. Lindbergh had the personality traits of a sociopath, completely non-emotional which is why you rarely saw him smile even when they were giving him ticker tapes parade. And then his affinity with the Nazi party even though he knew what they were doing to the Jews. He reminds me a lot of Henrich Himmler, that same non-emotional state where you just know he could kill you and not think twice, just a walking corpse devoid of humanity

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0828319715/thelindberghkidn

Here’s an interesting review:

Case Closed: Lindy did it.
By A Customer on August 26, 1998
Format: Hardcover
As a 25+ year law enforcement veteran, and current homicide detective (and NO, I was not involved in the O.J. investigation) my first impression upon hearing of this book and its premise, was to dismiss it out of hand. After all, I had read most everything else about the Lindbergh case and there had never been a hint that the kidnap was anything but real. Then I read the book. It’s true, the book is not exceedingly well written but these two guys are not professional journalists. What I sensed as I read was the presence of a fellow dogged police investigator (Monier) and, what I have begrugingly come to admire over the years: the skeptical mind of the criminal defense lawyer (Ahlgren). In tandem, their approach to sleuthing an old case is deadly. As I proceeded through the book all the crazy facts of the case which had never seemed to make sense to anyone, and which had provided much of the lure to the Lindbergh case, suddenly seemed to fall into place. The authors show in Lindbergh himself those personality traits which, in my own experience, are consistent with a parent who commits a terrible crime, and then concocts a cover-up. Did Lindy in fact do it? The authors are honest enough to conceed that Lindy as culprit is only one of many scenarios, although one that has previosly been overlooked by the journalists and other amateurs who have studied this case. For me, in my own experience, I’d say it’s the most likely explanation.


18 posted on 10/19/2013 9:40:34 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

The “Green Movement” BEGAN in Nazi Germany. There was a book “The Greening of America” that made that connection, I THINK. It’s been many, many years since I read up on that. The Nazis were against the industrialization of Germany and blamed that on the Jews. They wanted to return Germany to the idilic country it was before industrialization, pure natural land for their pure Aryan race.


19 posted on 10/19/2013 9:42:27 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

The “Green Movement” BEGAN in Nazi Germany. There was a book “The Greening of America” that made that connection, I THINK. It’s been many, many years since I read up on that. The Nazis were against the industrialization of Germany and blamed that on the Jews. They wanted to return Germany to the idilic country it was before industrialization, pure natural land for their pure Aryan race.


20 posted on 10/19/2013 9:42:54 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

The “Green Movement” BEGAN in Nazi Germany. There was a book “The Greening of America” that made that connection, I THINK. It’s been many, many years since I read up on that. The Nazis were against the industrialization of Germany and blamed that on the Jews. They wanted to return Germany to the idilic country it was before industrialization, pure natural land for their pure Aryan race.


21 posted on 10/19/2013 9:42:54 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

The “Green Movement” BEGAN in Nazi Germany. There was a book “The Greening of America” that made that connection, I THINK. It’s been many, many years since I read up on that. The Nazis were against the industrialization of Germany and blamed that on the Jews. They wanted to return Germany to the idilic country it was before industrialization, pure natural land for their pure Aryan race.


22 posted on 10/19/2013 9:42:55 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

“There is no doubt that Agenda 21 is rooted in the yesteryear plans of National Socialism. Austrian Nazi Kurt Waldheim was heavily involved in the UN during the 1970’s developing its green wing into a powerful international movement against American interests.”

Very good point to bring out!


23 posted on 10/19/2013 9:48:02 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

That is fascinating. Thanks for the link.


24 posted on 10/19/2013 9:50:43 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Hey, we get it! You don’t have to post it four times? :)


25 posted on 10/19/2013 9:53:08 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: FrdmLvr

Some Nazis wanted this as you described it, but others, of course, did not. You need to read “Nazi Oaks” by the author of the article, which describes in great detail the National Socialist green connections.


26 posted on 10/19/2013 10:02:47 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Hardraade

Good men see a murder of an innocent and think it should be prevented. Evil men see a murder and seek to emulate it.


27 posted on 10/19/2013 10:16:25 AM PDT by donmeaker (q)
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To: TEXOKIE

One of the theories that folks have suggested for years and years. Conspiracy theorists exist through out history. This is one of those that overlooks actual physical evidence that convicted Hauptmann because they would rather have a conspiracy


28 posted on 10/19/2013 10:22:55 AM PDT by Nifster
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Donate here!

Let's finish this Thon quickly
so Jim can fully recover without
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Thank you!!

29 posted on 10/19/2013 10:27:00 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Nifster

The key is to have discernment about all input, and that is not easy to do!


30 posted on 10/19/2013 10:31:12 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: TEXOKIE

yup


31 posted on 10/19/2013 10:38:45 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Noel Behn’s book says that Charles Jr’s unstable aunt Elizabeth Morrow murdered the boy in a fit of jealousy.


32 posted on 10/19/2013 10:48:43 AM PDT by Corey Ohlis (Visualize Swirled Peas)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

LMAO, I never heard that about Lindberg.

Did he really think his clothing was not bio-degradable?


33 posted on 10/19/2013 10:50:17 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Venturer

Yes, you got right -http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203517304574306273071958760.


34 posted on 10/19/2013 10:58:19 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Lindbergh was a highly complex, and often very contradictory, person.

He wasn’t a Nazi (Hap Arnold praised him for the intelligence he brought back on the German aviation industry from his tours there). His role in the whole “America First” movement was very much overblown. A lot of the animosity towards him was manufactured by a highly vindictive FDR and Harold Ickes, not based on his ideology but how he’d stood up to their efforts to nationalize/militarize the air mail industry, and that after at least 12 Army Air Corps pilots died, per his predictions, he was proven right.

However he was clearly an Aryan supremacist. His writings and beliefs over the years (as well as his wife’s) bear this out. As do the secret children he fathered over the years with at least three German mistresses in order to perpetuate his Aryan line.


35 posted on 10/19/2013 10:59:24 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: vladimir998

Whoa! Sorry.


36 posted on 10/19/2013 11:08:48 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: tanknetter
...as well as his wife’s....

My mom always thought that Anne was the real writer of both their works. I'm betting even today, she was right.

37 posted on 10/19/2013 11:55:16 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: tanknetter

Lindbergh is not a Nazi, but I would still characterize him as an environmental fascist.


38 posted on 10/19/2013 11:58:46 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: onedoug
My mom always thought that Anne was the real writer of both their works. I'm betting even today, she was right.

Actually, I've always thought that was pretty much understood and accepted.

A lot of mythology built up around Lindbergh and the events he was involved with during his lifetime and afterwards. I mentioned the emphasis on his role in America First by a spiteful/vindictive FDR/Ickes (there's a good book that covers this "Those Angry Days: Roosevelt, Lindbergh, and America's Fight Over World War II, 1939-1941").

Another one was how the development and construction of the Spirit of St. Louis was presented by Lindbergh (in "Spirit of St. Louis" and elsewhere). Spirit was not an original airframe. There are pictures of her in the process of being "reworked" for the transatlantic flight that clearly demonstrate she existed prior to Lindbergh's order (possibly as a prototype for the Ryan Brougham family of aircraft), for instance.


39 posted on 10/19/2013 1:11:12 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: TEXOKIE

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 10/19/2013 8:07:36 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

German tree worship and animal worship existed long before the NAZI party and continues more in some American communities than others to this day. They talk much about others being lazy while outlawing work, outlawing property rights and perpetrating improper and illegal tax schemes.


41 posted on 10/20/2013 2:29:45 PM PDT by familyop
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