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Engineer stuns archaeology experts by rubbishing their theories about how the pyramids were built
Daily Record (UK) ^ | January 11, 2014 | Adam Aspinall

Posted on 01/18/2014 11:21:03 AM PST by SunkenCiv

Peter James believes ancient Egyptians formed the huge tombs by piling up rubble and small rocks on the inside and attaching the large bricks on the outside later rather than using giant blocks carried up ramps.

There's much debate over how the pyramids were buil AN engineer dubbed Indiana James has stunned archaeologists by rubbishing their theories on how the pyramids were built.

Peter James believes ancient Egyptians formed the huge tombs by piling up rubble and small rocks on the inside and attaching the large bricks on the outside later.

His claim challenges hundreds of years of accepted belief that the pyramids were built with giant blocks carried up huge ramps.

The structural engineer, who has spent the past 20 years studying the pyramids, reckons that would be impossible.

He explained: “Under the current theories, to lay the two million stone blocks required the Egyptians would have to have laid a large block once every three minutes on long ramps.

“The pyramids are also so tall that the ramps for the stones would have had to have been at least a quarter of a mile long.

“If that happened, there would still be signs that the ramps had been there, and there aren’t any.”

Peter, who has been an engineer for 54 years, admitted his theory would be controversial.

He said: “I’m going to have a war with archaeologists.

“They will say, ‘How would you know? You’re not an archaeologist.’

“But if you wanted a house built, would you use me or an archaeologist?

“They have never had the engineering experience.”

Peter and his team at Cintec International, based in south Wales, are world leaders in restoring ancient structures and have worked deep inside two pyramids to stop them from collapsing.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailyrecord.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: bobbrier; egypt; giza; godsgravesglyphs; greatpyramid; indianajames; jeanpierrehoudin; josephdavidovits; khufu; projectcheops
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There's much debate over how the pyramids were built (c) Grant Faint

There's much debate over how the pyramids were built (c) Grant Faint

1 posted on 01/18/2014 11:21:03 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
BTW, this isn't *the* Peter James, primary author of "Centuries of Darkness". And I guess this is Egypt Week at GGG.

2 posted on 01/18/2014 11:22:12 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I love it when “experts” long-held holdings are challenged sometimes by common sense.


3 posted on 01/18/2014 11:24:07 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

bump


4 posted on 01/18/2014 11:28:47 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: PapaNew

The Egyptians didn’t build them. Obama did.


5 posted on 01/18/2014 11:29:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

+1!


6 posted on 01/18/2014 11:31:06 AM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Is that why all the attempts to tunnel in to find hidden chambers have always encountered rubble instead of great blocks?

Oh wait...


7 posted on 01/18/2014 11:33:08 AM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: SunkenCiv

makes more sense than any other theory i have seen before

did the archeologists think all the inside bricks were all the same as the outside layer?

it would be silly to think that.

Imagine a brick house- is the interior all brick too? or would you (if you had to) pack it solid with inexpensive material and then put the nice bricks just on the outside?


9 posted on 01/18/2014 11:36:20 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I thought this was settled science.


10 posted on 01/18/2014 11:37:42 AM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: SunkenCiv

So how did they “attach” the blocks to the rubble? They still had to raise them. The remains of the ramps are still visible, and the pyramids weren’t all built at once. The pyramid era lasted a couple of centuries.

Every once in a while, somebody dreams up a new way the pyramids were built in order to sell books. A few years ago, some Frenchman claimed the pyramids were actually made out of cement. I knew a leftist idiot who actually believed this. (He read it in a book(!) at the library, and therefore it had to be true.)


11 posted on 01/18/2014 11:41:54 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: SunkenCiv

would a foundation of rubble have beeb sufficient for the known long-term stability of the Pyramids?? and would a foundation of rubble provide a base from which the outer layers would be/could have been laid with such precision??

while long not accepting without skepticism the stanards theories of the pyramids construction

i take with just as much a grain of salt this “experts” opinion


12 posted on 01/18/2014 11:42:24 AM PST by Wuli
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To: SunkenCiv
From Wiki:

A tell is a hill created by many generations of people living and rebuilding on the same spot. Over time, the level rises, forming a mound.[3] The single biggest contributor to the mass of a tell are mud bricks, which disintegrate rapidly. Excavating a tell can reveal buried structures such as government or military buildings, religious shrines and homes, located at different depths depending on their date of use. They often overlap horizontally, vertically, or both. Archaeologists excavate tell sites to interpret architecture, purpose, and date of occupation. Since excavating a tell is a destructive process, physicists and geophysicists have developed non-destructive methods of mapping tell sites.

13 posted on 01/18/2014 11:45:41 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ozzymandus

The Frenchman you mention is Joseph Davidovits, he actually makes sense (which is rare), and I’m neither an idiot nor a leftist.


14 posted on 01/18/2014 11:51:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I read something similar in Omni magazine a long time ago. The article I read “claimed” that the granite in the Pyramids is consistent with what a granite concrete would look like. It would be easier to transport ground-up granite which is “formed” the same way we build concrete buildings.

Not saying it is true considering the source but it is a reasonable theory.


15 posted on 01/18/2014 12:02:10 PM PST by thejokker
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To: SunkenCiv

....from that photo ....looks like they didn’t put any of the large block in place.


16 posted on 01/18/2014 12:02:35 PM PST by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: SunkenCiv

17 posted on 01/18/2014 12:02:53 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: SunkenCiv
Seems easy to prove or disprove this. Drill into the core and see what's in there.

He explained: “Under the current theories, to lay the two million stone blocks required the Egyptians would have to have laid a large block once every three minutes on long ramps.

I haven't heard a good explanation of how they got around this one.

18 posted on 01/18/2014 12:16:45 PM PST by DManA
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To: null and void
Is that why all the attempts to tunnel in to find hidden chambers have always encountered rubble instead of great blocks?

I don't know the guy's full theory and I'm tooo lazy and apathetic to click on the link, but my guess is that they pile the rubble, put down the blocks, then remove the rubble.
19 posted on 01/18/2014 12:17:53 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: SunkenCiv
Modern researchers often underestimate the capabilities of the ancients. Moving the blocks wouldn't have been all that difficult if they used these to roll the stones rather than slide them.

My guess is that this guy is right about the rubbish (stone debris, etc.) fill. To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever gone tearing into the pyramids to see what's behind the first layer or two of stone, so it can't be proved that it's all stone block construction. That's just an assumption made by people who don't build things.

It makes sense that the Egyptians would build the structure in slices; lay down a course of stone for the perimeter and internal structures, fill with rubbish, add to the ramp, and repeat. As they went up, the ramp would continue up. Once they finished, they would start the outer finish and tear the ramp back down. If they used the rockers to turn the stones into rollable cylinders, the ramp wouldn't have been all that long. Or, it could have wrapped around the structure. In either case, there would be little evidence for its existence once the site was cleaned up.

20 posted on 01/18/2014 12:22:25 PM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: SunkenCiv
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21 posted on 01/18/2014 12:31:09 PM PST by preacher (I am not a global warming hoax denier.)
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To: DManA; Revolting cat!; SunkenCiv
the Egyptians would have to have laid a large block once every three minutes on long ramps.

Maybe the pyramids are millions of years older than previously believed. < /sarc >

22 posted on 01/18/2014 12:34:13 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Mr. K

There are no bricks in the three great Giza pyramids.

The usual figure — about 2.5 million blocks — was disputed by someone who’d actually taken his time and measured and counted the numbers of visible blocks and number and thickness of the layers, and came up with a figure over 5 million (published in KMT).

Both figures were disputed by Zahi “Zowie” Hawass, who claimed 2.5 was wildly inflated and the number was something more like 500,000, and the average weight about one quarter of the generally accepted figure.

Jean-Pierre Houdin (see the keywords in this topic), an architect, figures that the very necessary ramp used in construction is still there, and internal to the Great Pyramid. I wonder if he’s ever looked at Khafre, the second largest at Giza?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpR7AKKN87E&list=PL9A112AC9F9727C8A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws4O5LOCI68


23 posted on 01/18/2014 12:35:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

There’s another pretty good theory as well: that the ramps were internal. Probably the most convincing one I’ve heard so far.


24 posted on 01/18/2014 12:38:08 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: thejokker; SunkenCiv
Did the Great Pyramids' builders use concrete?
25 posted on 01/18/2014 12:38:59 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: null and void; Wuli; PapaNew

Heh, yeah, weird coincidence that they just happened to pick areas to dig where there was nothing but solid blocks.

Here’s some goofy stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB6D92CCB31A7A7F8&src_vid=tshlYmX8OkI&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_868032


26 posted on 01/18/2014 12:40:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

“But if you wanted a house built, would you use me or an archaeologist?

LOL. Touché.


27 posted on 01/18/2014 12:40:44 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: thejokker

The Omni article probably was about Davidovits, I wonder if it was in the Antimatter? I believe those are archived online.


28 posted on 01/18/2014 12:43:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: DManA

In the 1980s, a French team (a different one :’) was given permission to investigate a void they found with very sensitive seismic equipment, by drilling through the wall. The found a sand-filled chamber, but that’s all they were allowed to do.


29 posted on 01/18/2014 12:44:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: tanknetter

See the keywords for more about that, “bobbrier” or “jeanpierrehoudin”, or even the links I posted, uh, below your post and above this one somewhere.


30 posted on 01/18/2014 12:49:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Gaffer

“The Egyptians didn’t build them. Obama did.”

Or the Thetans. :-)


31 posted on 01/18/2014 12:49:39 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Lurker

If I were building a house, I wouldn’t be building a pyramid. :’)


32 posted on 01/18/2014 12:50:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: spokeshave

Hey, it’s not so much that he didn’t study the problems, it’s that he didn’t offer any actual explanations.


33 posted on 01/18/2014 12:51:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Moonman62

Tel me somethin’ good [wa wa] tel me tel me tel me...


34 posted on 01/18/2014 12:51:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: PapaBear3625

thanks PB!

http://geopolymerhouses.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/earthbag-building-may-be-thousands-of-years-old/


35 posted on 01/18/2014 12:53:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Remains of giant pyramid builder found in rubble


36 posted on 01/18/2014 12:58:47 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Redcloak

The rolling idea is interesting, however, it wouldn’t help the construction bottlenecks, in fact, might make them worse.

I was sure there was an FR topic about it, found nothin’, may try again, but in the meantime, here’s an image search to help those who don’t know what we’re talking about. :’)

https://www.google.com/search?q=rolling+pyramid+blocks&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch


37 posted on 01/18/2014 1:07:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: DManA

Three minutes? Obviously a shovel ready project.


38 posted on 01/18/2014 1:13:12 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: ozzymandus

So how did they “attach” the blocks to the rubble? They still had to raise them.

***
That is what I am wondering....


39 posted on 01/18/2014 1:13:47 PM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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Note the "Well" or "Robber's Hole" which burrows right down through the blocks (not rubble) of the Great Pyramid, and dating from ancient times:
Inside the Great Pyramid

40 posted on 01/18/2014 1:17:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

“But if you wanted a house built, would you use me or an archaeologist?”

Good one!


41 posted on 01/18/2014 1:19:22 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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Great Pyramid may still contain Khufu’s intact pharaonic tomb
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1442529/posts


42 posted on 01/18/2014 1:19:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: DManA
He explained: “Under the current theories, to lay the two million stone blocks required the Egyptians would have to have laid a large block once every three minutes on long ramps.
I haven't heard a good explanation of how they got around this one.

This rate of bricklaying is required to complete the job in 11 years, working 24/7. Regardless of whether the rubble theory is correct, it's not that difficult to achieve if you consider that more than one bricklayer and more than one stone carrying team was involved. The pyramid is large enough to support 100 such teams - and each laying team would use tens, if not hundreds, of stone delivery teams, so that the bricklayer at the pyramid always has stones to position and lay down. If each bricklayer needs 1 hour to place one stone, they needed only 20 bricklayers. This is not an unusual number; you can have that many working on a house today.

With regard to rubble, today it's probably easy enough to transport it on large mining trucks. But what would that be easier in ancient Egypt, delivering rubble (in baskets?) or pushing a single, self-contained block of stone? There was a considerable shortage of heavy trucks in Egypt. Transportation of a stone slab only requires pulling force (slaves, animals) and some rollers (trunks of trees.) The road would become flat enough on its own, after first 1,000 slabs are delivered.

Rubble also has tendency to settle. Today thick walls of brick buildings are usually hollow, and filled inside with light gravel, for stability and for thermal insulation. However that gravel has no load-carrying function. A pyramid would have to have an all-stone framework, with voids that one could fill; but that framework has to be very, very strong - perhaps stronger than the stone. Gravel alone would settle over centuries, and the pyramid would fall inward, or otherwise sag, with very obvious deformations inside and outside. This is not what is observed, as I understand - the structure appears to be very rigid. It may be that gravel comprises 50% of the pyramid, but not much more, given that the pyramid is still standing.

43 posted on 01/18/2014 1:22:16 PM PST by Greysard
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1769027/posts?page=57#57

MICHIGAN MAN MAY HAVE TAPPED SECRETS OF THE ANCIENTS
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104739/posts


44 posted on 01/18/2014 1:23:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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Ancient mystery solved? Taft
man says ‘Murphy Mover’ explains pyramids
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1777639/posts

Taft man says ‘Murphy Mover’ explains pyramids

http://www.hotspotsz.com/Taft_man_says_Murphy_Mover_explains_pyramids_(Article-6195).html

http://www.hotspotsz.com/images0/James_Murphy.jpg


45 posted on 01/18/2014 1:26:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Osvaldo+Falesiedi&sa=G&hl=en&tbm=isch


46 posted on 01/18/2014 1:27:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Gaffer; SunkenCiv

The “Pyramids” are actually an optical illusion, projected
upon desert sands with a sort of ‘Magic Lantern.’


47 posted on 01/18/2014 1:28:27 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (This GOP is dead. What do we do now?)
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To: SunkenCiv

I Think Jean-Pierre Houdin pretty well nails the construction process for the Pyramids. In addition to his internal ramp theory he found a corner cavity inside the great pyramid edge where a block and tackle tripod could manipulate and turn the blocks as the project built up. Remember they put the angled smooth face blocks at the outside on first.
The other thing he and Bob Brier, of Long Island University found, in what I think was a destroyed temple or some other kind of construction was evidence for the internal ramps having been a way to get material to the top of their projects.


48 posted on 01/18/2014 1:35:41 PM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: Greysard

Look at the pics in comment #17 to better understand theory


49 posted on 01/18/2014 1:59:24 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: SunkenCiv

You may not be a leftist, but if you think the pyramids were made of cement, I can’t vouch for the other. And I read the book. Interesting nonsense, like the first “Chariots Of The Gods”.


50 posted on 01/18/2014 2:00:14 PM PST by ozzymandus
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