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“Kid, I’m Sorry, but You’re Just Not College Material”
Slate ^ | 03/19/2014 | By Michael J. Petrilli

Posted on 03/19/2014 1:11:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

It’s an article of faith in the school reform community that we should be striving to prepare all students for success in college—if not a four-year degree, then some other recognized and reputable post-secondary credential.

The rationale is clear and generally compelling; as a recent Pew study reiterated, people who graduate from college earn significantly more than those who do not.

Other research indicates that low-income students in particular benefit from college, becoming nearly three times more likely to make it into the middle class than their peers who earn some (or no) college credits. And it’s not just about money: College graduates are also healthier, more involved in their communities, and happier in their jobs.

Thus, in the reformers’ bible, the greatest sin is to look a student in the eye and say, “Kid, I’m sorry, but you’re just not college material.”

But what if such a cautionary sermon is exactly what some teenagers need? What if encouraging students to take a shot at the college track—despite very long odds of crossing its finish line—does them more harm than good? What if our own hyper-credentialed life experiences and ideologies are blinding us to alternative pathways to the middle class? Including some that might be a lot more viable for a great many young people? What if we should be following the lead of countries like Germany, where “tracking” isn’t a dirty word but a common-sense way to prepare teenagers for respected, well-paid work?

Here’s a stark fact: According to research by Georgetown’s Anthony Carnevale and Jeff Strohl, less than 10 percent of poor children now graduate with a four-year college degree.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
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To: SeekAndFind

Now the libs want college to be “free.” Combine that with a different set of standards for people according to their membership in an appropriate victim group, and college will have absolutely no value at all.


21 posted on 03/19/2014 1:44:10 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I have three nephews.

The youngest said, "%&$# college" and went into the Air Force and is currently having the time of his life stationed in Germany.

My second nephew said "%&$# college", got a plumber's certificate and now runs his own business, supporting a wife and two daughters.

My oldest nephew has a Masters Degree........and no job.

22 posted on 03/19/2014 1:45:11 PM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Other research indicates that low-income students in particular benefit from college, becoming nearly three times more likely to make it into the middle class than their peers

That's solely due to "affirmative action" in both the college and the work force which still prevails today........And one could certainly argue that B. Hussein Obama is a product of that racist and failed philosophy........

23 posted on 03/19/2014 1:47:48 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“You come to this institution with a head full of mush, and after four years, you leave here with a piece of paper, a $100,000 school loan debt, and a head full of oatmeal.”


24 posted on 03/19/2014 1:50:07 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind
We should give everybody options that will help them succeed.

Whaddya mean "WE"? Before the days when EVERUONE went to college, people found their own opportunities and showed the world what prosperity looked like.

The only thing "WE" (i.e. the government) need to give everybody is the freedom to make their own way in life.

25 posted on 03/19/2014 1:52:33 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: SeekAndFind
What if our own hyper-credentialed life experiences and ideologies are blinding us to alternative pathways to the middle class?

"Our own"?

26 posted on 03/19/2014 1:59:46 PM PDT by x
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To: SeekAndFind

HEY DUMBASS! GET SOME SAFETY GLASSES ON!


27 posted on 03/19/2014 2:11:08 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: x

Hahahahahahaha...that jumped out at me too.

People who are “hyper-credentialed” think that putting a whole boatload of hyphenated acronyms after their name shows people how smart they are.


28 posted on 03/19/2014 2:15:31 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: x

“Who you mean by ‘our own’ Kemosabe?”


29 posted on 03/19/2014 2:16:02 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Of course, Mike Rowe has a college degree in communications from Towson University.


30 posted on 03/19/2014 2:20:05 PM PDT by dmz
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To: SeekAndFind
College is no longer an education but now is indoctrination.

I went to college right after high school and then dropped out but a few years ago I went back and 80% of the young students were so inept the could hardly write a coherent sentence. And every class had some element of politically correct nonsense from enviromenalism to misogyny. It was so bad.

31 posted on 03/19/2014 2:59:21 PM PDT by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: dmz

Yes, he does. Your point? He’s FOS? Hypocrite?


32 posted on 03/19/2014 3:15:09 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: SeekAndFind; ex-snook
Problem is, most BigCorp are like my employer. Do we have positions that do not require a degree? Sure, plenty of 'em, especially for field technicians. Will you ever be promoted? Receive a significant pay raise? Get new bennies? No. Will you be looked down upon by the office peeps? Will you be referred to as "low-rent" and "not suitable for promotion"? Will executives openly discuss replacing "obsoletes" with robots and software and automation in your hearing? Absolutely. I try to get my co-workers and superiors to take a different view, but it's a battle that's long been lost.
I believe that high schools teach the same material to the money rich and the money poor. Colleges should loan good students the necessary money and teach them well or they won't get their money back.
Not a bad idea. Needs to be some accountability on the college side.
33 posted on 03/19/2014 3:21:20 PM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: GAFreedom

The dirty little secret is the colleges don’t care if they “get their money back.” It wasn’t theirs in the fist place. To them, student loans are just another grant flowing into their pockets.


34 posted on 03/19/2014 3:24:21 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: SeekAndFind
We should give everybody options that will help them succeed

"We"? "should"? "everybody"?

Who is "we"? And why should "we" do this for "everybody"?

35 posted on 03/19/2014 3:27:04 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: SeekAndFind

College entrance USED to depend upon taking certain courses throughout high school - with good grades, and then passing college entrance exams.

You either ‘made’ it or you didn’t!!


36 posted on 03/19/2014 3:34:44 PM PDT by potlatch ("Dream as if you'll live forever...Live as if you'll die today")
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To: 9YearLurker
A kid should simply be told the stats for students with his test scores and grades—and be introduced to the community college system if his success is questionable.
If you read the last paragraph of the story, even that is questionable:
Most . . . low-income students who start community college in remedial courses . . . won’t ever get past their remedial courses.
If college started out hard for me - and also for the only two guys who outranked me in high school, who later became college professors - what are the odds against people who start out not even being readers!

37 posted on 03/20/2014 12:44:48 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Yeah, we’re graduating far too many kids functioning at the 3rd grade level or less. But college classes run the spectrum from hard to incredibly easy, depending upon school and subject.


38 posted on 03/20/2014 1:48:06 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind
"Why push students down educational paths that will likely result in them dropping out?'

Because University Admins like to make Big Fat Paychecks from all the suckers who go in debt!

39 posted on 03/20/2014 1:59:39 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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