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Were Hebrews Ever Slaves in Ancient Egypt? Yes
Haaretz ^ | April 14, 2016 | Philippe Bohstrom

Posted on 07/03/2016 10:06:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Conclusively, Semitic slaves there were. However, critics argue there's no archaeological evidence of a Semitic tribe worshiping Yahweh in Egypt.

Because of the muddy conditions of the East Delta, almost no papyri have survived -- but those that did, may provide further clues in the search for the lost Israelites.

The papyrus Anastasi VI from around 3200 years ago describes how the Egyptian authorities allowed a group of Semitic nomads from Edom who worshiped Yahweh to pass the border-fortress in the region of Tjeku (Wadi Tumilat) and proceed with their livestock to the lakes of Pithom.

Shortly afterwards, the Israelites enter world history with the Merenptah stele, which bears the first mention of an entity called Israel in Canaan. It is robustly dated at is 1210 BCE, i.e., as of writing, 3226 years ago.

These Yahweh worshippers were in ancient Egypt well after the Exodus is supposed to have happened. Members of the Yahweh cult may have existed there earlier, but there is no solid evidence for that. There are, however, indications.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 12thdynasty; 13thdynasty; amenemhetiii; ancientegypt; baalzaphon; catastrophism; egypt; egyptslaves; exodus; godsgravesglyphs; hebrewslaves; israel; jerusalem; joseph; letshavejerusalem; potiphar; ptahwer; sinai; slavery; theexodus; worldhistory
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Levant Clothing circa 1900BC. A group of Asiatic peoples bearing gifts and playing musical instruments depicted entering Egypt c. 1900 BC from the tomb of a 12th dynasty official Khnumhotep under pharaoh Senusret II at Beni Hasan. Ibscha Relief Chnumhotep II. (6th Year of Sesostris II) courtesy of Wiki Commons

Ibscha Relief Chnumhotep II. (6th Year of Sesostris II)

1 posted on 07/03/2016 10:06:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: 75thOVI; Abathar; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...

One of *those* topics.



Joseph and Potiphar, Immanuel Velikovsky
The story of Joseph is one of the best known in the Bible... in order to find out whether the personality of Joseph or the patron of the early stage of his career, Potiphar, is referred to in the historical documents, we have to look into those of the Middle Kingdom. The task appears simple. According to the Book of Genesis Potiphar was "an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard." In the register of the private names to the Ancient Records of Egypt by James Breasted, we find the name Ptahwer... at the service of the Pharaoh Amenemhet III of the Twelfth Dynasty of the Middle Kingdom. According to an inscription of Ptahwer at Sarbut el-Khadem in Sinai dated in the forty-fifth year of Amenemhet III, his office was that of "master of the double cabinet, chief of the treasury." ...The inscription records the successful accomplishment of some peaceful expedition. Since there is only one Ptahwer in the historical documents, and since he lived in the time when we expect to find him, we are probably not wrong in identifying the biblical Potiphar with the historical Ptahwer. This being the conclusion concerning Potiphar, we are curious to find whether any mention of Joseph is found in historical documents, too. the fact that from the great and glorious age of the Middle Kingdom only a very few historical inscriptions are extant. Since a great famine took place in the days of Joseph, it is, of course, important to trace such a famine in the age of which we speak. In the days of Amenemhet III there occurred in Egypt a famine enduring nine long years... Thus it seems that the Pharaoh in whose days was the seven years' famine was the successor of the Pharaoh in whose days began the rise of Joseph's career (if Yatu is Joseph). Potiphar, who lived under Amenemhet III, probably lived also under his successor. The inscription which deals with Ptahwer mentions a man whose name is transliterated by Breasted as Y-t-w. Among the monuments of Amenemhet III's reign is one of the Storekeeper... The inscription that mentions Ptahwer refers to his activity in the mines of the Sinai peninsula. In this respect it is of interest to find that the Jewish traditions connect Joseph with the area of the Sinai Peninsula saying that he kept a large quantity of treasuries near Baal Zaphon, the scene of the Passage of the Sea.

2 posted on 07/03/2016 10:07:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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The Biblical Archaeology keyword, sorted:
3 posted on 07/03/2016 10:08:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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4 posted on 07/03/2016 10:08:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: SunkenCiv

We’re talking about a faith in an all encompassing single God, invisible in one sense, but omni-visible in the universe as a whole. What kinds of artifacts are they expecting to find? No statues, seals, coins, and it was hundreds of years in the Promised Land before they decided to build a permanent temple.


5 posted on 07/03/2016 10:19:20 AM PDT by katana
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To: SunkenCiv
Sethi: Let the name of Moses be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the name of Moses be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time.

Sure, it's just a line from a movie script, but the Ancient Egyptians did stuff like that allo the time!
6 posted on 07/03/2016 10:26:14 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: SunkenCiv
They HAD to get that word, "levant" in there, didn't they ... ?!
7 posted on 07/03/2016 10:32:38 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true ... and it ticks people off)
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To: SunkenCiv

I doubt if the author of the article has seen “Patterns of Evidence: Exodus,” the movie documentary that came out on this subject last year. Quite a bit of evidence for Semitic activity in Egypt has been uncovered at Tell ed-Daba (Avaris), for anyone willing to look.


8 posted on 07/03/2016 10:35:22 AM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Kewl, they are bringing the sacrificial console TV
as an offering.


9 posted on 07/03/2016 10:36:15 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: katana

It’s cringe-worthy to see contentious remonstrations about ancient Hebrews being enslaved while, at least to American Jewry, the existential struggles of Israel are not even on the radar.


10 posted on 07/03/2016 10:43:39 AM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Berosus

See the book,
Israel in Egypt: The Evidence for the Authenticity of the Exodus Tradition,

by James K. Hoffmeier

Lots of evidence, it seems.


11 posted on 07/03/2016 11:24:32 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: tet68

It’s a chicken rotisserie grill.


12 posted on 07/03/2016 11:29:58 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: SunkenCiv
"It is robustly dated at is 1210 BCE BC, i.e., as of writing, 3226 years ago."

FIFY

13 posted on 07/03/2016 12:15:04 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: SunkenCiv

LIES! ALL LIES!

Everyone KNOWS the Levant was empty of all peoples until Mohammed (praise unto his name) brought forth Islam to the area! Thus it always was and always shall be for Islam!

/sarc


14 posted on 07/03/2016 1:24:24 PM PDT by Shanghai Dan
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To: knarf

Probably from that Elton John song, which means, homosexual agenda!!!


15 posted on 07/03/2016 3:46:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: CondorFlight; Berosus

Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus
by filmmaker Timothy Mahoney
http://patternsofevidence.com/story/
http://www.christianbook.com/patterns-of-evidence-exodus/pd/242342?kw=21904556772&mt=b&dv=c&event=PPCSRC&p=1186432&gclid=CMPA192x2M0CFQeraQodbNYK1A

Israel in Egypt: The Evidence for the Authenticity of the Exodus Tradition
by James K. Hoffmeier [March 18, 1999]
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Egypt-Evidence-Authenticity-Tradition/dp/019513088X
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/israel-in-egypt-9780195130881?cc=us&lang=en&;

The Exodus Problem and its Ramifications by Donovan Courville (ouch on the price!)
https://www.amazon.com/Exodus-Problem-Its-Ramifications-Set/dp/0913776033

The Exodus Problem and its Ramifications by Donovan Courville, reviewed
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/BookReviews1949-1989/12-73.html

A Depth Review of Donovan Courville’s “The Exodus Problem and its Ramifications”
by Thomas Hamilton
http://www.academia.edu/12777505/A_Depth_Review_of_Donovan_Courvilles_The_Exodus_Problem_and_its_Ramifications


16 posted on 07/03/2016 3:55:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: katana
No, as a matter of fact, we're not -- we're talking about whether Hebrews were ever slaves in ancient Egypt. Hence the title.

17 posted on 07/03/2016 3:55:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: tet68

I’ve had a few TVs I wanted to smash with a 12-pound sledge...


18 posted on 07/03/2016 3:56:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: Shanghai Dan

;’)


19 posted on 07/03/2016 3:56:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Not really sure what you're saying. My point was that certain researchers use lack of the usual artifacts characteristic of Near Eastern religions, cult objects, statues, temple foundations, papyrus and clay writings, etc. to question the veracity of the Torah and the history it contains. Pre-Exodus Hebrews, especially slaves, wouldn't have left much trace. A nearly invisible people for a wholly (or at least usually, burning bushes aside) invisible God.

One of the more recent theories I find worth considering is that the Egyptians at one point encouraged Semitic tribes to settle in the Eastern areas of the Nile Delta as a buffer against the Hittites and others. After a few generations the Semites became so numerous that they were perceived as a threat and were then subjected to mass conscript labor, i.e. slavery to Pharaoh. It was from that servitude they were led by Moses. Who knows? Main point is the Bible is not a collection of fantasy and whole cloth myth.

20 posted on 07/03/2016 4:22:31 PM PDT by katana
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