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Physicists Just Accidentally Made a New Discovery About Black Holes
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | 13 SEPTEMBER 2021 | MICHELLE STARR

Posted on 09/13/2021 11:15:38 AM PDT by Red Badger

Given that our first direct detections confirming the existence of black holes only took place in this century, humanity can be forgiven for not knowing a few things about these mysterious cosmic objects.

We don't even know everything we don't know – a fact that's been made evident in a new discovery. While running equations for quantum gravity corrections for the entropy of a black hole, a pair of physicists found that black holes exert pressure on the space around them.

Not much pressure, to be sure – but it's a finding that's fascinatingly consistent with Stephen Hawking's prediction that black holes emit radiation and therefore not only have a temperature, but slowly shrink over time, in the absence of accretion.

"Our finding that Schwarzschild black holes have a pressure as well as a temperature is even more exciting given that it was a total surprise," said physicist and astronomer Xavier Calmet of the University of Sussex in the UK.

"If you consider black holes within only general relativity, one can show that they have a singularity in their centres where the laws of physics as we know them must break down.

"It is hoped that when quantum field theory is incorporated into general relativity, we might be able to find a new description of black holes."

When they made their discovery, Calmet and his University of Sussex colleague, physicist and astronomer Folkert Kuipers, were performing calculations using quantum field theory to try and probe the event horizon of a black hole.

Specifically, they were trying to understand the fluctuations at the event horizon of a black hole that correct its entropy, a measure of the progression from order to disorder.

While they were performing these calculations, Calmet and Kuipers kept running across an additional figure that appeared in their equations, but it took a while for them to recognize what they were looking at – pressure.

"The pin-drop moment when we realised that the mystery result in our equations was telling us that the black hole we were studying had a pressure – after months of grappling with it – was exhilarating," Kuipers said.

It's unclear what's causing the pressure, and according to the team's calculations, it's very small. Moreover, it's negative – expressed as -2E-46bar for a black hole the mass of the Sun, compared to Earth's 1bar at sea level.

This means exactly what it sounds like it means – the black hole would be shrinking, not growing. That's consistent with Hawking's prediction, although at this point it's impossible to determine how negative pressure relates to Hawking radiation, or even if the two phenomena are related.

However, the finding could have interesting implications for our attempts to square general relativity (on macro scales) with quantum mechanics (which operates on extremely small scales).

Black holes are thought to be key to this undertaking. The black hole singularity is mathematically described as a one-dimensional point of extremely high density, at which point general relativity breaks down – but the gravitational field around it can only be described relativistically.

Figuring out how the two regimes fit together could also help tp solve a really thorny black hole problem. According to general relativity, information that disappears beyond a black hole could be gone forever. Under quantum mechanics, it can't be. This is the black hole information paradox, and mathematically exploring the space-time around a black hole could help resolve it.

"Our work is a step in this direction," Calmet said, "and although the pressure exerted by the black hole that we were studying is tiny, the fact that it is present opens up multiple new possibilities, spanning the study of astrophysics, particle physics and quantum physics."

The research has been published in Physical Review D.


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: astronomy; astrophysics; blackholes; johnwileyprice; science; scientists; stephanhawking; stephenhawking
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To: I want the USA back

21 posted on 09/13/2021 11:53:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger
I barely passed algebra so what amazes me is that all these scientific assumptions are made using mathematical equations. I would love to see the chalk boards where they drew it all up........
22 posted on 09/13/2021 11:54:19 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Without potatoes, life has no meaning......)
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To: Hot Tabasco

23 posted on 09/13/2021 11:54:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Cue that Far Side cartoon.......


24 posted on 09/13/2021 11:55:13 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Without potatoes, life has no meaning......)
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To: Red Badger

Not that one, the other one where the janitor starts erasing the chalk board......


25 posted on 09/13/2021 11:57:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Without potatoes, life has no meaning......)
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To: Hot Tabasco

26 posted on 09/13/2021 12:01:39 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Hot Tabasco

27 posted on 09/13/2021 12:02:18 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Paul46360

I think Willy Brown done discovered that one long before the physicists . . .


28 posted on 09/13/2021 12:02:23 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: Red Badger

Using the color black to describe something is racist, unless you’re talking about folks of color.


29 posted on 09/13/2021 12:02:42 PM PDT by SkyDancer (How Can I Ask For Forgiveness If I Won't Forgive Others?)
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To: Red Badger

“The black hole singularity is mathematically described as a one-dimensional point of extremely high density”

All the points I’m familiar with are zero-dimensional. These ones must be really unique.


30 posted on 09/13/2021 12:05:01 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: rightwingcrazy

They are overweight.................


31 posted on 09/13/2021 12:05:31 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

In a revelation that is likely to stun the world of astrophysics, Freerepublic poster iacovatx has discovered that black holes aren’t really holes, they are lumps. “This rewrites every physics textbook and blog”, wrote the ever-smug and somewhat annoying iacovatx.


32 posted on 09/13/2021 12:06:10 PM PDT by iacovatx (You cannot vote yourself out of being attacked.)
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To: Red Badger

“This means exactly what it sounds like it means – the black hole would be shrinking, not growing. That’s consistent with Hawking’s prediction, although at this point it’s impossible to determine how negative pressure relates to Hawking radiation, or even if the two phenomena are related.”

Sounds very contradictory to me. Negative pressure but emitting radiation?

Also all this is just calculations, like dark matter and dark energy that no one has ever seen or detected. More likely fudge factors to make their equations work.


33 posted on 09/13/2021 12:09:11 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Red Badger

What about Oprah?


34 posted on 09/13/2021 12:12:36 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to says it.)
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To: Puppage

She’s still accreting.....................


35 posted on 09/13/2021 12:12:59 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Seruzawa

“That arrogant prick Tyson being one of the worst.”

Just another affirmative action hire.


36 posted on 09/13/2021 12:13:22 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Seruzawa

Tyson is a fool’s fool—would not want that clown near any serious discussion of anything.


37 posted on 09/13/2021 12:15:16 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Red Badger

they’re pink on the inside...


38 posted on 09/13/2021 12:16:55 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: Hot Tabasco

The problem is worse than that.

There is no way of proving that the real world is accurately described by mathematics at all—it may be describing a mathematical construct (like a hologram) that is just the surface with actual reality hidden from view.


39 posted on 09/13/2021 12:17:17 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: aquila48
fudge factors to make their equations work.

Nailed it--good job.
40 posted on 09/13/2021 12:18:12 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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