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EPA rule sharply limits HFCs, gases used as refrigerants
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | September 23, 2021 | Matthew Daly, AP

Posted on 09/23/2021 12:48:03 PM PDT by CedarDave

WASHINGTON — In what officials call a key step to combat climate change, the Environmental Protection Agency is sharply limiting domestic production and use of hydrofluorocarbons, highly potent greenhouse gases commonly used in refrigerators and air conditioners.

The new rule announced Thursday follows through on a law Congress passed last year and is intended to decrease U.S. production and use of HFCs by 85% over the next 15 years, part of a global phaseout designed to slow global warming.

The administration also is taking steps to crack down on imports of HFCs, greenhouse gases that are thousands of times more powerful than carbon dioxide. They often leak through pipes or appliances that use compressed refrigerants and are considered a major driver of global warming. President Joe Biden has pledged to embrace a 2016 global agreement to greatly reduce HFCs by 2036.

The rule, set to take effect in late October, is expected to reduce harmful emissions by the equivalent of 4.5 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide by 2050, McCarthy said, a total similar to three years of emissions from the U.S. power sector.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: cfc; climatechange; epa; fakescience; freon; genderdysphoria; globalwarminghoax; greennewdeal; hfc; homosexualagenda; hydrofluorocarbons
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
That figures -- heat pumps are more than 100% efficient (in effect) because all they are is a heat exchange. Buried grids for heating and cooling work fine even here in the snow belt. They're just pricey to install.

41 posted on 09/23/2021 4:29:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: CedarDave

It would set a good example for the US Capitol Building, the White House and Supreme Court Building to lead the way in this endeavor. But they’ll undoubtedly exempt themselves from any discomfort the rest of the country will experience.


42 posted on 09/23/2021 4:52:48 PM PDT by rgr393
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To: SunkenCiv

“....heat pumps are more than 100% efficient...”

From what I’ve researched, they’re a waste of money down here in Texas.


43 posted on 09/23/2021 5:00:43 PM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: LastDayz

Heh... Maybe with an inground pool...


44 posted on 09/23/2021 5:46:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: CedarDave

I work in the A/C industry so I’m deeply invested in the results of these government overreaches.


45 posted on 09/23/2021 11:08:50 PM PDT by fwdude (If you don’t think you are in a battle w/ the culture for your children then you are already losing.)
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To: Pollard

I just blow out all the old oil and get a new drier for the old R12 systems, then refill them with new PAG and R134A. Works just fine... Been doing that since they came out with the 134A, The mechanical system is not smart enough to know what it is compressing, condensing, and evaporating. :)

The conversions were a scam...


46 posted on 09/24/2021 4:30:05 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: CedarDave; 100American; 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; ...

Veggie Tales will be replaced by Spoiled Meat Tales.

Global Warming PING!


47 posted on 09/24/2021 4:32:28 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Florida: America's new free zone.)
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To: hsmomx3
Just putting this stuff in the AC and refrigerators as well as cars is going to cost much more than people realize.

Democrat commies behind this regulation KNOW EXACTLY how much damage it will do to our food chains and our economy. It's intentional - an intentional way to damage the country more - more than inflation, more than open borders, more than energy dependence, more than Afghanistan - it's a commie tactic.

48 posted on 09/24/2021 4:52:15 AM PDT by GOPJ (Same people who supplied pallets of bricks for BLM are supplying tent poles for illegals.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; All

Y’all better learn now to grow and/or hunt, can and dehydrate your food. That is all. :)


49 posted on 09/24/2021 5:36:35 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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I, for one, look FORWARD to a life of hard-tack and jerky, LOL!


50 posted on 09/24/2021 5:37:32 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: CedarDave

So, R12 was bad for the ozone so they went to R134a. That is bad for AGW, so now it’s 1234YF. There will be a problem with that, too, but it will not be announced until we have billions invested in it. In the mean time, leftists theoreticians discuss the inherent immorality of air conditioning. I think there is a pattern here.


51 posted on 09/24/2021 7:39:59 AM PDT by beef (The Chinese have a little secret—diversity is _not_ a strength.)
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To: seowulf

The ozone hole is still there, but now it is caused by AGW.


52 posted on 09/24/2021 7:42:30 AM PDT by beef (The Chinese have a little secret—diversity is _not_ a strength.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Refrigeration played a big role in enabling our standard of living.

The Watermelon Environmentalist need people desperate enough to want socialism so they undermine whatever makes us comfortable or prosperous.

We should have hung all the commies in the 1950s rather than foolishly relented.


53 posted on 09/24/2021 7:46:01 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Pollard

Having R-12 taken out of an antique immaculate campervan would be nice. How does one find someone certified as you in another state? The old condenser sat for a long time and does not condense. The system has lost no R-12 (that is, it will not take a charge.

Thank you for the information. The number of BS “kits” to convert to 134a using the same system as understand it- actually ruins the system/seals ... unless mistaken.

Overall point here was the constant “environmental” push that aids industry that is large enough to be forced to change over, costing citizens billions in the changing, for the reasons of the “ozone layer” “science” which is not, again the variance is solar related. But what do the world eco-socialists care about science if it gets in the way of destroying an economy.

But other problems— Chinese based. Such as a domestic Trane unit had to change out— and guess what— a heat pump valve to change over to heat pump from a/c cooling... the Trane guy told me its-— MADE IN CHINA, and brand new does not freaking work well at ALL. O


54 posted on 09/24/2021 2:35:12 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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How does one find someone certified as you in another state?

Just look up auto repair in the yellow pages. If you're in a populated area of a southern state, your yellow pages might have a section for auto air conditioning. Problem is, most will be set up for R134a and won't want to pull R12 through it. You might find a classic car specialist that is still set up for R12. I have two recovery machines and two recovery tanks. One of each for R12 and one of each for 134a.

55 posted on 09/24/2021 2:45:53 PM PDT by Pollard (Some people like to argue just to argue.)
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To: Pollard

Yes-— that is wonderful. Have some friends who are Classic Car cruizers-— who fundraise for needy kids/cancer patients. Bet they have the ability or know who can.

The camper is a time machine. 22.5 real miles, OEM plug wires and plugs... and compression at spec on all cylinders, no wear at all. The auto a/c is the issue, so will check as you suggest. I do not want someone doing a conversion if all it needs is a new compressor that can handle R-12, with the correct oils.

Just one experience in the big ole world. Wish you were “down South” MO is fortunate to have you.


56 posted on 09/24/2021 2:50:33 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: CedarDave

Propane makes A very good refrigerant the problem is it’s extremely flammable.💥


57 posted on 10/01/2021 9:59:59 AM PDT by BiteYourSelf ( Earth first we'll strip mine the other planets later.)
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