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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates)November 1-2, 2003
Various | November 1, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/01/2003 7:37:41 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 2 - November 1-2, 2003)

Link back to thread 2 - October 30-31)

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Contained in thread 2:

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Contact information for the ACLJ, link for Chris Ferrara's legal brief, Senate Amendment to Terri's Bill, Ken Connor of the Family Research Council joins fight for Terri's Law, contact information for law enforcement and Judge Demers, Republic's impassioned letter to Judge Demers, Schiavo's claim that Terri's surgery was a success, link to CBN interview with the Schindlers (Oct 31), state's medical directors come out against Terri's Law, more links to testimony and legal debate, short bio on Judge Demers, update from the vigil and a doctor's exam report on Terri from 1990. Wacky Sam has also graciously offered to provide server space for documents to be kept to prevent their loss form other sources.

There is also a lot of discussion and links dealing with the seeming network of connnections between the girlfriend, Jodi, various insurance business links and possibly Terri's new doctor. In addition, several questions are addressed regarding Michael Schiavo's hiding of assets and tricks that may have been employed to throw off investigative efforts. Some of the FReepers have been doing their homework on the unholy alliances in the case. Let's keep working to connect the dots and expose the results. Also contained in thread 2 is some of Schiavo's litigious history, a bit more information on George Felos and more on Jay Wolfson. Some information on the doctors involved in Terri's case can be found on this thread as well. Since there are so many posts and links to the above mentioned topics, the best thing to do is to browse the thread.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

Thanks again to everyone for all your hard work.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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Terri's Parents Want Their Voice Heard in Life-or-Death Case

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART1 (Listed In Previous List, but added here to have both parts together)

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART 2

Michael Challenges Terri's Law, Wants Guardian Appointment Delayed

An Execution In Florida — Terri Schiavo On Death Row

TERRI SCHIAVO: Woman's plight raises questions

Majority Would Remove Schiavo's Feeding Tube (Fox News)

Awareness Seen in Vegetative Patients

Professor Appointed to Probe Schiavo Case

Ending Life Humanely (Ed Koch on Terri Schiavo)


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To: maestro
demonstrate, target Send info to these folks, set up meetings with these folks.

It is counterproductive to use political activism against individuals that are not elected politicians. If we want people's help, we must treat them with respect.

Let's focus on getting the facts out to those in control.

51 posted on 11/01/2003 11:53:04 AM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: sweetliberty
This is an example of the doublethink Terri is up against. Black is now white and grey don't matter. I'm trying to get a sense of how things are shaping up outside this forum. Appears to me to be about 5 in favor of starving Terri (eliminating her because she's a drag now) versus 3 for keeping her alive, and that's being optimistic. The actual figures may be worse.

Posted by LadyLibra on another forum in response to "looks to me like the woman is a saint (Jodi) to put up with all of this.":

"Oh, you mean his mistress, his (deleted)? The one he flaunts around dispicably everywhere and says she is sympatetic to her man's WIFE'S plight? Did you take the brown acid? The one who can't wait to see that woman STARVE to death for her happiness to continue uninterrupted now? I don't care how out of it you are, you try starving yourself for a few days,I guarentee you wouldn't make it to day 4 without breaking because of the physical and mental pain that causes. That is a form of torture.

"But, sure, the (deleted) a saint to put up with Teri's s***.

"She deserves a (f-word deleted) bleeding heart medal."

Hope I didn't let any bad language slip through here.

52 posted on 11/01/2003 11:54:56 AM PST by Aliska
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To: ValerieUSA
Vigils are good. It is good to come together in the Lord's name and pray for folks in front of their nursing homes and particularly in front of their hospices.
53 posted on 11/01/2003 11:55:16 AM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: krunkygirl
Thank you so much for posting these links. It makes it so much faster and easier to get things done.


Your welcome...

I am so pleased to see everybody working together. Whatever we can do to lighten the load of our fellow man.

Reminds me of the song.."He aint't heavy he's my brother" Brings tears to my eyes when my 9 yr.old sings it to his 4 yr. old disabled brother.

"He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother"

The road is long, with many a winding turn
That leads us to who knows where, who knows where
But I'm strong, strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy - he's my brother

So on we go, his welfare is my concern
No burden is he to bare, we'll get there
For I know he would not encumber me
He ain't heavy - he's my brother

If I'm laden at all, I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart isn't filled with gladness of love for one another
It's a long long road from which there is no return
While we're on our way to there, why not share
And the load, it doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy - he's my brother
He ain't heavy - he's my brother, he's my brother, he's my brother


54 posted on 11/01/2003 11:55:24 AM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave (Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:)
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To: Aliska
Understand that general reaction and polls are based on misinformation.

That is why it is critical that we all get as much FACTUAL information as possible out to several reporters/newscasters/talk show hosts as possible.
55 posted on 11/01/2003 11:58:44 AM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: Aliska
I don't see any language problems in your post. It is appearing that once again an issue of right and wrong, good and evil, has been taken and cast into the political frame of reference "death = good; life = bad." The demons of hell have enjoined the liberal left to rally a victory for hell.
56 posted on 11/01/2003 12:02:41 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: MarMema
HI,
I hate to ask a favor, with everyone busy working together so hard to tackle this problem, but I need the quote about "when they came for the Jews, nobody came, when they came for the Christians, etc", something to that effect about not geting involved. I mangled the beginning of it, even.
Sorry I don't know what to search for, since the beginnning of this quote is inaccurate, but I think it is so significant about involvement, a good answer to those who call us the "do-gooders sticking thier noses in business not their own!!!".
If anyone has that quote, I would papreciate it much!
Thanks.
57 posted on 11/01/2003 12:04:08 PM PST by oreolady (Have you reviewed your living will lately?)
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To: iowamomforfreedom
Budge, I couldn't find a link under the photo that said "Get Origional Uploaded Photo".

Hmmmm...Tell you what, send me your e-mail via FReep-mail, I'll send you the large one, if you wish.

58 posted on 11/01/2003 12:05:47 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: freeparoundtheclock
Juan, current status of a ribbon campaign? Is it on? Please advise at your convenience on Saturday's Daily Terri thread.
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I need some help formulating the second page. I want the second page so that when you click on the banner of Terri Schindler Life Ribbon Campaign it will take you to another page that will have the code that people can insert on their webpages, e-mails, etc. I would also like to stipulate actions such as educating the public, media, etc. through info provided on the 2nd or subsequent pages anent Terri etc. also actions of getting Terri's plight in the public eye, continued contacting of people of reknown and President, Ashcroft and reps, etc. I would also on the second page include a link that goes to terrisfight.org, etc.

Here is a tentative first page..

http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm

Please e-mail to me at pc93@bellsouth.net any suggestions, etc. or if you would like to participate in helping me.

I need help but will try to formulate it myself in regards to the 2nd page when you click on the Campaign link.
59 posted on 11/01/2003 12:11:35 PM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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To: oreolady
"First They Came for the Jews" By Pastor Niemoller. First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. ...
60 posted on 11/01/2003 12:12:18 PM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: TaxRelief
Thanks, but how do I get the rest of it?
61 posted on 11/01/2003 12:17:22 PM PST by oreolady (Have you reviewed your living will lately?)
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To: TaxRelief
Understand that general reaction and polls are based on misinformation.

To a certain extent, yes. Still they believed the husband and trash the family. I can't help wondering if a lot of this is based on their putting themselves in his shoes and not wanting themselves to be saddled with a useless spouse. I'm only human myself and at some point would get burnout. The problem is that regardless of your personal stake, you must still do your best to do the right thing imo. That's is what separates the sheep from the goats, not feelings. To me, doing the "right" thing doesn't involve years later "remembering" and starvation, especially of an individual who has not being diagnosed as terminal. In a worst case scenario, if Terri is truly PVS (which doesn't appear to be the case to me), that still doesn't excuse termination by deliberate starvation.

That is why it is critical that we all get as much FACTUAL information as possible out to several reporters/newscasters/talk show hosts as possible.

That is helpful, providing the factual information to get out are actual facts. We aren't privy to a lot of the facts. What I'm seeing is that people are no longer concerned with the facts. They react viscerally (hatred for the Bush brothers using Terri as their catalyst) and want to get on to the next show.

Even facts don't dissuade most people. Their minds are made up. As is mine, of couse, mainly because of the inconsistencies in the case. The bottom line for me is that no matter who has custody of a person, they ought not to be starved to death when we have the means to prevent it, especially on the basis of belated remembering and biassed "testimony".

62 posted on 11/01/2003 12:25:43 PM PST by Aliska
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To: oreolady
http://www.serendipity.li/cda/niemoll.html

Pastor Niemoller
63 posted on 11/01/2003 12:29:08 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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To: oreolady
Here's a link to it, just found it on google.

First They Came for the Jews

64 posted on 11/01/2003 12:30:16 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Aliska
>>...grey don't matter.

I resemble that remark!!
65 posted on 11/01/2003 12:30:26 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter
I resemble that remark!!

hehe. Knew ya would :-). Just a play on words.

66 posted on 11/01/2003 12:34:42 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Saundra Duffy
I just wish the media mouths would quit parroting the
words "in a coma", "vegetative". If a lot of people
would write short letters to the editors of their
local papers, maybe it would help counteract this lie
that just keeps being repeated by the media mouths.
67 posted on 11/01/2003 12:34:43 PM PST by Twinkie
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To: sweetliberty
I don't see any language problems in your post.

Good. It read a lot better with the colorful language left in :-).

68 posted on 11/01/2003 12:38:28 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; texasbluebell
Thanks, I, too, searched google, didn't think it would find a quote, but now I feel sheepish..............
69 posted on 11/01/2003 12:42:53 PM PST by oreolady (Have you reviewed your living will lately?)
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To: Aliska
I can't help wondering if a lot of this is based on their putting themselves in his shoes and not wanting themselves to be saddled with a useless spouse. I'm only human myself and at some point would get burnout.

Yes, but but would you react to such burnout by divorcing your spouse, or by killing your spouse?

By the time Michael won the malpractice award, more three years had elapsed since Terri's collapse. Consequently, he would have been eligible for a divorce. I don't think one would have been denied him, and Terri's trust fund would likely obviate the need for alimony. Of course, then he wouldn't be able to pocket Terri's trust fund himself, but he claims this isn't about money.

70 posted on 11/01/2003 12:43:38 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Aliska
Oh, I'm sure we all filled in the blanks quite nicely.
71 posted on 11/01/2003 12:44:18 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: oreolady; All

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew

Then they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the gypsies and I did not speak out because I was not a gypsy

Then they came for the Catholics and I did not speak out because I was not a Catholic.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.

by Pastor Martin Niemoller


Seeking answers in case of Terri Schiavo - Reader Opinions

Not artificial to supply food

By Wesley J. Smith, Oakland, Calif.

Florida Today's editorial headlined "Second thoughts" about the Terri Schiavo case, states that she has "been kept alive artificially."

I am not sure what that means. But if her life-sustaining medical treatment is "artificial," then so too is it artificial for the diabetic to receive insulin.

But no editorial writer would ever use the term "artificial" in that context to argue against treatment for diabetics.

I can only infer then, that the intent was to demean the value of Schiavo's life and minimize the wrongness of dehydrating and starving her to death.

72 posted on 11/01/2003 12:46:11 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: oreolady
No need to feel sheepish! I wasn't sure it would work either, but it seems to be a pretty good search engine.

73 posted on 11/01/2003 12:47:23 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: supercat
Yes, but but would you react to such burnout by divorcing your spouse,

Probably not but I might. Where I am now with my religious beliefs, I would not feel free to remarry nor having a new relationship involving sex.

or by killing your spouse?

I would like to think I would never do such a thing, no matter how badly I wanted to be free. I can't deny that I would probably have a strong desire for deliverance though, but not through my own hand or actions. That's what living by faith encompasses, doing the right thing when we desire another, quicker outcome.

74 posted on 11/01/2003 12:59:26 PM PST by Aliska
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To: sweetliberty; All
Just saw this article and wondered if the Prudential settlement was under Terri and Michael's homeowner's insurance?

Prudential to drop some policies

Homeowners told to shop for new coverage

This article was written re: natural disasters but if the Schiavos had homeowners insurance at the time of Terri's 'collapse' - which occurred in their home - wouldn't her initial medical bills have been covered, up to a point?

75 posted on 11/01/2003 1:02:21 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo
" if the Schiavos had homeowners insurance at the time of Terri's 'collapse' - which occurred in their home - wouldn't her initial medical bills have been covered, up to a point?"

I wouldn't know. I just don't know enough about the insurance business operates.

76 posted on 11/01/2003 1:05:15 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Aliska; All
Drake: Disabled are fearful: Who will be next?

By Stephen Drake

Saturday, November 1, 2003

Bob and Mary Schindler consistently refer to their daughter, Terri, as a disabled person. They're right. Although most newspapers are covering this story as an "end of life" or "right to life" issue, what ultimately happens to Terri Schiavo will affect countless other people with disabilities in this country.

Like many disabled people, Terri Schiavo is unable to tell us what future she prefers. She left nothing saying she preferred starvation to living with a disability. She never signed a legal document designating her husband as her surrogate in the event she became unable to communicate.

Despite this, media commentary is dominated by bioethicists and "end of life" experts telling us she should be left to die and explaining how "peaceful" starvation is as a way to die. To hear them tell it, Schiavo has no meaningful life. She can't talk, they say, she can't eat on her own, can't walk and has no control over her bowels or bladder.

Thousands of people with disabilities across the United States are watching the case anxiously. In fact, 12 national disability groups have filed "friend of the court" briefs in opposition to the efforts to starve Schiavo. Obviously, we want to know how all those commenting in this case feel about the lives of people with Down's syndrome, autism, Alzheimer's and other disabilities. Are they next for death through starvation? It's not so farfetched.

I was born brain-damaged as a result of a forceps delivery. The doctor told my parents I would be a "vegetable" for the rest of my life -- the same word now being used for Schiavo -- and that the best thing would be for nature to take its course. They refused. Although I had a lot of health problems, surgeries and pain as a child, I went on to lead a happy life.

Up until the mid-1980s, U.S. pediatrics journals routinely published reports on the selection criteria used to determine which disabled infants born in hospitals would be left to die.

One of the most notorious incidents involved a team at Oklahoma Children's Hospital in the late 1970s that used a "quality of life" formula for children born with spina bifida that factored in the parents' economic and educational level. Poor and uneducated parents and those on public assistance were more frequently advised to not treat their children. Twenty-four babies with spina bifida died, mostly from untreated infections. Not one person on the medical team was charged with a crime.

About 20 years ago, a hospital staff in Indiana was starving an infant with Down's syndrome. A whistle-blower alerted authorities, and the district attorney went to court to order hydration. The judge refused. Public comment supported the idea that "difficult" decisions like starving disabled infants were best left to the privacy of doctor-parent consultation.

In spite of that, enough of the public was sufficiently outraged to create a stir that cut across the political spectrum in Washington. As a result, congressional legislation was drafted to prevent medical killings of disabled infants.

The legislation, which ultimately was passed, was decried by bioethicists, physicians and others as an attack on both the medical profession and the privacy of family decisions. As a result of the passage of the law, though, more of us avoided getting killed in hospital nurseries through denial of treatment.

Guardianship -- which in this case was granted to Schiavo's husband by the courts -- has to have limits, especially when the stakes are the very lives of the people under guardians' power. It's important to remember that guardians have power over people, not property, and those people still have rights.

Drake is the research analyst of Not Dead Yet, a national disability rights group

77 posted on 11/01/2003 1:07:34 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Aliska
People are concerned with facts, but only if they do not feel that their point of view is being ignored during the dissemination of those facts.

Their underlying belief is that they will lose their own personal right to reject extreme medical intervention. They instantly see themselves in some sort of capsule with tubes and wires connecting them to central controls and pipes in a huge space filled with bodies that are also being held in suspended animation. They see themselves forced to care for a parent with dementia or terminal cancer for an endless amount of time. Or they question their own judgement about the DNR they enforced when a family member was at hospice.

These are very real, very valid emotions. You are absolutely right.

This type of situation is different, though. There is some sort of corruption involved somewhere that actually will do more to make their fears come true than anything the pro-life movement would be able do.

When a few bad guys start taking a good system and using it for their own personal gain, the natural result is increased government intervention and red tape.

We need to help them transfer their fear of the prolife movement to a fear of corruption. We also need to help them realize that plenty of people who consider themselves pro-life also believe in DNR's, etc. Removing food and water is not the same thing as rejection chemotherapy.

And as you say, we don't have enough solid proof yet to be "beyond reasonable doubt". We have presented a tremendous number of inconsistencies and we are digging for lies and motivation. But do need to find as much of the truth as possible. In doing so, others may also be saved.

78 posted on 11/01/2003 1:12:00 PM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: Ciexyz
"It's a step in the right direction for the judge to take the guardianship FROM the HINO"

But he hasn't. The HINO is still calling the shots. The GAL is just a representative who offers an opinion in court and it seems that even the court is arrogantly operating on the suppostion that Terri's Law will be overturned on Constitutional grounds. As I see it, the most important Contitutional issue here is the right to life. If defending the most fundamental principle of the Constitution is deemed "unconstitutional," we might as well throw the document away, because it has lost all real meaning anyway.

79 posted on 11/01/2003 1:16:20 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: TaxRelief
"Since this is apparently a low priority for most of them, I suggest we provide them with research and links. (Yea, that means do their job for them.)"

I thought that was what we'd been doing all along!

80 posted on 11/01/2003 1:21:28 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty; All
Can it be argued that a legal precedent HAS been established (to uphold Terri's Law) in the earlier case of congressional/legislative intervention to prevent starvation and non-intervention of Downs syndrome infants? It looks that way to me!

see article in post 77

"About 20 years ago, a hospital staff in Indiana was starving an infant with Down's syndrome. A whistle-blower alerted authorities, and the district attorney went to court to order hydration. The judge refused. Public comment supported the idea that "difficult" decisions like starving disabled infants were best left to the privacy of doctor-parent consultation.

"In spite of that, enough of the public was sufficiently outraged to create a stir that cut across the political spectrum in Washington. As a result, congressional legislation was drafted to prevent medical killings of disabled infants.

"The legislation, which ultimately was passed, was decried by bioethicists, physicians and others as an attack on both the medical profession and the privacy of family decisions. As a result of the passage of the law, though, more of us avoided getting killed in hospital nurseries through denial of treatment."

81 posted on 11/01/2003 1:24:45 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Orlando
"Another women beater, wow ! Where's N.O.W ?"

Busy drafting marriage proposals to death row inmates.

82 posted on 11/01/2003 1:25:35 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: msmagoo; aristeides
Did the statute deal specifically with infants? I am appalled that murder is considered a "privacy" matter between family members. What's next? We take a dislike to a the crazy aunt or the drunken cousin and make a "private" family decision to put them out of our their misery? Of course, I guess it should come as no big surprise. We knew this was the direction we were heading once abortion was made legal. We've been rapidly deteriorating as a society ever since. God will not be mocked. We are reaping what we have sown.

Aristeides, see post #81. Does this have merit you think?

83 posted on 11/01/2003 1:35:11 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: freeparoundtheclock
I tried what I could on my PhotoDeluxe software but was not able to improve it. So sorry. :O(

84 posted on 11/01/2003 1:37:07 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: pc93
Might I respectfully make a suggestion that you use higher contrast between the background color and the font color. Even with the larger font size, I am finding it very difficult to read the black on dark red, even with my glasses, and my vision isn't THAT bad.
85 posted on 11/01/2003 1:42:01 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: msmagoo
"about the insurance business operates" should read: "about HOW the insurance business operates"

My typos are becoming abominable of late!

86 posted on 11/01/2003 1:48:16 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: msmagoo
Isn't it ironic that the same liberal idealogy that so devalues the family and the sanctity of marriage, uses the legal contract of marriage as justification for giving the decision making power over a disabled woman to someone with clear conflicts of interests who refers to another woman and her children as his "family?" This man has so blatantly violated the covenant of marriage before God that he long ago lost the right to call himself Terri's husband. I would bet that if she could, Terri would agree.
87 posted on 11/01/2003 1:56:47 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Bump for a GREAT thread! I really appreciate all the work you all are doing on this - please, everybody, keep praying for Terri...
88 posted on 11/01/2003 1:57:30 PM PST by dandelion
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To: sweetliberty
Bump for a GREAT thread! I really appreciate all the work you all are doing on this - please, everybody, keep praying for Terri...
89 posted on 11/01/2003 1:57:30 PM PST by dandelion
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To: sweetliberty

Yes, that statute was enacted to protect infants, specifically those born with disabilities - but I see a parallel between what Jeb Bush and the Florida lawmakers did to protect Terri and others like her and what was done to protect those disabled babies. Also, that law was passed to remedy the [lawful but unfair] taking of life by doctors & courts, which may set a precedent that can be used to uphold the constitutionality of Terri's Law.

As the excellent Drake article states:

"Guardianship -- which in this case was granted to Schiavo's husband by the courts -- has to have limits, especially when the stakes are the very lives of the people under guardians' power. It's important to remember that guardians have power over people, not property, and those people still have rights."




90 posted on 11/01/2003 2:00:49 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: sweetliberty
Re: the Prudential settlement - others have speculated that Terri was working for Prudential at the time of her 'collapse' and her medical bills were covered through her employer's insurance. Whether it was homeowner's or employee insurance - Michael was not investigated by police for possible criminal wrongdoing. Thus he had a 'leg up' when he went forward with the malpractice suit against the doctors...having already been 'cleared' by virtue of Prudential's payouts. Just another little 'loophole' that worked in his favor...
91 posted on 11/01/2003 2:01:47 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: sweetliberty
I don't see how, as a Catholic, Terri would ever approve of Michael and Jody having two kids while Michael is still married to Terri!

Is this another "right to privacy" (gag) issue that Judge Greer felt was irrelevent?!

Any impartial, unbiased guardian appointed to look out for Terri's interests would be in court demanding a divorce - I hope the new guardian takes Michael's blatant infidelity into consideration when reviewing the case. How can it be deemed irrelevent when Michael's guardianship is contested? It's evidence of his conflict of interest, for crying out loud!

92 posted on 11/01/2003 2:08:41 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: TaxRelief
I guess I understand the point you're trying to make, but I just cannot see why it is so hard for people to comprehend that this case is different. This isn't about someone who is terminally ill being sustained by heroic means. It is about someone about whom even the medical professionals cannot agree on her potential for rehabilitation. We are talking about a case where information has been covered up or destroyed and even scratching the surface yields questions that should be enough to cause people to back off, preferring to err on the side of caution.

As has been said so many times before, this is not about the right to die a natural death. Terri is not dying. It is about the "right to kill." I will reiterate that we are not allowed to kill criminals in such a cruel way. We cannot even make the "decision" to kill our pets in such a way, for it would be deemed cruelty, and yet a woman whose only crime is not being able to communicate clearly, can be sentenced to a cruel death at the hand of her "husband" with the blessing of the court. It takes a special kind of mental contortionist to be able to reach the conclusion, even with a minimum of information, that this is acceptable. Either that, or a complete lack of conscience.

93 posted on 11/01/2003 2:11:09 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Thank You Sweet Liberty for the wonderful job you are doing on the threads and keeping us all updated!!!

MCD
94 posted on 11/01/2003 2:11:51 PM PST by MSCASEY
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To: sweetliberty
This is a dangerous abuse of power by the governor and the Florida lawmakers, and it should concern everyone," ACLU spokeswoman Alessandra Soler Meetze said. "It's an extremely frightening prospect when the governor negates a court decision . . . simply because he disagrees with the outcome.

I think it is even more frightening that the
Florida ACLU gave an award to Gerald Kogan
the former Chief Justice of the Florida State Supreme court
who thinks there is no difference between


95 posted on 11/01/2003 2:14:27 PM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: MSCASEY
Glad to do what I can. All I'm really doing is providing the framework. It is everybody's contributions that make it a valuable resource.
96 posted on 11/01/2003 2:15:52 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Mo1; null and void
idealogy = "ideology"

Arghhhh!!!!

This is YOUR fault! It just HAS to be. I never used to make so many mistakes. And to my knowledge there is no cure. Thanks a lot!

97 posted on 11/01/2003 2:20:51 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave
And the load, it doesn't weigh me down at all


Schiavo would have changed this line: And the load, it's too heavy . ... so (s)he must die."
98 posted on 11/01/2003 2:26:14 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: msmagoo
I hope the new guardian takes Michael's blatant infidelity into consideration when reviewing the case.

Absolutely not a chance of that happening. This "bioethicist" is clintoid through and through. He will have ZERO sympathy for Terri -- he has already said as much. It's just that Demers is ALSO "too blind to see."
99 posted on 11/01/2003 2:29:41 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: supercat
He "can't" divorce her, for he would have to turn over half his assets to her -- assets acquired during "their marriage." So it is about money -- no divorce is financially possible for Schiavo. Why can't the blind Americans see?
100 posted on 11/01/2003 2:31:24 PM PST by Theodore R.
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