Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 8 -10

Various | November 7, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

TERRI'S FIGHT (Thread 6 - November 8-10, 2003) (Link back to thread 5 - Nov. 5-7)

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Contained in Thread 4:

Link to article on Michael Schiavo from hometown newspaper, information on death by starvation and dehydration, information on hospice eligibility and hospice and medicare/medicaid fraud, e-mail address for Judge Greer, transcript of Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, Terri's address at the hospice and the address for the foundation, to send cards for Terri's birthday (December 3), transcript of O'Reilly interview with Kate Adamson, e-mail addresses for Florida legislature, transcript of Abrams Report interview with George Felos and Pam Anderson, transcription of Terri's bone scan, legalese for dummies version of Gov. Bush's motion to dismiss Sciavo's suit against the Constitutionality of Terri's Law, link to FatherOfLiberty's research on HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy), links to ACLJ involvement in Schiavo case and Father Rob Johansen's daily update.

There are four other relevant posts that I want to highlight here in case anyone missed them or didn't get pinged. These are a general Terri thread troll alert, an especially thoughtful post about the sincere effort that FReepers are making in Terri's behalf, the Father's Love Letter , and remarks made by Jim Robinson on this issue and reposted here by lonevoice.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

There was a tremendous amount of information posted on the previous thread. For anyone who hasn't been following the daily threads, links to relevant posts and information from the previous thread are contained in the body of the present one. I have found that very helpful in trying to find something later. You people are doing a spectacular job of getting information out and also in helping to keep all of us updated here. What a great joint effort. This fight, to me, illustrates beautifully what Free Republic is about and what it means to be a FReeper. Way to go FRiends. Keep up the good work!

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Latest threads On Terri's Case

Pro-Life Group Questions 'Quality of Life' Premise in Schiavo Case

Judge Lets Parents Challenge Custody of Terri Schiavo

Dean blasts governor over Schiavo case

Husband Must Defend His Guardianship of Terri Schiavo

Judge Bans Terri Schiavo's Parents From Legal Battle

Dean 'Appalled' That Florida Lawmakers Saved Schiavo

A Woman's Life Versus an Inept Press (Nat Hentoff on Terri Schiavo

Terri Schiavo Case: Gov. Bush Asks To Meet New Guardian

Terri Schiavo Case: Creditable Witnesses & the 1st Guardian

Judge Rejects Bush Effort in Schiavo Case

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[fly_so_free]

Nothing in your posts adresses the problems with Terri's case. The first is: Should a judge be able to order the execution of a citizen by starvation/dehydration based solely on hear-say evidence? Especially, when there is conflicting eveidence from family members and friends, that it is NOT the persons wish to be executed? (and that person giving hear-say evidence stands to gain from her death, and has tons of conflicts of interest himself)?

The other problem, is : Do we want to set up a precedent where the disabled have to prove that they are worhty of life?

Your posts show that the lawyers are all talking about weather/if Terri can recover at all, or how much can she recover. My question is, even if she can only make a partial recovery, or even no recovery at all- does that give a judge the right to kill her? Or others like her , because they are disabled? Especially when there is NO WRITTEN LIVING WILL and the only given evidence is HEAR-SAY from the guardian ?

(I have worked with patients/children with disabilities similar to Terri's. One thing I've noticed is that you really don't know how much a person can recover until you try working with them. I've seen improvement over and over again in people that were said by "the doctors" to not be capable of it. The key was that someone was working with them, doing therapy, providing stimulation exc....According to what I've read, MS has gone out of his way to deny Terri any kind of therapy , stimulation. ( Neglect coud be included i.e. her teeth were not brushed , she has severe contractures-no Range of Motion excercises done). Your previous post, where the the parents had to make a huge effort to get Terri to respond on the video is because- No one has worked with her for years, but please note: she still does respond, however long it takes to get there.)

But, back to the previous question PLEASE GO HERE

I could also mention the pattern of viciuosness on the part of the HINO, wich culminted in him denying her Last Rites when she was dying of the court ordered starvation..... The preceeding is my opinion yadda yadda yadda

[nicmarlo]

Never heard of God giving people special powers to do evil.

Well, what about the terrorists? They believe they have been elected by God to murder. (Of course, they god they are referring to is not God, the Creator.)

[Coral Snake]

This is my forst post since getting into trouble over that pic a couple of days ago.
It is not neccessarily his activities in the South, (as bad as some think they are) that made me choose Sherman as a type two troll identifier. It was his more his rather genicidal approach as commanding General in the wars with the Native Americans after the Civil war that led me to use him for this purpose.

[daylate-dollarshort]

"FACT: The court shall authorize the expenditure and payment of the reasonable fees of the independent physician appointed by the court and all reasonable diagnostic tests. We anticipate that the physicians will want to obtain current EEG readings as well as brain scans performed using current technology. They may need to obtain diagnostic results from the tests typically given at a general physical"

Ok...where do the directions limit the physicians to only the diagnostic tests???

"In order to obtain the best available medical evaluation and because at least one of the Schindlers’ experts in his affidavit has accused the treating physicians of malpractice, we further conclude that the trial court should appoint a new independent physician to examine and evaluate Mrs. Schiavo’s current condition. This physician should not be one of the doctors who has already provided testimony or an affidavit in this case and should be independent of those physicians and without any prior involvement with this family. If possible, this new physician should be very experienced in the treatment of brain damage and in the diagnosis and treatment of persistent vegetative state. This new physician should be board-certified in neurology or neurosurgery. We instruct lead counsel in the trial court for both parties to locate and agree upon the selection of this new physician. In the event that counsel are unable to stipulate to the selection of a new physician for the purposes of this independent examination, the trial court shall make the selection.

'Once the Schindlers and Mr. Schiavo have each designated their two physicians and the independent physician has been selected, the physicians shall have the opportunity to examine Mrs. Schiavo. The court shall authorize the expenditure and payment of the reasonable fees of the independent physician appointed by the court and all reasonable diagnostic tests. We anticipate that the physicians will want to obtain current EEG readings as well as brain scans performed using current technology. They may need to obtain diagnostic results from the tests typically given at a general physical. In the event that the doctors disagree upon the necessary tests or the guardian objects to a test on grounds that it may be too invasive or harmful to Mrs. Schiavo, the trial court will need to resolve the dispute. We recommend to the trial court that all five designated physicians file written reports with the trial court, and that the court then schedule an evidentiary hearing to resolve this matter".

By the way- your reliance on the obvious typo "physical" instead of "general" really reveals ignorance on your part unless of course you really believe that a general physical includes "brain scans performed using current technology".

As to your quote that "Judge Greer will finally allow Terri to have a full medical examination in February 2002." please post your cite. If you do work for an attorney, he must do real estate closings, otherwise you would know that the appellate court ordered the medical exams and Greer was without power to ignore that court's order on remand.

[nicmarlo]

As Litigation as Spiritual Practice demonstrates, Mr. Felos is an egomaniacal visionary bent on death as the ultimate demonstration of his messianic powers. Judging from this book, Felos appears to be clinically delusional.

Very good!

[TaxRelief]

Aren't you wearing yourself out?

[nicmarlo]

where do the directions limit the physicians to only the diagnostic tests

Your lack of intelligence and understanding has now been outed. Begone, troll.

[Krodg]

I'm pretty dense, so I only partly understand what you're saying...LOL. Why would a person running a legitimate business want to file for a fictitious (I think I got it right this time)name?

I'm getting very confused here

there is no fictitious filing for Jerger & Centonze (here Michael is listed but not Jodi...different name)....there is a filing for John Centonze called 'Madd Cravings' (different address) and a listing for Madd Italian Deli with the same address listed for the business (different owner with his address).

[Dante3]

Felos seems like a dangerous nut case, perhaps another Jim Jones, who has a conflict of interest.

I just looked him up in Who's Who, 2003 (his bio also appears in Who's Who in American Law, 7th ed & 11th ed). It mentions:
Chmn bd. dirs. Hospice of Fla. Suncoast, 96-98
Am.-Hellenic Ednl. Progressive Assn. (gov. 1986)
legal advisor Soc. for Right to Die, 1992
apparently there is more than one Felos since he is listed as ptnr. Felos & Felos
wife Constance M. Felos and 1 child Alexander James

[nicmarlo]

Here, I found this for California requirements (of course, I don't know if Florida is exactly the same): Fictitious Business Names

Q. Fictitious business names are so confusing. Who needs one? A. In a prior question regarding business permits we mentioned the State of California has a website www.calgold.ca.gov which is easy to use and contains lots of useful information regarding permits and business names. However, although this site mentions who to contact for fictitious business name filings it is not clear on who needs to file for one. What seems like a simple question can be a little complicated. If you are using your name (for example - Jacobs and Gregory Auto Parts) you do not need to file a fictitious business name statement because you are actually using your name in the business. If you choose a name that implies there are other partners who are not named (for example - Jacobs & Daughters Auto Parts or Gregory and Associates Auto Parts) you DO need to file a fictitious business name statement. If Robert Smith were to buy Jacobs and Gregory Auto Parts and wants to keep using the name he would need to file a fictitious business name statement. If Robert Smith expanded the business to a neighboring county he would have to file a fictitious business name statement there in the new county as well....

[nicmarlo]

Fictitious Business Names

Sorry, I messed that link up.

[sweetliberty]

I don't know if this thread has been linked here yet or not.

Schiavo tapes: snippets, then not much

[Dante3]

Good idea to freep the book.

[nicmarlo]

Here's something on FL law:

NOTE: Effective June 9, 2001, the 2001 Florida Legislature amended the Florida fictitious name law so that publishing notice in a newspaper is no longer required. The following article was written before this new law took effect. Laws of Florida, Chapter 2001-200, Section 1, adds subsection (6) to Florida Statutes Section 15.16 to read as follows:

"(6) Notwithstanding s. 865.09(3)(d), the Department of State may waive the requirement that a person advertise the intention to register a fictitious name if the department indexes the fictitious name registration in a central database available to the public on the Internet."
http://www.jamesmartinpa.com/flfict.htm

[nicmarlo]

LOL, I think it might be, but who knows where it is? : )

[daylate-dollarshort]

You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. I would suggest to you however, that there is scant evidence at best that Terri shows any genuine cognitive response to the Schlindlers or anything or anyone else. Further, to describe this as an "execution" is simply unproductive rhetoric designed to inflame the issue.

The damage to Terri's cerebral cortex is global and consists of dead tissue. That is not hearsay nor is it based upon hearsay evidence. The scans themselves are in evidence. You state that you work with children with "disabilities similar to Terri's". Your work with disabled children is admirable but how many do you work with that do not have a cerebral cortex? None. And how many patients do you know that have recovered from a global destruction of the cerebral cortex? Again, none.

As to your link to the Holocaust, no one is advocating anything even closely resembling that.

[sweetliberty]

Yes, Constance is his wife, also an attorney, apparently as much of a whackjob as he is....and has also been involved in this case. Things are so nice and cozy in Pinellas County....unless you happen to be the subject of a termination plan an exit protocol that is.

[nicmarlo]

And here's one last one, Krodg: A fictitious name is any name under which a person transacts business in the state other than his legal name.

http://www.amerilawyer.com/dba.htm

[sweetliberty]

Time to work on a new thread. *Sigh*

[nicmarlo]

Before you go, check your FReepmail! And goodnight, unless you come back. Thanks for all your hard work on these threads, sweetliberty!!!