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Bush Immigration Plan Borders on Treason
Chuck Baldwin Ministries ^ | 01-09-04 | Baldwin, Chuck

Posted on 01/08/2004 4:26:33 PM PST by Theodore R.

Bush Immigration Plan Borders On Treason

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon

January 9, 2003 President George W. Bush wants to give some eight to ten million illegal aliens, most of them from Mexico, legal status. The plan would legalize these aliens as "temporary workers," which would allow them to work freely in the United States without fear of deportation. The plan is so disastrous to our country's well being and so fraught with potential risk to our country's security that the plan should be regarded as bordering treason!

Already, more than ten percent of Mexico's population is living illegally in the United States. If Bush's plan is actually implemented, that percentage would skyrocket. Our southern border is already an open sieve, as millions of Mexicans pour into our country. Bush's amnesty program (and that's exactly what it is, Bush's word games notwithstanding) would only be seen as a green light for millions more to invade our nation.

The financial drain on American taxpayers by these criminals is incalculable. Taxpayers will be paying for their food, health care, Social Security benefits, and education, plus all of the above for their dependents, from now on. Not to mention, the cost of law enforcement and loss of property due to the criminal conduct of these invaders.

Bush's amnesty plan is also a serious slap in the face to those would-be immigrants who are trying to migrate to America legally. There are thousands of decent, hard working people from around the world who are seeking entrance into the United States. Some of these are seeking political asylum. Some are fleeing persecution. Whatever their reasons, they are following the rules and obeying the laws. Now, they must wait and watch as President Bush pushes criminals to the front of the line.

Furthermore, to grant illegal aliens legal status jeopardizes the security of the United States and makes us more vulnerable to terrorism. The very fact that an illegal alien is here proves that he or she cares nothing for America's laws. It demonstrates an intrinsic callousness that dare not be ignored.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-CO, rightly said that Bush's plan is "dangerous and unworkable." Investigative Journalist Jon Dougherty also predicts that "sustained high immigration levels from south of the border will continue to pose economic, labor, security, and criminal threats to the United States."

Giving illegal aliens and the corrupt American companies that knowingly accommodate them legitimacy is tantamount to the United States legalizing Al Capone's, or any other gangster's, "underground" enterprises. It is repulsive, disgusting, and unconscionable!

Beyond that, the reason President Bush is attempting to legalize millions of illegal Mexicans seems nothing at all but an undisguised ploy to pick up votes for his reelection. Therefore, it should be obvious to all Americans that this president is willing and eager to put America's future largely in the hands of foreign criminals. Every American should give that thought serious deliberation!

© Chuck Baldwin


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bush; education; healthcare; immigration; jondougherty; ministry; plunder; socialsecurity; southernborder; tancredo; temporaryworkers; treason; ussecurity; whatkindofministry
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To: Theodore R.
Chuck must be the "white sheep" of the Baldwin family:)

Ten percent of Mexico's population here, an least 3/4ths illegally. This is intolerable. We should at least get 10% of Pemex profits to defray their financial burden.

After thinking on this for several days I've decided to stand with those who will write in Tancredo. He really doesn't want the job, thus making him the best qualfied for it.
America is dying by increments with the One-World policies pushed since George the First. If our representatives would have represented us during those years we would all be enjoying a higher standard of living.
21 posted on 01/08/2004 5:02:37 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Has anyone gone out and come back as an alien yet? It's the new path to success.)
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To: Dr. Marten
Have you had a chance to read Rush's commentary on the subject? I would be interested in your reaction to his take on it.
22 posted on 01/08/2004 5:05:23 PM PST by hobson
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To: Theodore R.; Admin Moderator
Quoting from the article you posted: "Beyond that, the reason President Bush is attempting to legalize millions of illegal Mexicans seems nothing at all but an undisguised ploy to pick up votes for his reelection. Therefore, it should be obvious to all Americans that this president is willing and eager to put America's future largely in the hands of foreign criminals. Every American should give that thought serious deliberation!"

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How any responsible conservative could make such accusation is beyond me. Which leads me to conclude that this was NOT written by a responsible conservative, but someone who is a useful idiots for the Democrats, using the immigration issue to try to turn conservatives against Bush, so Dean or some other Democrat -- who are REAL traitors to the US can be elected.

Disagreeing with Bush's actions is one thing.

But ascribing ulterior motives to Bush and claiming that his actions are treasonous is beyond the pale.

Maybe moveon.org will be happy to post this article on their website.
23 posted on 01/08/2004 5:07:29 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Dr. Marten
I have got to jump in here and make a couple of points that people intent on jumping off the cliff are forgetting.

1)It's a proposal. A starting point of the debate, which we desperately need to have.

2)This proposal is not likely to pass this year, if ever.

3) If a bill dealing with immigration ever does emerge from Congress, you can bet there will be a lot of changes and it will not closely resemble this opening proposal. It may emerge better, or worse. The only way for it to get worse is for Democrats to gain control of Congress and the WH.

I am not saying Bush shouldn't be taken to task for some of what's here. But we all know that Bush is pretty adept at strategery.

24 posted on 01/08/2004 5:09:17 PM PST by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: Dr. Marten
Reagan's amnesty, granted in 1986, legalized 2.7 million immigrants.

Dang, all our conservative heros are traitors! /sarcasm

Some facts about immigrants.

  1. The total number of immigrants per year (including illegal and refugees) is somewhat less than it was in the peak years at the start of the 20th century, when the US population was less half as large its current population. The rate of immigration relative to the population is low rather than high. Immigration as a proportion of population is about a third of what is was in the peak years in the early part of the 20th century..
  2. In the early part to of the 20th century (1910-1920) the major debate in politics was that immigrants form southern Europe were going to destroy this country.  Those sneaky "I"talians and the dirty Irishman would bring this country to ruination. It seems the hatred has shifted to immigrants from Mexico?
  3. The U.S. government has forecast a shortage of 20 million workers by 2026 due to the aging baby boom and job growth.  Under the conditions that we now confront, we should be very carefully focused on the contribution which skilled people from abroad, (as well as) unskilled people from abroad, can contribute to this country, as they have for generation after generation.
  4. By the year 2050 according to Census projections racial and ethnic minorities will outnumber non-Hispanic whites. In the next fifty years this demographic shift will transform politics and business.  If us conservatives  lose the Hispanic vote, then we lose the nation.
  5. In the last decade hi tech professional immigrants have made extraordinary contributions to cutting edge US industries. It is estimated that almost one quarter of Silicon valley firms were established by immigrants. 
  6. Businesses founded by immigrants are a source of substantial economic and fiscal gain for U.S. citizens. Ten high-tech firms founded by immigrants (Intel, Sun Microsystems, Computer Associates, Solectron Lam Research, LSI Logic, AST Computer, Wang Laboratories, Amtel, Gupta Technologies, and Cypress Semiconductor) generated $32 billion in revenues in 2002. These and other businesses started by immigrants add at least another $29 billion to the total amount of taxes paid by immigrants.
  7. Immigrant entrepreneurs have revitalized neighborhood; from Dominicans in Manhattan's Washington Heights to Cubans in Miami's Little Havana, Hispanic immigrants have transformed their communities into thriving economically dynamic strongholds.  Of particular note is the resurgence of small business, which thirty years ago was in decay. Several researchers have suggested that immigration has encouraged the entrepreneurial drive of the total population, significantly contributing to this transformation.
  8. The average education of new immigrants has been increasing with each successive generation. The proportion of adult immigrants with 8 or fewer years of education has been decreasing and the proportion of adult immigrants with 16 years or more has been increasing. The proportion of immigrants with bachelor 's or postgraduate degrees is much higher than the proportion of the native labor force.
  9. Illegal aliens contribute about as much to the public coffers in taxes as they receive in benefits. New data suggests the undocumented pay about 46 percent as much in taxes as do natives, but use about 45 percent as much in services. A poll of the most respected economists found a consensus that both legal and illegal immigrants are beneficial economically.  However overall immigrants fare well in terms of income with adult, foreign-born, naturalized citizens actually have higher adjusted gross incomes (averaging $40,502) than families with U.S.-born citizens only ($35,249).  There goes the low wage myth.
  10. Most immigrants arrive in the United States in the prime of their working years. More than 70 percent of immigrants are over the age of 18 when they arrive in the United States. That means there are roughly 17.5 million immigrants in the United States today whose education and upbringing were paid for by the citizens of the sending country, not American taxpayers. The windfall to the United States of obtaining this human capital at no expense to American taxpayers is roughly $1.43 trillion. This makes immigrants a fiscal bargain for our country.
  11. Everyone knows the contribution of immigrants to the world war II effort and history. We would have lost World War II without an immigrant contribution.  Albert Einstein and his little Atomic Bomb, Welding Technology (we a stole two of these scientist from a German prison camp in France) that was required to build our war machine, A. Edward Teller the Manhattan project, B. Enrico Fermi he was instrumental in creating the first controlled nuclear fission chain reaction, A. Felix Frankfurter he served on the Supreme Court of the U.S. for 23 years, B. Andrew Carnegie eventually controlling 25% of American iron and steel production, C. Thomas Mann was one of the most acclaimed novelists of the 20th Century, ect...
  12. According to the most comprehensive study ever done on immigrants, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) found that in all their combined roles, immigrants make indispensable contributions to our economy. They compose an increasingly essential proportion of our workforce. Through their tax payments, they help finance the costs of schools, health care, roads, welfare payments, Social Security, and the nation’s defense.
  13. New immigrants are more concentrated than natives in the youthful labor force ages when people contribute more to the public coffer than they draw from it. Of all the important facts about immigration relevant to its economic effects, this is the most important and the one which is most consistent." (Cato Institute and National Immigration Forum).  Of particular note is the resurgence of small business, which thirty years ago was in decay. Several researchers have suggested that immigration has encouraged the entrepreneurial drive of the total population, significantly contributing to this transformation.
     

25 posted on 01/08/2004 5:11:41 PM PST by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: Theodore R.; Admin Moderator
I went to the website of this Chuck Baldwin person, who wrote this article -- he is clearly a Bush hater, and has been all along. Check out his "Bush record", wehre he doesn't include a single positive thing Bush has done -- and even his worst enemies have to admit he has done great things from his accomplishments in the war on terror, to taxcuts and getting the economy going. This Chuck character is agitating conservatives against Bush and has been doing it all along.

Just so people know where he is coming from.
26 posted on 01/08/2004 5:14:51 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Theodore R.
Therefore, it should be obvious to all Americans that this president is willing and eager to put America's future largely in the hands of foreign criminals.

This kind of way over-the-top vitriol and mindless stupidity is no different that what moveon.org and the DU types say and do. I have never heard Chuck Baldwin's program since (as far as I know) it isn't on in the L.A. area. Now I will make a point of NEVER tuning it in even if the opportunity presents itself.

27 posted on 01/08/2004 5:15:11 PM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: hobson
Haven't read it yet, but I'll try to give it a shot when I get some free time in this semester.
28 posted on 01/08/2004 5:17:45 PM PST by Dr. Marten ("My affections are first for my own country,and then, generally, for all mankind" ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: FairOpinion
I agree somewhat. While Bush's plan, if enacted, would cause quite a disaster and the elimination of the middle class, for it to be treason that would have to be Bush's motive. Call me naive but I see it as more likely that he's very badly mistaken rather than harboring an outward hatred for this country.
29 posted on 01/08/2004 5:18:44 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Zipporah
Bush swore an oath to uphold the laws of the United States and our Constitution. Failing to uphold the law, and direct others to not uphold the law is dereliction of duty and treason.

The whole illegal worker issue is money driven. The powers that be have discovered an untapped source of billions of dollars of revenue that voters are not as likely to resist. Unlike being faced with a tax increase, taking "revenue" from illegal workers would be more justified since the illegal workers are violating the law anyhow.

In this sick and twisted concept, Able bodied Americans who recieve welfare continue to recieve public "grants" instead of being forced to take the jobs that "no Americans want". The illegals are hunger driven. Freeloading Americans need to know hunger again. Filling those jobs with hungry Americans will dry up the opportunity and the incentive for illegals to seek work in America. Prosecuting employers who violate the law by harboring illegal immigrants will further close the incentive of multilevel law violations.

Pandering for votes from a dependent populace only strengthens the resolve to propagate dependency, which equates into control and political power. Overlooking illegal immigration is a serious flaw in the war on terrorism.
30 posted on 01/08/2004 5:22:04 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Trust but Verify
Unfortunately, these days there is no such thing as putting out a proposal and having a "debate" on the subject. Just look at the vitriolic reactions from the Democrats (as well as conservatives). TREASON? What the hell, let's each one of us try to outshout the other and be more outrageous than the one before. This is what the term "national debate" has been reduced to. Welcome to the new America of two minute shouting matches on CNN or Fox.

I think I'll tune out...

31 posted on 01/08/2004 5:39:46 PM PST by Russ
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To: Theodore R.
TREASON!.....

Its worse than treason... anybody can get away with treason in the US these days... what it is ,,"IS".. a democrat voter registration campaign.. Bush is a very special republican to do that... a unite'er not a divider and a compassionate "conservative... -AND- the republican party may even survive it.. albeit not as it was before.. but don't quote me on that

32 posted on 01/08/2004 5:44:24 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: Russ
Yep. I don't know which side is more ridiculous anymore.
33 posted on 01/08/2004 5:44:43 PM PST by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: FairOpinion
I'm thinking Chuckie must be related to Alec. Here's a link to Baldwin's version of the Bush record: http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/bushrecord.html
34 posted on 01/08/2004 6:10:28 PM PST by elli1
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To: elli1
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/bushrecord.html
35 posted on 01/08/2004 6:11:05 PM PST by elli1
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To: FairOpinion
I went to the website of this Chuck Baldwin person, who wrote this article -- he is clearly a Bush hater, and has been all along.

According to the way history is playing out here, this guy could be considered a visionary.

36 posted on 01/08/2004 6:15:08 PM PST by eskimo
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To: Theodore R.
Do guidelines allow one to say "Chuck U. Farley" in a post?
37 posted on 01/08/2004 6:34:27 PM PST by zook
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To: breakem
Yes, MX has 80 to 100 million people, and if there are 8 to 10 million illegals, that is 10 percent of the Mexico population.
38 posted on 01/08/2004 6:39:06 PM PST by Theodore R. (When will they ever learn?)
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To: elli1
This Chuck Baldwin is unrelated to the Baldwin actor brothers. He is based in Pensacola and was formerly the head of the FL Moral Majority. He strongly opposed Clinton, and now he strongly opposes Bush. In that regard he is a little like the late Joseph McCarthy, who (rightly or wrongly) opposed both Truman and Eisenhower for "coddling" communists.
39 posted on 01/08/2004 6:41:24 PM PST by Theodore R. (When will they ever learn?)
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To: Theodore R.
bump
40 posted on 01/08/2004 6:41:24 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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