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Couple demands halt to neighbor's smoking
Akron Beacon Journal ^ | 1/23/04 | Phil Trexler

Posted on 01/24/2004 9:17:05 AM PST by mylife

Couple demands halt to neighbor's smoking Restraining order sought over nuisance to health By Phil Trexler Beacon Journal staff writer

Robert Zangrando has had it up to his chest, nose and eyes with his neighbor's smoking and he's taking her to court to get her to quit.

Zangrando, a retired University of Akron history professor who lives in Stow, was in Summit County court Thursday with his wife and lawyer.

Together they are seeking a restraining order against his next-door neighbor, Nicole Kuder, 28, that would prohibit her from smoking outdoors within 30 feet of her condominium.

Zangrando, 71, and his wife, UA instructor Lisa A. Pace, contend the smoking affects their health and has become a nuisance.

Before the hearing, Kuder said, ``I have tried to accommodate them, and this is the result.''

The couple's attorney, Ed Gilbert, called the situation an emergency and wanted Common Pleas Judge Marvin Shapiro to rule immediately on the restraining order request. Shapiro declined because Kuder came to court without an attorney.

Akron attorney Tom Adgate was retained by Kuder just before the hearing and was unable to attend. Shapiro delayed ruling until the hearing resumes Tuesday with Kuder and her attorney.

Kuder and Zangrando have been neighbors in a condominium complex on Higby Drive for about two years. Their two-story units are separated only by a shared wall. They share a front porch, and a wooden fence separates their back doors.

Zangrando said his neighbor's cigarette smoking is apparent whenever he opens a window or steps outside his home. He said the fumes compromise his health, causing him to wheeze and cough.

He said he suffers from lung problems, including emphysema, and has had asthma in the past. He said the smoking is such that he is reluctant to let his dog or two cats outside.

``It hits you right away, the minute you walk out the door. It catches me, I start coughing, I know she's smoking, I can see she's smoking visually, and I can get the effects of the smoke when I inhale what should be fresh air in my own back patio,'' Zangrando told the judge.

Kuder rents the condo she and her family live in and is not permitted to smoke inside the unit. Zangrando and Pace have owned their unit since marrying in 1996.

``It's a constant reality. She's out there smoking, and I have been appealing to her since she first moved: Please, if you're going smoke, would you move away from the house because the fumes come in our house, and we no longer have discretionary use of our house,'' Zangrando told the judge.

He said he has tried for more than a year to convince Kuder to smoke elsewhere, to no avail. He said he tried to reach an agreement in October, but Kuder and her husband, who does not smoke, refused to sign.

Kuder said Zangrando wanted her to walk to a nearby parking lot to smoke. She said he snoops on her, photographs her movements and has yelled at her to ``go, kill my family'' with her cigarettes.

``I tried to be nice and go out back and compromise, but they constantly harass us,'' Kuder said outside court. ``There have been times when I've had friends over, and he comes out screaming at us. It bothers me, but at the same time, I try to be a respectful smoker.''


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: andscorpions; antismoking; eatmysmoke; gnatzi; pc; pufflist; smokingbans; stinkyrudeneighbor; wodlist; worldisanashry
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To: mylife
LOL
321 posted on 01/24/2004 12:43:27 PM PST by cyborg
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To: r9etb
The idiot's asthma is probably caused from the TWO cats and a dog he has in a CONDO and doesn't let outside!!
322 posted on 01/24/2004 12:44:26 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: r9etb
It doesn't take much to set them off. This is something I can attest to personally -- if your lungs are already "twitchy" from something else, cigarette smoke can really shut you down.

I know what you mean. I have severe asthma and I can't be around cigarette smoke. So I choose to live in a single family house with a large yard. I'm not about to take away other's freedoms on a whim.

323 posted on 01/24/2004 12:45:06 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: r9etb; LisaMalia
Here we have a guy on his OWN private property, who cannot escape the fumes from the renter next door.

Solution

You are out of this world r9etb!


324 posted on 01/24/2004 12:46:00 PM PST by Major_Risktaker (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: JoJo Gunn
You have that right, Jo Jo. Wait 'til all these people remember they're "breathing the breath of Buhdda." All the Sterile Air People are so fond of this notion that no more air is being created and, so, we are breathing the breath of the ancients and need to go to great lenghts to keep it that way. It's rather amazing these people bother to breathe at all considering the amount of carbon dioxide they're contributing to global warming. Add to this--inhaling all the exhalations of all the dread-diseased past generations and flamable methane produced by their pets excreting in their yards and one has a disaster in the making. Frankly, if I were this neighbor, I'd start a rumor that I was tubercular.
325 posted on 01/24/2004 12:46:47 PM PST by texaslil
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To: r9etb
Sorry, I just can't work up any sympathy for a group of folks who insists on doing stupid things to their own bodies, and in so doing makes things unpleasant for the rest of us, too.

Funny. That's just how I feel about people who brush their hair or use cell phones while they drive. Or any other activity that takes their attention from the road. I think permanent and irrevocable loss of driving privileges is in order for such selfishness.

326 posted on 01/24/2004 12:51:24 PM PST by TigersEye (Democrat - the abortion party - euthanasia party - disarmament party .............)
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To: r9etb
"Let us be quite clear: your "free market solution" is to demand that the guy bear the costs for the activities of his neighbor"

I have a history of respiratory infections and have had asthma attacks. I am also sensitive to chemical pollutants. I don't like using air conditioning or heat unless absolutely necessary, preferring fresh air, not to mention keeping the bills down, and live in a climate where neither is really needed much of the year. Problem is, there is a paper mill on the south side of town and many times, when the wind is right, the smell, along with whatever toxic chemicals may be in the air, gets to be overwhelming and it is just about impossible to breathe and I have to close the windows and turn on the AC. And all this time I didn't realize that what I really should be doing is suing the paper mill for posing a threat to my health and causing my electric bill to skyrocket.

The point is, unless you are independently wealthy, anywhere you live is going to come with things you don't like and are not necessarily healthy. You choose the trade offs. If later you decide you can't handle it, you move. You don't impose your will on everybody else.

327 posted on 01/24/2004 12:52:17 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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To: r9etb
Frankly, it's outside, so the anti-smoker is being an a$$. At his age, he'll be dead soon, anyway, form something else. The old dude needs to get a life and an air filter.
328 posted on 01/24/2004 12:53:04 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: texaslil
Wait 'til all these people remember they're "breathing the breath of Buhdda." All the Sterile Air People are so fond of this notion that no more air is being created and, so, we are breathing the breath of the ancients and need to go to great lenghts to keep it that way.

So whats with the all the incense?

329 posted on 01/24/2004 12:54:07 PM PST by mylife
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To: ml/nj
"I recommend suicide for the complainant."

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330 posted on 01/24/2004 12:55:20 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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To: Dog Gone
"Think I should sue?"

That's a loaded question given some of the control freaks on this thread.

331 posted on 01/24/2004 12:57:01 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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To: templar; Dog Gone; yall
Dog Gone wrote:
"Since I have no legal recourse, I can either deal with the annoyance or move somewhere else. Just like this retired professor."

As an attorney, I would think that you would be aware that whether or not the retired professor has legal recourse has yet to be determined by the court.

The court shouldn't have let the case be heard.. Smoking is allowed on the condos common grounds.

The court may find in favor of the plaintiff, the defendant, or (probably less likely) simply dismiss the case on either legal or jusisdictional grounds. Laws regarding smoking and so called 'smokers rights' are in a state of change. Hopefully, the losing party will take it through the appellate process and get a valid legal precedent, no matter who wins.

You are encouraging a scofflaw, [the nutty professor] and his slimball legal advocate to harrass an innocent neighbor through our totally corrupted 'legal' system..
For shame. -- This is not conservatism.
My reply to 'etb' at # 198:

"-- Their two-story units are separated only by a shared wall. They share a front porch, and a wooden fence separates their back doors. Here we have a guy on his OWN private property, who cannot escape the fumes from the renter next door."
64 -r9etb-

Only the interior of his condo is the guys "OWN private property".. -- Under the associatons rules, the rest of the surrounding condo property is owned in common.
Apparently the associations rules allow smoking in/about the complex.. -- Thus the nutty professor has no legal leg to stand on.. He bought into the condo fully aware that his neighbors could smoke him out..

Case closed..

332 posted on 01/24/2004 12:57:44 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 3)
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To: mylife
Just saying, all these people are so paranoid of breathing anything, we need keep putting the ball in their court. They seem to think they own the air.
333 posted on 01/24/2004 1:00:30 PM PST by texaslil
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To: cajun-jack
Please share some complaints he has called in..I would love to hear them. I have very nice neighbors and we all keep a "comfortable" distance but we do look out for one another. However one about 4 houses recently got a rooster and there direct neighbors have really had it. I do not know if anyone has called the cops yet but its going to explode. FYI the neighbor with rooster while nice knows the rooster is against code.
334 posted on 01/24/2004 1:00:41 PM PST by alisasny (Thankyou to all who made 12/28 party so wonderful in NYC)
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To: not_apathetic_anymore
"Can one make a rental decision based on smoking criterion?"

While I don't agree that it's right, I think it probably falls under the same premise as being able to exclude children, pets, waterbeds, etc.

335 posted on 01/24/2004 1:01:00 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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To: alisasny
I was renting a place in AZ on a few acres. Id leave for work when it was dark and return when it was dark.

I got time off at thanksgiving and by the light of day found a nieghbor had build a horse coral on the back property!
What rights did I have as a renter? Zero!
I Informed the landlord who was in hawaii for a few years(I think the horse guy knew it and was gonna use squatters rights)then I told the nieghbor I was planning on planting oleader(very Deadly) beside the coral.

He moved it
336 posted on 01/24/2004 1:10:11 PM PST by mylife
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To: NYCVirago
bump for later!
337 posted on 01/24/2004 1:13:38 PM PST by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: kimmie7
why on earth would you buy a home where you can control what happens on the other side of the wall

Correction: should be "where you can't control..."

338 posted on 01/24/2004 1:15:54 PM PST by kimmie7 ("Cleaning with the kids at home is like shoveling during a snowstorm." -- Phyllis Diller)
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To: r9etb
Then you better move....
339 posted on 01/24/2004 1:16:01 PM PST by Hotdog
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To: joyce11111
Don't go outside...really thats what they make mask for...to filter the air and voice!
340 posted on 01/24/2004 1:17:38 PM PST by Hotdog
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